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[CyclistAbi]

Be interesting to see if UAE change tactics next year.

What options do they have?

 

[Rob5091]

What options do they have?

How about not riding at the front and let Bora or Visma do the leg work? Or go all in and have Yates, Almeida and Ayuso try to set Pogacar up? Or sit on Roglics wheel instead of him doing that to Pogacar?

 

[tobydawq]

How about not riding at the front and let Bora or Visma do the leg work? Or go all in and have Yates, Almeida and Ayuso try to set Pogacar up? Or sit on Roglics wheel instead of him doing that to Pogacar?

Are you talking specifically of the San Luca climb? Which will not host a stage finish?

 

[Peter von]

How about not riding at the front and let Bora or Visma do the leg work? Or go all in and have Yates, Almeida and Ayuso try to set Pogacar up? Or sit on Roglics wheel instead of him doing that to Pogacar?

Yeah. Leaving all the leg work for Visma-LAB seems like a decent idea, also means it's easier for them to race with 3 secondary GC options if they only need doms in case Pogi manages to thoroughly spank Jonas and have a big lead to defend.

poor Nils Politt if they take the yellow early on, having to do all the donkey work until Vis decides things are too slow 80-50 k from finish line.

But it is the best response to Vismas strategy of harder race = JOnas win. Then we don't lift a finger to add to that pressure, let you guys kill yourself for 2 weeks and see if you can maintain the pressure in the third.

However it is also a very non-Pogi way of riding

And what will Bora do?
will they ride hard to show support for Rogla or are they going to keep their powder dry in case they need it later?

 

[Elos Anjos]

The sight of the absurd that is riding with a jersey from a team and a helmet from another fogged one very important thing.

Daniel Martinez is in BORA! I forgot about that. Martinez is a bit like Sepp Kuss. If not for him, Bernal wouldn't have won Giro while getting 5th with the same time as my boy Almeida. But he fails when being the main GT contender. He's a real talent and will prove to be very valuable to Roglic.

 

[Rob5091]

Are you talking specifically of the San Luca climb? Which will not host a stage finish?

Stage 2 goes over the climb twice and finishes on the descent in Bologna, so technically not an exact copy of dell' Emilia.

 

[Berniece]

The sight of the absurd that is riding with a jersey from a team and a helmet from another fogged one very important thing.

Daniel Martinez is in BORA! I forgot about that. Martinez is a bit like Sepp Kuss. If not for him, Bernal wouldn't have won Giro while getting 5th with the same time as my boy Almeida. But he fails when being the main GT contender. He's a real talent and will prove to be very valuable to Roglic.

He has to fulfil the same role, but you can't seriously mean that Daniel Martinez is as good as Kuss?

 

[Elos Anjos]

He has to fulfil the same role, but you can't seriously mean that Daniel Martinez is as good as Kuss?

Jumbo optimized Kuss to be a GT top class helper until his humble demeanor lagged behind what his legs showed.

INEOS never placed Martinez in that super-domestique role. I don't know if Martinez is as good as Kuss. But reaching 5th while working for others in a GT is something that Kuss never achieved.

 

[Berniece]

Jumbo optimized Kuss to be a GT top class helper until his humble demeanor lagged behind what his legs showed.

INEOS never places Martinez in that super-domestique role. I don't know if Martinez is as good as Kuss. But reaching 5th while working for others in a GT is something that Kuss never achieved.

Because they have a different approach to helping. Kuss goes all out, and then peddles in slowly to save energy for the next day.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Because they have a different approach to helping. Kuss goes all out, and then peddles in slowly to save energy for the next day.

Kuss clearly went for GC during the 2023 Tour. Was ranked 6th or so before his first crash.

 

[Berniece]

Kuss clearly went for GC during the 2023 Tour. Was ranked 6th or so before his first crash.

That's true, I was thinking about the Giro, where he finished 14th. But maybe I'm just mistaking about his efforts once his work is done for the leader. Nevertheless I see him as a bigger force to be reckoned with than Martinez.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Or go all in and have Yates, Almeida and Ayuso try to set Pogacar up?

This didn't work. Although as @tobydawq suggested the same climb won't be involved.

How about not riding at the front and let Bora or Visma do the leg work?

This young guys can't help themself. Misters 80k and up.

Or sit on Roglics wheel instead of him doing that to Pogacar?

Pogi indeed won one Tour riding like that. But as said the code of mister 80k and up doesn't allow for it.

But all in all why am i even doing that? Discussing on how to beat Rogla. Hell no. Just beat them all Rogla, fair and square. They do deserve it.

 

[CyclistAbi]

On a bit unrelated note. Rogličes father said, at the sportsman of the year award, Rogla finished second, behind Pogi, that Rogla is feeling rather well at Bora. No big difference so far, compared to JV. So that is something in my opinion that is good to hear. For the adaptation to the new team going good so far.

 

[Froome]

Pogacar attempting the double must have been good news for Roglic.

Now roglic has more chances of doing podium.

 

[Froome]

Kuss is the fourth/fifth best climber in the world, it's "disrespectful" , comparing him with daniel martinez.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Martinez has proved that he can be (almost) as good as Kuss on his best days, but he hasn't had one of those in a GT for 2.5 years now.

 

[Oldermanish]

Jumbo optimized Kuss to be a GT top class helper until his humble demeanor lagged behind what his legs showed.

INEOS never placed Martinez in that super-domestique role. I don't know if Martinez is as good as Kuss. But reaching 5th while working for others in a GT is something that Kuss never achieved.

Martinez certainly had a say in how he worked at Ineos. How he pans out at Bora depends on the rest of the team, too so it's a bit early to relegate him to domestique status. Bora will need more than one GT threat to dislodge JV's #1.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Bora will need more than one GT threat to dislodge JV's #1.

Bora doesn't have to do it alone.

 

[Oldermanish]

Bora doesn't have to do it alone.

Possibly but we're guessing way early on which team's chemistry will be impressive enough to pose a real challenge.
JV can be counted on to bring more power than the others, though. Adding Mateo Jorgenson will allow for more WVA freedom.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Kuss is the fourth/fifth best climber in the world, it's "disrespectful" , comparing him with daniel martinez.

Best to wait and see. Kuss likely considered too good now indeed. For only focusing on the support role. And considering he is free to leave at the end of 2024 season. Martínez, hard to say. When he was at his best, as a support rider, that was marvellous. Still who knows on how he will play it at Bora. Proven potential for sure is there. We'll see.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Possibly but we're guessing way early on which team's chemistry will be impressive enough to pose a real challenge.
JV can be counted on to bring more power than the others, though. Adding Mateo Jorgenson will allow for more WVA freedom.

But realistically Visma only has Jonas now. And a GT double is something that hasn't happened for years. It's not unreasonable to expect 0 GTs in the 2024 season for Visma. Obviously they could win 3 also. Just as in the 2023 season. I just find that less likely.

 

[Froome]

But realistically Visma only has Jonas now. And a GT double is something that hasn't happened for years. It's not unreasonable to expect 0 GTs in the 2024 season for Visma. Obviously they could win 3 also. Just as in the 2023 season. I just find that less likely.

Only Jonas? It's a lot only having Jonas vingegaard, but they don’t have only Jonas vingegaard, they have vingegaard, kuss, van aert, jorgenson, uijdtbroeks, kelderman, van baarle,Kooij,Kruijswijk, laporte, vallter, young guys like hagenes, gloag, staune millet.

They have the best roster in the world tour.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Only Jonas? It's a lot only having Jonas vingegaard, but they don’t have only Jonas vingegaard, they have vingegaard, kuss, van aert, jorgenson, uijdtbroeks, kelderman, van baarle,Kooij,Kruijswijk, laporte, vallter, young guys like hagenes, gloag, staune millet.

They have the best roster in the world tour.

To (maybe) win one GT per year, indeed. We'll see.

 

[bNator]

Kuss is the fourth/fifth best climber in the world, it's "disrespectful" , comparing him with daniel martinez.

Interesting observation generated by the same fingers, that are responsible for some of the most disrespectful statements on this board regarding some of the riders in current peloton...

 

[Froome]

Interesting observation generated by the same fingers, that are responsible for some of the most disrespectful statements on this board regarding some of the riders in current peloton...

Don't confuse uncomfortable truths with disrespectful statements. You need to tell what did you consider a disrespectful statement, to answer more specifically to you.