Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[Cycling111]

MSR yes and FW no.

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[Red Rick]

Sanremo is a happy surprise.

 

[Tim Cahill]

This classic is merely the first stepping stone in the late-period reimagining of Primoz Van Roglennen.

 

[Berniece]

With how MSR is being raced now, it might be more suited to him. It breaks open early, and sure he won’t be in the right position, but after that moment he can help chase and if they are able to catch the lead it’s a small group on the Poggio

 

[SHAD0W93]

With how MSR is being raced now, it might be more suited to him. It breaks open early, and sure he won’t be in the right position, but after that moment he can help chase and if they are able to catch the lead it’s a small group on the Poggio

If anything it’s worse for Roglic with the distance and intensity from UAE going farther and farther out. Only way it’ll benefit him is everyone saves it for Poggio.

 

[Berniece]

If anything it’s worse for Roglic with the distance and intensity from UAE going farther and farther out. Only way it’ll benefit him is everyone saves it for Poggio.

If everyone saves it for Poggio he wint be positioned well and won’t be part of the race.

 

[SHAD0W93]

If everyone saves it for Poggio he wint be positioned well and won’t be part of the race.

But he’ll actually have energy to do something. Otherwise he’s just a passenger princess like at the last few GDLs, if he’s even in the second group.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Sanremo is good, but if he does not do fleche wallone I will personally travel to Germany and perform a citizens arrest of Ralf Denk.

 

[Rackham]

MSR is a walk in the park for 250km. So if the goal is to warm up for the season by riding in the bunch again then it's not a bad idea. Hopefully the weather will be good as well. As for what happens at the business end of the race, who cares? Last year only 3 riders actually raced anyway and the rest were all passengers.

And if the goal is to get a placing at the end, then it's not just about positioning either. Rog needs his punch back (which he lost from the Giro onwards last year) to stand any chance of following moves.

 

[tobydawq]

As for what happens at the business end of the race, who cares?

I guess most people watching the race...

 

[Rackham]

I guess most people watching the race...

If most people means Pog and VdP fans, sure.

 

[tobydawq]

If most people means Pog and VdP fans, sure.

I don't think anyone chooses to watch MSR and then turn off before the business end of the race because they've seen all they care of.

 

[Rackham]

I don't think anyone chooses to watch MSR and then turn off before the business end of the race because they've seen all they care of.

When I said "who cares" I'm talking specifically about Rog's performance. You're the one who seems intent on extrapolating that into a broader audience interest in the race as a whole.

But that being said, I'll say quite unambiguously here last year's races sucked to high heaven because one or two riders dominated outrageously in every major race and the racing was boring. Be it in the monuments or the Tour.

 

[tobydawq]

When I said "who cares" I'm talking specifically about Rog's performance. You're the one who seems intent on extrapolating that into a broader audience interest in the race as a whole.

But that being said, I'll say quite unambiguously here last year's races sucked to high heaven because one or two riders dominated outrageously in every major race and the racing was boring. Be it in the monuments or the Tour.

MSR was certainly not boring last year. But fair enough if it was only a comment about Roglic.

 

[Rackham]

MSR was certainly not boring last year. But fair enough if it was only a comment about Roglic.

I didn't have fun watching Contador sprinting against Rasmussen on the Peyresourde in the 2007 TdF. So you can imagine I didn't find Pog versus VdP on the Poggio fun last year either.

A lot of fanboys of Pog & VdP mistake their own excitement when watching their favorite rider demolish everyone as "great entertainment".

I like suspense, unknown, unpredictability. And a good chase.

 

[tobydawq]

I didn't have fun watching Contador sprinting against Rasmussen on the Peyresourde in the 2007 TdF. So you can imagine I didn't find Pog versus VdP on the Poggio fun last year either.

A lot of fanboys of Pog & VdP mistake their own excitement when watching their favorite rider demolish everyone as "great entertainment".

I like suspense, unknown, unpredictability. And a good chase.

I'm not a fanboy of either and watching Pog riding Strade, LBL, Lombardia or mountain stages doesn't do much for me.

But MSR was a fantastic battle with plenty of unpredictability.

 

[Netserk]

i concur

it was great, i guess only 11 rivals it

only plausible difference thatd have made it better wouldve been a healthy pedersen following

 

[Berniece]

I didn't have fun watching Contador sprinting against Rasmussen on the Peyresourde in the 2007 TdF. So you can imagine I didn't find Pog versus VdP on the Poggio fun last year either.

A lot of fanboys of Pog & VdP mistake their own excitement when watching their favorite rider demolish everyone as "great entertainment".

I like suspense, unknown, unpredictability. And a good chase.

You're only interested in cycling when your favourite riders are doing well? I enjoy battles between other riders too, as long as it's exciting

 

[Cycling111]

So you're one of those Roglic fans who understands those who always call him the most boring cyclist of his generation?
Because here I've always read complaints about that label of boring rider.

Last year's Milan-San Remco was more entertaining than some races Roglic won.
If you were bored by last year's San Remo, it's unlikely you'll like any race because almost nobody complained, not even those who always complain 😅.

 

[Rackham]

You're only interested in cycling when your favourite riders are doing well? I enjoy battles between other riders too, as long as it's exciting

I said I like suspense, unknown and unpredictability. I never said anything about only enjoying cycling when Rog does well. I have no idea why this has become a tangent here. I never said anything of the sort.

Pog makes races boring. VdP makes races boring. Their battle are also boring unless you're a fan of either.

I much preferred the last week of the Giro last year (especially Finestre) and even the Vuelta (despite all the protest shenanigans & the fact it was pretty much the worst Vuelta in years) because both at least had the glorious uncertainty of sport.

And Rog featured in neither. I like tuning into a race and not knowing what the outcome will be.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Please bear in mind guys that rackham rated the 2023 giro a 10/10

 

[tobydawq]

i concur

it was great, i guess only 11 rivals it

only plausible difference thatd have made it better wouldve been a healthy pedersen following

Maybe Pidcock too, if he didn't start the Cipressa in 70th position or something like that. Or did he even crash at the bottom?

 

[tobydawq]

Pog makes races boring. VdP makes races boring. Their battle are also boring unless you're a fan of either.

How can you even say this with a straight face?

 

[Cookster15]

Pog makes races boring. VdP makes races boring. Their battle are also boring unless you're a fan of either.

No way. I think you would be in the small minority. I think most fans are looking forward to the next installment of Pog vs MVDP at MSR, Flanders and P-R.

 

[Squire]

No way. I think you would be in the small minority. I think most fans are looking forward to the next installment of Pog vs MVDP at MSR, Flanders and P-R.

But that's also the only thing involving those two that I'm looking forward to. I agree with Rackam's general point. But I also agree with toby that MSR was awesome even if I don't particularly care for any of the riders involved.