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[Rackham]

Pretty soon Mark Rutte will be calling him daddy.

Get some Schwarzenegger energy in there as well. Who's your daddy and what does he do? He turns his bike computer off when he wins, that's what he does.

Besides, with regards UAE and Visma, as a man somewhere once said very recently about something totally unrelated but absolutely related nevertheless, we basically have two teams that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don’t know what the f they’re doing.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

I didn't see anything I thought supported that. I thought he was quite good, maybe as good as we've seen him. And he was a bit behind Evenepoel pretty much everywhere. Didn't see Evenepoel fade, in fact maybe the opposite.

My issue is with "at minimum a podium". Sorry that's not the minimum. DNF is the minimum. 5th after that, likely 4th. We saw where folks were.

I’m curious what makes you think this. He was pretty far off even the b contenders in the first couple hilly stages that are normally his stomping grounds.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Since when does a GC rider not need proper mountain support? Especially Roglic. I can give multiple examples of him being saved by his teammates in the mountains.

I’m not sure who on Red Bull is supposed to save him in the mountains aside from Lipowitz. Kai Hindley I assume is still injured from the Giro. The only other candidate that I’m aware of is Dani Martinez, who was no bueno in the Giro.

 

[Rackham]

I’m not sure who on Red Bull is supposed to save him in the mountains aside from Lipowitz. Kai Hindley I assume is still injured from the Giro. The only other candidate that I’m aware of is Dani Martinez, who was no bueno in the Giro.

No one. And neither Jai Hindley nor his alter ego Kai were particularly great either - even before his Giro crash (their crash?).

I won't lie it's a strange team but Adria's loss of form this season is a big blow. It means they absolutely need Vlasov to come good here and be able to carry bidons in mountain stages and middle-mountain stages, or else Lipo and Rog will be resupplying themselves.

 

[Red Rick]

Get some Schwarzenegger energy in there as well. Who's your daddy and what does he do? He turns his bike computer off when he wins, that's what he does.

Besides, with regards UAE and Visma, as a man somewhere once said very recently about something totally unrelated but absolutely related nevertheless, we basically have two teams that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don’t know what the f they’re doing.

"You are Tourminated"

 

[Rackham]

"You are Tourminated"

Hasta la Visma when he drops Vinge eh.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Roglic aiming for the podium. Abi must feel betrayed since even Roglic says he is not going for the win.

The top step is part of the podium...

 

[Krzysztof_O]

There's a lot of talk about Rogla's potential DNF. But imagine something opposite happens: Pogi and Vingo crash out and suddenly a lot of unlikely things become possible. Who would win the race then?

 

[Red Rick]

There's a lot of talk about Rogla's potential DNF. But imagine something opposite happens: Pogi and Vingo crash out and suddenly a lot of unlikely things become possible. Who would win the race then?

Not winning then would devastate me a lot more than another 2024 scenario where Rog crashes out but Pogacar and Vingegaard finish 7 hours ahead of everyone else anyway.

 

[Berniece]

There's a lot of talk about Rogla's potential DNF. But imagine something opposite happens: Pogi and Vingo crash out and suddenly a lot of unlikely things become possible. Who would win the race then?

Depends on the form of the riders. We still don't really know how Roglic will ride, although I expect him to be at his best.

 

[Cookster15]

Vingegaard with Selfish Wout van Aert

A bit harsh? Your comment reminded me of that Hautacam stage when WvA was incredible and pretty sure he helped Vingegaard win that stage launching off the back of Wout's mind blowing solo. I never saw that as selfish but maybe you are referring to other occasions? With Wout's talents and the demands of teams and sponsors for stage wins as well as GC I can see why he could be seen as selfish.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Abandoned by the team, what can one do, it's life.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So i am guessing this has to be the most lo-fi participation of Rogla at the Tour since, ever? Well, holidays it is then, truth being that Rogla tends to be good at summer sports, whenever being on holiday.

At least the bike is good, so lets do it!

 

[Red Rick]

So i am guessing this has to be the most lo-fi participation of Rogla at the Tour since, ever? Well, holidays it is then, truth being that Rogla tends to be good at summer sports, whenever being on holiday.

At least the bike is good, so lets do it!

Is it that much lower than last year?

The thing kinda is is Roglic is by far the most quiet of the Big 6 when he's not racing. There's no spam of twitterati or newspaper articles every time he farts, and last year he just happened to race the Dauphine.

 

[Gratemans]

There's a lot of talk about Rogla's potential DNF. But imagine something opposite happens: Pogi and Vingo crash out and suddenly a lot of unlikely things become possible. Who would win the race then?

I've actually been pondering this the last couple of days. It's unlikely, but this is cycling, anything can happen.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So out of the GC teams, Rogla has the strongest team till the first rest day? Hopefully to profit from that.

Unorthodox approach but maybe that is exactly what is needed. It's not like some previous Tour editions awarded Rogla, for taking it seriously and to bring a GC orientated team. We'll see.

 

[Berniece]

So out of the GC teams, Rogla has the strongest team till the first rest day? Hopefully to profit from that.

Not really. I would think Jorgenson, WVA, Affini, Benoot and Campenaerts are better for those stages to support Vingegaard. If *** really hits the fan and there are echelons, I rather have Visma's team

 

[CyclistAbi]

Not really. I would think Jorgenson, WVA, Affini, Benoot and Campenaerts are better for those stages to support Vingegaard. If *** really hits the fan and there are echelons, I rather have Visma's team

Not sure to be honest, that is after taking into consideration on what each team member will likely be doing at that point in time. All in all and until the first rest day i feel Rogla has a good team. Lets build on that.

 

[CyclistAbi]

First ever sprinter team to win the Tour in history of the Tour?

 

[Froome]

First ever sprinter team to win the Tour in history of the Tour?

I don't see any sprinter in Visma.

 

[Links2003]

Abandoned by the team, what can one do, it's life.

Who would you have put up? I'm surprised that Van Gils is missing. He seemed to be in good form and useful in the mountains. Apart from that, almost all the mountain riders who were fit and in form were there. Except Zwiehoff, but his performance is not good enough at the moment.

I'm surprised by a few names but there are good reasons for that. However, Lipowitz must now clearly be a helper in the line-up. Two captains without help can only go wrong.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I don't see any sprinter in Visma.

First of all know that i would take you to the Tour and secondly the deal doesn't include Rogla, so you are safe.

As for some rationale:

Experience and fresh talent: Primož Roglič leads team at the Tour de France

Primož Roglič headlines our roster for the the Tour de France 2025. A four-time Vuelta winner and Giro d’Italia champion, Roglič is one of the most successful Grand Tour riders of his generation.

www.redbullborahansgrohe.com

The plan is hence to get all three more GC orientated riders to reach the hills. For that i agree the team is good. Alex should peak in second half of the Tour and all in all they say all are extremely well prepared. I like the fact a lot of reconnaissance and analysing was involved, especially if that means having Rogla well positioned on exposed sections.

Who would you have put up? I'm surprised that Van Gils is missing. He seemed to be in good form and useful in the mountains. Apart from that, almost all the mountain riders who were fit and in form were there. Except Zwiehoff, but his performance is not good enough at the moment.

I'm surprised by a few names but there are good reasons for that. However, Lipowitz must now clearly be a helper in the line-up. Two captains without help can only go wrong.

Injuries, current form, strategy ...

 

[Tim Cahill]

I would've gone with the bulging thighs and ripped chest of Samuel Welsford instead of Vlasov as a secondary sprint option, or perhaps young Finlay Fisherman-Black to go stage hunting!

I'm a little worried that the composition of the team might be a bit too climber-heavy at the moment.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I would've gone with the bulging thighs and ripped chest of Samuel Welsford instead of Vlasov as a secondary sprint option, or perhaps young Finlay Fisherman-Black to go stage hunting!

Rogla is the second sprinter in the team, van Poppel being third, fourth then?

 

[Cycling111]

Context is very important and you are neglecting it. Remco did only better in PdB where his main "rival" was almost 3 minutes faster and his teammate was one minute slower while Vingegaard was 1'40" ahead.
Other than PdB, Vingegaard had better numbers in Marie Blanque, Cote de Domancy, he would have better numbers in Joux Plane (they are breaking Pantani's record) if he didn't have caught Pogacar.
But you still didn't say where I was wrong.

That's right. Saying Remco moves more w/k than Pogacar in another Tour is pointless.

If that were the case, Buitrago would have beaten Contador in the Tour, and we know Buitrago is light years ahead of Contador.

Bardet's name there. Bardet competed with Contador and was inferior to him.
Bardet moves more w/k in this Dauphiné the year he retires than he did 10 years ago.

It's an absurd consolation to say that Remco moves more w/k than other riders other years.

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