Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Cycling111]

By the way, a memory to Kuss, who wasn't going to sustain three weeks of performance in a general classification because he never did And we knew Kuss much better. Del Toro has a huge margin to win given his age; we don't know if he'll make that leap in this Giro, netx year, two years or never.

In any case, Roglic can't rely on Del Toro to fail. We're not talking about a rider in his fifth or sixth year, and we know his limits better.

 

[Berniece]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924138802320167149

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Sometimes you lose, sometimes you win… thanks Primoz, great interview

 

[QueenStagiaire]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924138802320167149

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That‘s a very typical response.

 

[Rackham]

That‘s a very typical response.

He's fine btw according to the team: https://wielerrevue.nl/artikel/6415...-horrordag-primoz-is-in-orde-net-als-de-ploeg

Apparently Rog wanted to attack on today's stage as well! Good stuff. An offensive Rogla will make this race very exciting.

 

[acm]

He's fine btw according to the team: https://wielerrevue.nl/artikel/6415...-horrordag-primoz-is-in-orde-net-als-de-ploeg

Apparently Rog wanted to attack on today's stage as well! Good stuff. An offensive Rogla will make this race very exciting.

We were robbed of Rogla's Strade Bianche stage win? He's going to do Froome on Finestre isn't he...

 

[Krzysztof_O]

We were robbed of Rogla's Strade Bianche stage win? He's going to do Froome on Finestre isn't he...

Finestre stage will be epic, I can feel it in my bones...

 

[Peyroteo94]

Finestre stage will be epic, I can feel it in my bones...

Are we sure Finestre will be raced?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Are we sure Finestre will be raced?

Well, nobody knows but Finestre is good 500-600 meters lower than the highest Giro mamooths (Gavia, Stelvio), is more to the south than them and will be raced at the very end of May plus Piemont has less precipitation than Lombardy. The chances are good that the road will be passable IMO.

 

[Netserk]

Only the crazy 2013 weather can stop Finestre.

 

[red_flanders]

Sometimes you lose, sometimes you win… thanks Primoz, great interview

Interesting to hear someone say that. Sounded to me like pretty typical "say several words without saying anything" from Roglic.

Or I'm entirely missing the sarcasm...

 

[Tim Cahill]

What happened to DFM? Came 7th in Liege, rode a good tt for no real reason and hasn't been seen much since?

Feels like Denk spent all that sweet energy drink money overpaying disappointing gimmick talents like 2013 Tottenham post-Bale. He should be looking instead towards 2015 Leicester, with the brexit-style core of Wes Morgan, Huth, Drinkwater and then-unknown N'golo Kante to form a solid foundation for superstars Mahrez and Vardy.

Edward Plankaert that's who Roglic could do with. or one of those fat Norwegian blokes from UNO-X who sit there looking intimidating. The Italian kid is good but he can't do everything.

 

[Berniece]

Interesting to hear someone say that. Sounded to me like pretty typical "say several words without saying anything" from Roglic.

Or I'm entirely missing the sarcasm...

I was being sarcastic indeed. It was a typical Roglic answer.

 

[Filippo_3467]

What happened to DFM? Came 7th in Liege, rode a good tt for no real reason and hasn't been seen much since?

Feels like Denk spent all that sweet energy drink money overpaying disappointing gimmick talents like 2013 Tottenham post-Bale. He should be looking instead towards 2015 Leicester, with the brexit-style core of Wes Morgan, Huth, Drinkwater and then-unknown N'golo Kante to form a solid foundation for superstars Mahrez and Vardy.

Edward Plankaert that's who Roglic could do with. or one of those fat Norwegian blokes from UNO-X who sit there looking intimidating. The Italian kid is good but he can't do everything.

They signed a lot of riders for the classic squad and young talent that could do also a great job as GT domestiques but were never planned for this role this year because of ambitions of their own. I think the next years will be key to assess the transfers as we could give them a bit more, but at the moment and in the aggregate they did nothing with the Red Bull money that they couldn't have achieved with the great sponsors before.

 

[Red Rick]

More worried about Bora's performance team than their scouting.

 

[Gigs_98]

I'm not convinced he was that good today. I feel like if a rider is the strongest in the race and out of position due to crashes or mechanicals you can see how they push their group forward once they take a turn. Roglic never did that. Maybe he burnt too many matches in the phase right after the mechanical but considering the situation he was in he actually didn't end up spending that much time in the wind.

The thing is, I'm saying all of that and I still don't feel like he has to be particularly worried, because his supposed main rival Ayuso looked argubly even less convincing then him. There was a moment on the third sterrato section when I think Ayuso thought, this is how far his team got him, now it's time to blow up the race and have the best gc riders around him fight it out in a TTT against the gc riders around Roglic. And he just couldn't blow it up. Meanwhile Ayuso's team had 4 riders in the groups in front of Roglic and somehow couldn't create a proper gap against a group that was mostly led by Giulio Pelizzari.

I think, if his shape in the third week is on point, he should still have everyone under control except the big wildcard Del Toro. He's the one guy who might simply be out of reach now if today was an indication of how well he'll do in the high mountain stages, but I would be surprised if the 21 year old doesn't run into some trouble along the way.

 

[Red Rick]

I'm not convinced he was that good today. I feel like if a rider is the strongest in the race and out of position due to crashes or mechanicals you can see how they push their group forward once they take a turn. Roglic never did that. Maybe he burnt too many matches in the phase right after the mechanical but considering the situation he was in he actually didn't end up spending that much time in the wind.

The thing is, I'm saying all of that and I still don't feel like he has to be particularly worried, because his supposed main rival Ayuso looked argubly even less convincing then him. There was a moment on the third sterrato section when I think Ayuso thought, this is how far his team got him, now it's time to blow up the race and have the best gc riders around him fight it out in a TTT against the gc riders around Roglic. And he just couldn't blow it up. Meanwhile Ayuso's team had 4 riders in the groups in front of Roglic and somehow couldn't create a proper gap against a group that was mostly led by Giulio Pelizzari.

I think, if his shape in the third week is on point, he should still have everyone under control except the big wildcard Del Toro. He's the one guy who might simply be out of reach now if today was an indication of how well he'll do in the high mountain stages, but I would be surprised if the 21 year old doesn't run into some trouble along the way.

I think he burnt enough to try to get back to Pidcock and before that to minimize losses on a bike that wasn't working. He looked pretty comfortable before he crashed. He looked much worse to me in Troyes, and he didn't crash then.

With Del Toro, I'm sure he's a talent, but I think if UAE had training data indicating he was better than Ayuso I'd presume he would have been higher in the pecking order in races before now. So when UAE say Yates and Ayuso are the leaders before the race, I'm inclined to believe them. And this super greedy keep everyone in GC and get all the placings in stages is something they do even when Pogacar is racing.

 

[Gratemans]

With Del Toro, I'm sure he's a talent, but I think if UAE had training data indicating he was better than Ayuso I'd presume he would have been higher in the pecking order in races before now.

I'm not so sure about that.. I have a feeling Ayuso got his place in the pecking order by seniority (and perhaps demanding it). And it's not unreasonable either that they promised it to him at the start of the season.

But now this seems to have turned into a case of "put your money legs where your mouth is". Because Del Toro certainly seems stronger at the moment. Then again, can he hang on in week three? And then again, can Ayuso? If anything, we're in for some of the ususal "when-Pog-isn't-there-UAE-drama" the coming weeks.

 

[Gigs_98]

I think he burnt enough to try to get back to Pidcock and before that to minimize losses on a bike that wasn't working. He looked pretty comfortable before he crashed. He looked much worse to me in Troyes, and he didn't crash then.

With Del Toro, I'm sure he's a talent, but I think if UAE had training data indicating he was better than Ayuso I'd presume he would have been higher in the pecking order in races before now. So when UAE say Yates and Ayuso are the leaders before the race, I'm inclined to believe them. And this super greedy keep everyone in GC and get all the placings in stages is something they do even when Pogacar is racing.

I mean it's perfectly possible he is right now hitting a level he has never shown before in training, right? He's also never looked remotely this good in a race as far as I remember. I'm not saying Del Toro should be the favorite to win, but the situation right now reminds me a bit of Carapaz getting pink in 2019 and us not immediately realizing the lead was just handed to the best climber in the race. Not a perfect comparison, I'm aware of that, but I think we often overemphasize past results when trying to rate a rider who is clearly improving and has just performed better than he ever did before.

 

[CyclistAbi]

The range and the scale of the emotions, each and every time, this is just unparalleled.

GOAT!

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

I mean it's perfectly possible he is right now hitting a level he has never shown before in training, right? He's also never looked remotely this good in a race as far as I remember. I'm not saying Del Toro should be the favorite to win, but the situation right now reminds me a bit of Carapaz getting pink in 2019 and us not immediately realizing the lead was just handed to the best climber in the race. Not a perfect comparison, I'm aware of that, but I think we often overemphasize past results when trying to rate a rider who is clearly improving and has just performed better than he ever did before.

Honestly reminds me a lot of Pogacar in the 2019 Vuelta / 2020 Tour. I think this might be his big step forward. Will it be enough? Not sure. But I think there’s a decent chance he wins. He’d already proved he can TT and handle classics style stages, and when he first hit everyone’s radar it was due to his climbing. He’s very lean, so presumably light? I would think he’s the real deal but we’ll see.

 

[Red Rick]

I mean it's perfectly possible he is right now hitting a level he has never shown before in training, right? He's also never looked remotely this good in a race as far as I remember. I'm not saying Del Toro should be the favorite to win, but the situation right now reminds me a bit of Carapaz getting pink in 2019 and us not immediately realizing the lead was just handed to the best climber in the race. Not a perfect comparison, I'm aware of that, but I think we often overemphasize past results when trying to rate a rider who is clearly improving and has just performed better than he ever did before.

That's obviously possible. He's even gonna need it, because the best he's shown before is not gonna be that close to enough.

I'm just not a believer in reacting too strongly to this stage in particular, because I'm a biased boy who wants Roglic and with his cheeckbones and nonsensical interviews to win, but also because it's a stage won by a rider like Wout van Aert and because a very brief check on this years' SBs result tells me after Pogacar the next GT rider at the finish was Landa in 11th.

I think Del Toro getting 2nd on Marsia 2 days ago is more reason to be worried than today.

 

[jmdirt]

RE: "The non answer answer":

Its really a true statement if you look at it in the sense that he lost time due to a crash and a mechanical. In the days to come who know who might also lose time. He lost some today, others might lose some on another day. Its only a questionable answer because he tries to be coy too often IMO.