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[Lequack]

 

[Carols]

Re: The official Primož Roglič is the new Landa thread

He will learn race nous and energy management. Today is a shame, but he will learn from this experience . Keep your head high young man, you'll be a GT winner before you're done!

 

[MuskyOurSaviour]

There's article on Slovenian newspaper where he says he thought he almost could have won the Tour this year already if the team didn't make mistakes and that Team Sky didnt win Tour in their first year, things to be improved

 

[hazaran]

First thing to improve: don't drop a minute on that piss up of a climb La Rosiere

Win the Tour :lol:

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Yeah that's kinda rich. They did a bad TTT but aside from that Roglic himself got himself dropped in echelons a few times because he was not attentive.
He also got dropped on La Rosiere because he was not good enough. And dropped again on Alpe because he was not good enough. And lost another minute in the time trial because he was not good enough.

That is no shame, and considering it's his 2nd Tour there's a lot of room for improvement. But blaming the team seems kinda out of style?

 

[huge]

I must admit that his performance today was a real (bad) surprise. I did not see him losing so much time. On the contrary, I was expecting him to easily hold Froome back. Shame.

 

[Lequack]

Yeah I am guessing he was really feeling yesterday's ride in his legs. Still a good result though, would be worse if he' missed the podium by 1 second like Landa did last year I think.

 

[kiszol]

He was very tired today. Interesting as he seemed to be the strongest guy yesterday. But well, ITT is a different kind of race.
He did some good TTs this year but anyway I was thinking maybe his superb ITT skills weakened a little bit with him concentrating this much on climbing to become a GT contender? Maybe we have to wait till the WC to find out.

His performance in the Tour was very good nevertheless and he can be proud of this result. Next year with a better team he will be a podium contender, maybe even for the first place. Unless he chooses the Giro ofc.

 

[Leinster]

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Yeah that's kinda rich. They did a bad TTT but aside from that Roglic himself got himself dropped in echelons a few times because he was not attentive.
He also got dropped on La Rosiere because he was not good enough. And dropped again on Alpe because he was not good enough. And lost another minute in the time trial because he was not good enough.

That is no shame, and considering it's his 2nd Tour there's a lot of room for improvement. But blaming the team seems kinda out of style?

On the echelons, there's probably a little bit either way there; it's the team's job to keep him out of trouble, and both he and Kruiswijk got caught out, suggesting it wasn't just a personal error on his part.

And it's not often I agree with Bob Roll, but I thought he made a good point that Roglic might need to do a bit of work on position and tech with "his team's bike sponsor." Bianchi's innovations seem to be limited to a stiffer, more aero shade of celeste. 2'30 lost over less than 70km of ITT/TTT is too big a chunk for a team with GC ambitions in a TDF.

 

[BullsFan22]

Re: The official Primož Roglič is the new Landa thread

Feel sorry for him that he missed out on the podium, but fourth in a GT where you fight for the GC for the very first time in a GT is excellent. He probably did tire himself out during yesterday's stage, but he had to do something to get on the podium or at least be in contention before today's ITT. He did that brilliantly, gaining almost 20 seconds on a hard charging, strong group and winning the stage. If he hadn't attacked yesterday, he probably wouldn't have won the stage, and who is to say he wouldn't have lost time to the top three guys today, regardless of yesterday's result? He may have had nothing from yesterday's stage and still lost his position today. That leaves him with no stage and no podium. At least he has a stage.

I reckon with a bit more experience in GT's and a stronger team he can challenge for a win, not just a podium. Kruiswijk should have done more to help Roglic out, certainly in the last couple key stages. His attacks yesterday may have softened things up but he seemed to be riding for himself, not for his teammate who had a much better shot at the podium.

Also think that if Roglic goes for the Giro next year, he'd have a better chance at a win. It's two months before, the weather is still cool (which he likes, from what I've read) and he traditionally does very well during the springtime. If I was his team manager I'd take a look at the Giro.

 

[SafeBet]

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Yeah that's kinda rich. They did a bad TTT but aside from that Roglic himself got himself dropped in echelons a few times because he was not attentive.
He also got dropped on La Rosiere because he was not good enough. And dropped again on Alpe because he was not good enough. And lost another minute in the time trial because he was not good enough.

That is no shame, and considering it's his 2nd Tour there's a lot of room for improvement. But blaming the team seems kinda out of style?

And he lost only 13 seconds on Alpe because of tactical games in front of him and Nibali dragging him to the finish after the crash.

Lotto was great. I only question the tactics in stage 19, but overall an amazing team performance.

 

[Lequack]

Apparently he's also riding the San Sebastian classic on Saturday.

 

[Carols]

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Apparently he's also riding the San Sebastian classic on Saturday.

We'll see how he does at one day classics!

 

[hayneplane]

He is a bit lucky that getting dropped in echelons happened before the mountains and other teams discovering just how strong a threat he would prove to be. With hindsight the teams the right side of the break would have collaborated more to bury his chances.

 

[BullsFan22]

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He is a bit lucky that getting dropped in echelons happened before the mountains and other teams discovering just how strong a threat he would prove to be. With hindsight the teams the right side of the break would have collaborated more to bury his chances.

Plus hitching a ride with Nibali on the second half of Alpe D'Huez was key to his later chances in the tour. Had he ridden solo, he wouldn't have gotten that close to contention in the stage. It kept him in the thick of things in both the stage and the overall.

 

[BullsFan22]

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Apparently he's also riding the San Sebastian classic on Saturday.

We'll see how he does at one day classics!

That type of course should suit him well. The problem is, as is for all the others that rode the tour, fatigue. If he can recover enough, he can be a player, for sure.

 

[Leinster]

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Apparently he's also riding the San Sebastian classic on Saturday.

We'll see how he does at one day classics!

That type of course should suit him well. The problem is, as is for all the others that rode the tour, fatigue. If he can recover enough, he can be a player, for sure.

Isn't the winner of CSS, more often than not, straight from the Tour? And usually a good ride at it, too?

 

[johnymax]

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Apparently he's also riding the San Sebastian classic on Saturday.

We'll see how he does at one day classics!

That type of course should suit him well. The problem is, as is for all the others that rode the tour, fatigue. If he can recover enough, he can be a player, for sure.

Isn't the winner of CSS, more often than not, straight from the Tour? And usually a good ride at it, too?

Yes. Usually the best riders in CSS are those who finish strongly the Tour and Roglic is certainly one of them. He said in a post Tour interview that he honestly doesn't even feel that tired and said that last year he was feeling way worse after the Tour. Last year he finished in the first chasing group (sprinting for 7th place) and this year he is riding on a whole new level. I'd be surprised if he doesn't fight for the victory there. He should be considered among the top favourites, maybe only behind Alaphilippe and Valverde.

 

[johnymax]

Also he didn't blame the team. It was taken out of context. He only said that is crazy to think that if you exclude the TTT he was actually with a chance of winning the Tour already this year and that in the future they'll need to do a better job in TTTs if they want to be serious about threatening Sky. Also the reporter's question was about the time loss in the TTT. It's true that he said something about team's equipment and technology being out of date or something like that and that's one area more where they need to take a step forward.

 

[Lequack]

Something nice posted by Lotto, a half hour documentary about Primoz. I think it was made by some Dutch television, but it's got English subtitles

Here is the link, The Roglic story: from Telemark to Tour Glory | Team LottoNL-Jumbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwyzXfwdw04

 

[Lequack]

He got quite a reception in his home country after returning from the Tour:

Chilling with the President of Slovenia:

 

[Laplaz]

So he is not doing the Vuelta. Someone knows his programm for the rest of the season?

 

[Lequack]

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So he is not doing the Vuelta. Someone knows his programm for the rest of the season?

All I know is he's going to the Worlds, not much else on the calendar I don't think.

 

[Derry]

Re: The official Primož Roglič is the new Landa thread

Probably Tour of Britain.

 

[Lequack]

Could be. But he could've really animated the Vuelta had he gone for it, with a weak Sky and without Dumoulin. But I guess that would be pushing it a bit, since the Tour was his first time going for GC.