Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Lequack]

What a spectacular ride today, big kudos. And he's so close to the podium too!

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

LottoNL really made a golden transfer with him. Holy ***

And he's not in a bad place when he stays. Kruijswijk is obviously still good. Tolhoek was surprising. Bouwman is also getting stronger. Gesink, while not that good anymore, can still survive and pull a lot.

 

[Red Rick]

Re:

LottoNL really made a golden transfer with him. Holy ****

And he's not in a bad place when he stays. Kruijswijk is obviously still good. Tolhoek was surprising. Bouwman is also getting stronger. Gesink, while not that good anymore, can still survive and pull a lot.

Yes, very.

Gesink is developing into a very solid all round domestique. He has a big engine, so he's valuable on the flatter terrains as well.

It's just a shame that he seems to lack the edge win when he gets to ride in the breakaways.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

That's what obvious with gesink. I mean he had no acceleration as GC rider. How the hell are you going to win stages? You can't grind away from these guys in escapes. Only when in a really weak break (for instance that Vuelta break).

 

[Red Rick]

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That's what obvious with gesink. I mean he had no acceleration as GC rider. How the hell are you going to win stages? You can't grind away from these guys in escapes. Only when in a really weak break (for instance that Vuelta break).

If you're just way better on a 20 minute climb it'll do, but TdF mountain breakaways are always very tough.

He's stronger as the race gets harder, but in breakaways he wastes himself trying to make it hard.

 

[DNP-Old]

Re:

LottoNL really made a golden transfer with him. Holy ****

Shows how much just a little bit of luck can make or break a team. Roglic had an agreement with Dimension Data, that didn't go through because they couldn't get the budget that was required. Jumbo then somehow stumbled upon him, but initially didn't want to do it just because he was Slovenian. Give it a 'oh well, why not?' shot, and here we are.

 

[Lequack]

Re: Re:

LottoNL really made a golden transfer with him. Holy ****

Shows how much just a little bit of luck can make or break a team. Roglic had an agreement with Dimension Data, that didn't go through because they couldn't get the budget that was required. Jumbo then somehow stumbled upon him, but initially didn't want to do it just because he was Slovenian. Give it a 'oh well, why not?' shot, and here we are.

Great story! Also here's a video oh Roglic and Kruijswik:

The day of Primoz and Steven | Team LottoNL-Jumbo (with English subtitles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZu9HOSp-ZM&feature=youtu.be

 

[JosephK]

Re: The official Primož Roglič is the new Landa thread

Great ride (again) by Roglic today. Who knows what he's got up his sleeve for Friday? And in the TT, watch out. He is a very pleasant surprise for 2018. I had expected him to be a very good one-week stage racer this year, but I doubted he could make good in a 3-week grand tour. I am happy to have been proven wrong.

 

[kiszol]

Another impressive ride by him. Very likable guy, and pretty steep progression curve here! Next year he should target the Giro perhaps, but who knows. One of the big surprises of 2018. Too bad he started as a ski jumper, what a heck of a rider could've he became otherwise!

 

[del1962]

Re:

That's what obvious with gesink. I mean he had no acceleration as GC rider. How the hell are you going to win stages? You can't grind away from these guys in escapes. Only when in a really weak break (for instance that Vuelta break).

his is guy who was able to win uphill sprint in Quebec

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

That's what obvious with gesink. I mean he had no acceleration as GC rider. How the hell are you going to win stages? You can't grind away from these guys in escapes. Only when in a really weak break (for instance that Vuelta break).

his is guy who was able to win uphill sprint in Quebec

Uphill sprint among dead riders doesn't equate to accelerating uphill.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re: Re:

That's what obvious with gesink. I mean he had no acceleration as GC rider. How the hell are you going to win stages? You can't grind away from these guys in escapes. Only when in a really weak break (for instance that Vuelta break).

his is guy who was able to win uphill sprint in Quebec

Uphill sprint among dead riders doesn't equate to accelerating uphill.

I just rewatched that finish because I’d forgotten about it. There’s no notable big acceleration, he just winds up slowly and gets every last bit of energy out. You are right, it was more about being stronger against dead riders than a powerful jump.

 

[Carols]

I'm officially In Love, the Big B*lls to take it to them uphill and the skill and panache to take it to the line in a Thrilling downhill Rampage! Primoz you've been tickling my heart all year and now you've stolen it . Join his Nibs as my favorites!

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Tour winner next year?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Amazing rider.

Is Lotto gonna bring Groenewegen next year?

 

[Blanco]

He's going to win tomorrow too...

 

[Laplaz]

What a show today Primoz! Beside Nibali he's my favorite rider right now

 

[Red Rick]

Re:

Tour winner next year?

Not with LottoNL tactics.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Come on Rogla, 2nd is yours for the taking

 

[yaco]

It actually worked well with Lotto NL Jumbo having two targets in the race - Three climbers is enough to win a GT.

 

[Lequack]

I was simply in awe watching that stage, simply amazing performance! He really made this race today. Hats off.
Chapeu to Froome as well for defending the podium, I was sure he was a goner on the climb but with a little bit of help of Bernal he clawed his way back.

Source: https://twitter.com/lecroissantbleu/status/1022898289371504640

 

[Hugo Koblet]

What a freaking boss! Incredible performance today. Next year's Tour is gonna be fun - and to the poster who raised the question: No, NL Jumbo/Lotto (what's the name anyway?) isn't gonna bring Groenewegen next year, I think.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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It actually worked well with Lotto NL Jumbo having two targets in the race - Three climbers is enough to win a GT.

Yeah, two targets, but three protected riders.

Danish commentators basically said it was 100% that Groenewegen wouldn't get selected next year and Im honestly not that sure. I think he has proven this year he is the fastest sprinter, so do you really let that guy stay home? He is also dutch. Maybe you just get home one helper and rest for Rogla. Should be the case I think. I think its too risky just put all eggs in one basket if Kruijswijk is doing the Giro + Vuelta (or Giro + Tour as a helper). Im not a fan of that - I dont think you need 7 designated helpers. Winning a few early is super valuable to any team.

I think Kruijswijk could have helped more today, he semi rode for himself Valverde style. I would have wished he would have pulled hard on Soulour instead of attacking since he was no threat anyways, but Bardet and Landa were up the road so he also raced for secondary positions which is kinda understandable.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

@Valv.Piti. Kruijswijk said this was actually the team tactic. To have Kruijswijk attack and tire Sky/other teams and then Roglic attack.

So the helping part is what he did

 

[Valv.Piti]

On some flatter part I wished he kept the tempo more up tho. Froome got 20-30 seconds back and Rogla was on the front on some of these sections. I think chances are that if Kruijswijk set Rogla up perfectly, he is going to get over Aubisque with 5-10 seconds and they aren't seeing him again and we are suddenly looking at a bigger gap.