Teams & Riders Everybody needs a little bit of Roglstomp in their lives

[SHAD0W93]

@SHAD0W93

Ah OK, Lipo, Giulio, Remco ... Sounds good. Personally i doubt that is possible ATM, not due to Rogla, but i guess it doesn't hurt to try it out then.

I wouldn’t expect UAE or Visma to work for Pogacar or Vingegaard if they struggle to keep up at the end of races.

 

[AmRacer]

@SHAD0W93

Ah OK, Lipo, Giulio, Remco ... Sounds good. Personally i doubt that is possible ATM, not due to Rogla, but i guess it doesn't hurt to try it out then.

Riders that performs better than Roglic won't be his doms

 

[CyclistAbi]

I wouldn’t expect UAE or Visma to work for Pogacar or Vingegaard if they struggle to keep up at the end of races.

Riders that performs better than Roglic won't be his doms

Yeah, no problem. Rogla will do his part and lets see it then.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Yeah, no problem. Rogla will do his part and lets see it then.

Exactly, maybe he can get a nice stage win and podium in TdR and pick his season up.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@SHAD0W93

We are getting ahead of ourself now but in general support would mean more then podium. As then the goal is always only one and that is an overall win. We'll see.

 

[acm]

Rogla needs to earn support, cannot live on old records.

With that kind of thinking, no one at RBH deserves support in one-week races and GTs

 

[Berniece]

With that kind of thinking, no one at RBH deserves support in one-week races and GTs

Lipowitz? The only one being somewhat consistent

 

[CyclistAbi]

Lipowitz? The only one being somewhat consistent

I mean of course quality riders that can win deserve support, RBH just doesn't offer it ATM. Because of that it's a sort of a dog eat dog working environment on where their finest have to settle for at best a podium position. Like that is somehow great accomplishment. Instead of constant sharpening to instead dull their champions.

 

[Berniece]

I mean of course quality riders that can win deserve support, RBH just doesn't offer it ATM. Because of that it's a sort of a dog eat dog working environment on where their finest have to settle for at best a podium position. Like that is somehow great accomplishment. Instead of constant sharpening to instead dull their champions.

I don't agree with that at all. In Valencia, Pellizzari rode for Evenepoel. In Catalunya, Evenepoel rode for Lipowitz. The only one not riding for his teammates when they are in a better position is Roglic.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

In Catalunya, Evenepoel rode for Lipowitz.

Only because he couldn't shake him on the descent - otherwise it would've looked bad.

Pellizzari is the only real team player among them.

 

[Berniece]

Only because he couldn't shake him on the descent - otherwise it would've looked bad.

Pellizzari is the only real team player among them.

No... Lipowitz was very clear about it after the race. He said that Evenepoel said during the race he wasn't feeling great and he wanted to help Lipowitz secure podium.

 

[Red Rick]

Both Roglic and Evenepoel have worked fine with Pellizzari and Lipowitz this season.

Anyone who cant see that needs to retake cycling 102

 

[CyclistAbi]

I don't agree with that at all. In Valencia, Pellizzari rode for Evenepoel. In Catalunya, Evenepoel rode for Lipowitz. The only one not riding for his teammates when they are in a better position is Roglic.

Obviously that is not correct but as you keep score, who rode for Rogla?

 

[Berniece]

Obviously that is not correct but as you keep score, who rode for Rogla?

When was Roglic the leader of the team this season such that he deserved to be ridden for? If he was actually able to follow Del Toro in Tirreno or Seixas in Basque, you had a case, but that wasn’t so.

 

[acm]

Lipowitz? The only one being somewhat consistent

Who cares about consistency if he doesn't win a single stage, let alone a GC.

 

[Berniece]

Who cares about consistency if he doesn't win a single stage, let alone a GC.

Because teams care about a TDF podium even if you don't win a stage. I'm not sure what gets you the most exposure long term. A stage win or podium in TDF. Probably the podium.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Berniece

So nobody.

@acm

The thing is it's not a good situation, regardless of the rider. The problem here hence is elsewhere.

@Berniece

It's nice and all but we are pass podium positions now, they need to win some too.

 

[Berniece]

@Berniece

So nobody.

Indeed nobody because there's also nobody riding for Aleotti in Tirreno.

 

[Divergence]

Because teams care about a TDF podium even if you don't win a stage. I'm not sure what gets you the most exposure long term. A stage win or podium in TDF. Probably the podium.

I would say nether. Stage wins from the GC group are somewhat good but stage wins from breakaway basically count for nothing. The podium brings some exposure to the sponsors but nowhere near what winning does, therefor the best option from a team's perspective is to always go for the win and disregard podiums. Some riders believe that winning a stage here or there or being 6th in the GC may bring them a good contract so that is why they opt for that strategy. And it pays off for the riders somewhat but only because team principles value in cycling well yet.

 

[acm]

Because teams care about a TDF podium even if you don't win a stage. I'm not sure what gets you the most exposure long term. A stage win or podium in TDF. Probably the podium.

I surely remember some epic stage wins, but I don't know who was on the TdF podium three years ago...

 

[Berniece]

I would say nether. Stage wins from the GC group are somewhat good but stage wins from breakaway basically count for nothing. The podium brings some exposure to the sponsors but nowhere near what winning does, therefor the best option from a team's perspective is to always go for the win and disregard podiums. Some riders believe that winning a stage here or there or being 6th in the GC may bring them a good contract so that is why they opt for that strategy. And it pays off for the riders somewhat but only because team principles value in cycling well yet.

I surely remember some epic stage wins, but I don't know who was on the TdF podium three years ago...

I don't live in Germany, so I don't know how much Lipowitz is used in marketing campaigns in the country now.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Indeed nobody because there's also nobody riding for Aleotti in Tirreno.

I see.

Anyway, Giulio won today, his first stage race and there was reasonable level of support involved. Lets see if we can up that at Romandie.

 

[Divergence]

I surely remember some epic stage wins, but I don't know who was on the TdF podium three years ago...

For example?

 

[Divergence]

I don't live in Germany, so I don't know how much Lipowitz is used in marketing campaigns in the country now.

I have never seen anything.

 

[acm]

For example?

My fav 4: Rogla 2017, WvA 2022, Mohoric 2021, Pidcock 2022