Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Berniece]

What I meant was there are 4 guys Roglic needs to cover at this point. I don't think he can gamble and let Yates or McNulty go and get 5 minutes on him. And I'm not sure Pellizzari can control these two guys by himself...

But Yates and McNulty are currently also a bit far behind such that other teams will help, since they have to protect their top 10 spot

 

[bNator]

But Yates and McNulty are currently also a bit far behind such that other teams will help, since they have to protect their top 10 spot

You're right, he wopuld get help of many other teams in that case. How is Bahrain, I wasn't paying attention - do they have the firepower to defend Tiberi's 3rd from McNulty/Yates?

 

[Berniece]

You're right, he wopuld get help of many other teams in that case. How is Bahrain, I wasn't paying attention - do they have the firepower to defend Tiberi's 3rd from McNulty/Yates?

I honestly don't think they are that afraid of those two. Yates maybe, but definitely not McNulty. When has he ever shown that he's able to perform well in a GT? It will be good to see stage 16, the GC will be much more clear, and I expect the UAE guys to fall out of top 10

 

[dazaau]

What i hate about him is, that he actually can't finish a GT without a fall, or even two. Just come ready and do it without falling (in Giro or Tour). Oh well.

I assure you he hates it too

And I do think he tries not to fall

 

[red_flanders]

He could have sprinted, that much is true, but still this was not a proper stomp terrain. And besides, Rogla can't win this Giro edition anymore, by sprinting.

The latter has some merit, but he also can’t win by bleeding more and more bonus seconds. The former, though, come on.

 

[Luthor]

He is clearly hurt and is buying some time. He knows he can recover 1 minute in the last week. Del Toro is gonna have a bad day eventually. His team is the problem and it's gonna be really hard to drop everyone from UAE. He is gonna need an alliance with Carapaz,Tiberi or Bernal to make Ayuso suffer.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Irrespective of whether they win this race or not, they are being played for fools if they allow Roglic the chance to ride himself into this in week 3 having barely tested him with any of their alleged 4 leaders. (Albeit Mcnulty and injured Yates don't seem realistic at this point)

 

[Red Rick]

Yesterday was always a very speculative place to attack, and it's pretty much fantasy cycling to do it there if you're in the lead with 2 riders. I understand it from a fans' perspective, and I agree with it, but there's something that makes it so that it never happens.

Wouldn't be surprised that much if Ayuso isn't feeling that great and that's why UAE are riding more defensive in the first place. And the terrain after the SPIA was just such that domestqiues getting back could always control it, so if Del Toro or Yates sneaks up the road eventually domestqiues of some team will just chase even if Roglic only has Pellizari with him, or everyone closes down everyone anyway, because it was mostly a false flat downhill.

 

[Extinction]

Irrespective of whether they win this race or not, they are being played for fools if they allow Roglic the chance to ride himself into this in week 3 having barely tested him with any of their alleged 4 leaders. (Albeit Mcnulty and injured Yates don't seem realistic at this point)

They could have held Del Toro back in the Siena stage and put 3 minutes into Rog. But the race would be much less interesting now.

 

[veganrob]

He is clearly hurt and is buying some time. He knows he can recover 1 minute in the last week. Del Toro is gonna have a bad day eventually. His team is the problem and it's gonna be really hard to drop everyone from UAE. He is gonna need an alliance with Carapaz,Tiberi or Bernal to make Ayuso suffer.

He might need more than a minute by week 3

 

[Cycling111]

Roglič can fight for podium spot on Tour. Or at least to finish it on his own terms (and without a fall). As long he can fight for podium (3rd), there is always a chance that top 2 cancel each other out (illness, fall, explosion, DNF, weather,...) and Roglič comes out on top. Chances for that are really slim, but never zero.

Obviously, when I make a prediction, I do so without taking into account an accident. Besides, Roglic has only finished one Tour since 2020 due to accidents. If we're speculating about them, he's the least likely to finish the Tour.
But I always speak without taking into account possible accidents. I don't want them.
If all of them crash and Roglic too, Almeida can win TDF this year, but without taking that variable into account, I don't count Almeida as a candidate.

There's a debate about whether Rogic is riding the Giro like this for winning the Tour. But if winning the Tour depends on other's accidents, that confirms my opinion. Roglic knows he has no chance of winning the Tour except for a DNF of two or even three riders, so what he does in the Giro doesn't depend on the Tour, he does it thinking only about winning the Giro.

And that's the intelligent thing Roglic can do. If he rides the Giro with the Tour in mind, he risks not winning any.

By the way, remember that Roglic fought for the KM Red Bull in Albania. TDF was already planned at that moment, what has changed is the situation in the Giro.

 

[Peyroteo94]

AFAIK you don't believe Rogla will finish top 5 at the Tour either. So if nothing else, Rogla can at least restore your faith, that is something too.

I voted for him to win this Giro but I was expecting Redbull to be stronger and I was expecting Roglic to have a 1 minute gap to everyone. Roglic hasn't been impressive.

 

[Divergence]

Rog is biding his time and I believe he will show who is the strongest in week 3. He just needs a little bit of help from the team with the positioning, e.g., on stage 11 before the final climb he was way back. Even if he wanted to do something he would have had to spend a bullet just to get in position and then another one to attack. That is inadvisable.
Regarding the Tour, yes it would be pretty difficult to beat Pog, but I find the comments which put Jonas and Pog in the same basket pretty misguided. Rog can certainly beat Jonas.

 

[Extinction]

Rog is biding his time and I believe he will show who is the strongest in week 3. He just needs a little bit of help from the team with the positioning, e.g., on stage 11 before the final climb he was way back. Even if he wanted to do something he would have had to spend a bullet just to get in position and then another one to attack. That is inadvisable.
Regarding the Tour, yes it would be pretty difficult to beat Pog, but I find the comments which put Jonas and Pog in the same basket pretty misguided. Rog can certainly beat Jonas.

I don't see how Rog beats Jonas if both are at 100%, as the Dane has a higher ceiling.

 

[Unchained]

He is clearly hurt and is buying some time. He knows he can recover 1 minute in the last week. Del Toro is gonna have a bad day eventually. His team is the problem and it's gonna be really hard to drop everyone from UAE. He is gonna need an alliance with Carapaz,Tiberi or Bernal to make Ayuso suffer.

It's all about what's in your 3 week bank account!! What to spend and when, Del Toro is burning watts unnecessarily staying in non protected positions multiple times today, Roglic always just rolling along spending nothing until it's absolutely needed. After 3 weeks all of these seemingly unnecessary efforts will cost Del Toro and others, he should be hiding from the wind, if Del Toro looks to his left or right, sees Pedersen, Kooij, Kanter, Groves, alarm bells, you are out of position. Del Toro should know what deodorant Roglic is using, he can't be too close to him.

 

[AmRacer]

It's all about what's in your 3 week bank account!! What to spend and when, Del Toro is burning watts unnecessarily staying in non protected positions multiple times today, Roglic always just rolling along spending nothing until it's absolutely needed. After 3 weeks all of these seemingly unnecessary efforts will cost Del Toro and others, he should be hiding from the wind, if Del Toro looks to his left or right, sees Pedersen, Kooij, Kanter, Groves, alarm bells, you are out of position. Del Toro should know what deodorant Roglic is using, he can't be too close to him.

Toro is just trying to stay ahead of Ayuso 🤣

 

[Rackham]

Del Toro is trying to coax Rog out of hibernation with his sprints and attacks. It's his job. I don't believe for one second there's some sort of issue there between Del Toro and Ayuso. I mean pull the other one right? Del Toro was clearly the plan. El plan. Le plan. The plan to bait Rog and Red Bull essentially. And I think by getting the jersey that plan has stalled.

The big UAE leader was and is Juan Ayuso.

 

[Cycling111]

Tomorrow's finish is ideal for Roglic.
If he doesn't get into the sprint, it would be a sign of weakness.

Contador finished second in that final. Roglic is the better puncheur.

Del Toro could win tomorrow.

1	GILBERT Philippe	BMC Racing Team	16	80		4:22:50
2	CONTADOR Alberto	Tinkoff - Saxo	8	50		0:03
3	ULISSI Diego	Lampre - Merida	4	35		,,
4	GESCHKE Simon	Team Giant - Alpecin	2	25		,,
5	BATTAGLIN Enrico	Bardiani - CSF Pro Team	1	18		,,
6	TIRALONGO Paolo	Astana Pro Team		15		,,
7	IZAGIRRE Ion	Movistar Team		12		0:06
8	BETANCUR Carlos	AG2R La Mondiale		10		,,
9	VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen	Lotto Soudal		8		,,
10	LANDA Mikel	Astana Pro Team		6		,,

 

[Extinction]

It's all about what's in your 3 week bank account!! What to spend and when, Del Toro is burning watts unnecessarily staying in non protected positions multiple times today, Roglic always just rolling along spending nothing until it's absolutely needed. After 3 weeks all of these seemingly unnecessary efforts will cost Del Toro and others, he should be hiding from the wind, if Del Toro looks to his left or right, sees Pedersen, Kooij, Kanter, Groves, alarm bells, you are out of position. Del Toro should know what deodorant Roglic is using, he can't be too close to him.

Although at 21 years-old you have better recovery than at 36.

 

[Unchained]

Toro is just trying to stay ahead of Ayuso 🤣

You are breaking my heart!! But likely correct!! And talk about jitters !! Look at GC, too many quality guys within striking distance!! And Carapaz playbook can work for him again and others can do same or similar. UAE on Cycling News says
" we can't cover everything " if that's true they are going to lose the race!!
Other teams have to notice that Del Toro is doing his own grunt work!!

 

[Oldman]

For Roglic have a chance at the Tour, he would've to be significantly superior to these rivals in this Giro from day 1 to day 21.

During the days he was on the Tour 2024, he was more rival of Remco than rival for Vingegaard and Pogacar.

Roglic knows this. Roglic knew that Pogacar was far superior to him, and that's why in Zurich he offered to be his domestique.

Roglic is a veteran rider. He knows that in the Tour, he's far behind the two favorites.
The decisions he is making during the Giro are due to the circumstances of the Giro, not because he's thinking about the Tour.

First, let's take last year for what it was: save for Pogacar the other riders including Primoz were recovering from injury. They were not at their best in week 1: none of them.

As for Roglic demonstrating superior finishes in all stages: he's shown he has the strength but after Hindley's exit his team rules change. It would for any other contender pursuing a sound strategy.

Roglic acknowledged Tadej's strength and was his countryman's teammate. Where's the relation to the Tour? There is none.

Being realistic Roglic would know Pogacar is definitely Numero Uno and he'd have to stay close to podium the Tour. He's riding for his best shot; not your image of Pogacar.

the Dauphine is coming up and we'll see what emerges from JV. There strengths will shape Remco and Primoz's strategy, too.

 

[Filippo_3467]

Let's face it only way he wins the Tour is if Pogacar and Vingegaard don't make it to Paris. I could see him getting 3rd though ahead of Remco.

If Pogacar crashes out I'm not sure he's beating Almeida either. That guy is just flying these days. Honestly we don't have to even talk about the Tour if he can't smoke the 2nd and 3rd Grade GC guys that are here at the Giro. Besides Ayuso there's no other in my eyes Top 10 GC guy at the start (anymore Landa crashed out obviously). Of course del toro is a wildcard like super young Pogi.

 

[Extinction]

Perhaps we're entering a new day of old time cycling when the Giro got you in the best shape for the Tour. At any rate, Roglic can't do worse than crashing out of previous Tours.

 

[AmRacer]

Perhaps we're entering a new day of old time cycling when the Giro got you in the best shape for the Tour. At any rate, Roglic can't do worse than crashing out of previous Tours.

When Rogla crashing in a GT, he wins the following GT.

 

[Extinction]

When Rogla crashing in a GT, he wins the following GT.

Well then, let's hope he crashes out of the Giro.