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CyclistAbi

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Cycling111 said:
They gave Vingegaard Vélo d'Or for the Tour, but in 2020 they didn't give it to Pogacar for winning the Tour :sweatsmile:

There's no a specific criteria por Vélo d'Or. They're journalist subjetive votes.
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So, indeed, another stage/GT GC contender got it, not the one winning the Tour. Indicating winning the Tour after all can sometimes be considered less, compared to other stage racing achievements in the ongoing season. Furthermore you can pretty much win everything in "classics", but you highly likely won't get it if some stage/GT GC specialists has a reasonably good season.
 
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That’s just the nature of the sport. Usain Bolt would get demolished by distance runners in the 5,000 meters, but athletes don’t do all the different events even though they’re in the same sport. In road cycling the same riders ride the full range of races, including some that don’t suit them as well.
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The only other sport I can think of like that is swimming -- except for distance freestyle and a few specialists in backstroke or breast, you have a fair number of stars who can do it all.
 
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Well, Roglic could also just turn up to Flanders and Roubaix. It would also be funny as hell to see him get dropped on something infinitely softer than some „soft cols“, a flat road. If Van der Poel can finish Top 60 in the Tour then Roglič should also be able to finish Top 60 in Roubaix. I guess if he did Roubaix and the 1% chance that his collarbone stays intact occured, he could get a better result than that, but don‘t say your rider is so much better just because he doesn‘t ride the races that don‘t suit him. I‘d estimate Van der Poel could win a 1v1 race against Roglič on over 90% of roads in the world, just because it‘s easier to drop someone uphill that doesn‘t mean that uphill is all that counts.
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Roglic will surprise a few and himself if he do Flanders, the outcome will be either crash or a top 10 (and no podium or top 5 due to the 260 km course).

You only have to look at how he's historically performed on circuits with successive 2- to 3-minute "walls" (sometimes with sort kind of cobbles in it) to know that he'd adapt quite good physically to those races; the problem would be purely one of technique and positioning.

And in Roubaix, seeing how he performed in 2022 at Denain, a top-10 finish wouldn't surprise me at all.

We'll never see it because he's grown as a cyclist with Jumbo's limiting mentality in that regard, and he probably doesn't know what he's capable of in some areas.
 
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pablohidalgo7 said:
Roglic will surprise a few and himself if he do Flanders, the outcome will be either crash or a top 10 (and no podium or top 5 due to the 260 km course).

You only have to look at how he's historically performed on circuits with successive 2- to 3-minute "walls" (sometimes with sort kind of cobbles in it) to know that he'd adapt quite good physically to those races; the problem would be purely one of technique and positioning.

And in Roubaix, seeing how he performed in 2022 at Denain, a top-10 finish wouldn't surprise me at all.

We'll never see it because he's grown as a cyclist with Jumbo's limiting mentality in that regard, and he probably doesn't know what he's capable of in some areas.
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Wish he would at least do Fleche and LBL again, the cobbled races wouldn't gain him much other than satisfying our curiosity about how well he could do.
 
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pablohidalgo7 said:
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We'll never see it because he's grown as a cyclist with Jumbo's limiting mentality in that regard, and he probably doesn't know what he's capable of in some areas.
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It's Jumbo's fault he doesn't ride RVV and Roubaix? Interesting take...

Seems to me that it's actually a reasonable self-assessment WRT his goals, his capabilities, and the risks. More so for Roubaix than RVV. Either way, blaming a team he's no longer on seems....questionable?
 
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There could be one good reason for Roglic to race RVV, and that is just to keep an aging rider motivated by adding some novelty to his schedule and do something he hasn't done before. And if he tried I wouldn't put it past him to look good until like the Koppenberg and then collapse some time later.
 
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There could be one good reason for Roglic to race RVV, and that is just to keep an aging rider motivated by adding some novelty to his schedule and do something he hasn't done before. And if he tried I wouldn't put it past him to look good until like the Koppenberg and then collapse some time later.
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Roglic is struggling to maintain his form after the 200km in Lombardia.
In 2023, he arrived as the favorite due to his shape, and once again, he was noticeably fatigued at the decisive moment of the race due to the accumulation of kilometers.

Over 250km on cobbles?
Poor man, I think it's the worst scenario for him. Over 200km and fighting to get into sections between crashes.
With the crash problem that Roglic has often had, the worst scenario is the fight for position in the cobbles sectión with that fatigue of km.
 
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I just don't see the necessary skillset - the small things you need to do in the flemish classics - to be competitive. Would be fun if he tries it but i fear it will be more like Nibali in his farewell seasons when he isn't one of the Top GC guys. I also think the team is quite happy that Roglic doesn't semm that intrested in the monuments. With the higher crash risk there...there was a lot of talk about UAE being cautious because of Pogis Tour now think about what Red Bull would do without him...there season would be basically over in the big races.

WC and Lombardia to close the season could be still very good. Roglic is not a bad one day racer I just don't see him doing well on the cobbles. If the goal is to try it they should start with first sending him to Omloop and Dwars to get a feel for it.
 
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Filippo_3467 said:
Roglic is not a bad one day racer I just don't see him doing well on the cobbles.
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VayaVayaVaya said:
Pretty classic that Roglic rode this only in 2021 when he made the race and rabbitted Ala to the KOM. Way faster than almost every other year. Zero wins.
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It kind of makes sense to build the Red Bull train first and then at the very end maybe for Dani to initiate the punch, then for Rogla to catapult as an arrow. Likely nobody would survive that. Compared to now on where integrity of the peloton and team formations is 0 at the very start of the climb already. It's a good thing Rogla didn't descend from the mountain this year, for Flèche.
 
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Roglic doesn't seem to have the endurance for the monuments and doesn't seem to care enough about the one day races to be in absolute top form for them. When he does do races like LBL, GDL, AGR, it's sort of sad to see him languishing at the back of groups, hoping for others to close gaps for him and just generally lacking zip and any ability to make the race. I think he could still win Fleche in the right circumstances although I doubt he still has the punch he had in 2021.
 
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