Explosion at Boston Marathon

[RetroActive]

Searched it through the photo to this travel blog. http://nice-jours.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html

But you are not suggesting the Red Brigade never bombed? I do know someone who had just step off a bus in Rome in the 70s as it blew. They did tend to warn people as they shouted "bomba! bomba!

Off topic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXavNe81XdQ

I have no idea who's responsible but I do find it disturbing that people think that North Korea would pull such a ridiculous stunt. Equally disturbing is that some have suggested that NK could be bombed without mentioning a Chinese response in support of it's client state.

 

[Hugh Januss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXavNe81XdQ

I have no idea who's responsible but I do find it disturbing that people think that North Korea would pull such a ridiculous stunt. Equally disturbing is that some have suggested that NK could be bombed without mentioning a Chinese response in support of it's client state.

North Korea would never do such a thing. Why the only country that might do something like that would be...............well............ probably North Korea.

 

[rhubroma]

Searched it through the photo to this travel blog. http://nice-jours.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html

But you are not suggesting the Red Brigade never bombed? I do know someone who had just step off a bus in Rome in the 70s as it blew. They did tend to warn people as they shouted "bomba! bomba!

Off topic?

You are ill-informed. The Red Brigade targeted politicians (Aldo Moro, for example) and economists (like Marco Biagi), as part of a global struggle against ''imperialism,'' they were not after fear mongering and browbeating general society into total submission. That was black shirt terrorism, as was the case with the with the Piazza Fontana bombing of Milan in 69 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_Fontana_bombing, or that of the Bologna central station on 2 Aug. 1980. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/1981/jan/22/italy-terror-on-the-right/?pagination=false

Yet since rightwing terrorism didn't directly strike at the power structure, it has never gotten the same damning publicity it also justly deserved, whereas the Red Brigade was universally condemnded by the left and right and by the Church and State in this country without reservations. By contrast there have always been some apologists and revisionists ready to defend the black shirt ideology.

In this sense terrorism of the extreme left has been more surgical and cerebral, that of the extreme right more generalized and thoughtless (though brainless is perhaps the better word).

At any rate if one wants to bring the examples of Italian terrorism into the discussion, and there are actually some cogent reasons for doing so, then if the Boston strike was internal the modus operandi conforms to the praxis of an individual (or a few ferocious wolves) racist, anti-government, anti-society, fascist wing nut.

 

[rhubroma]

You may be to young to remember these guys from the typical left-wing boogyman days. circa 1970-80s. What's the Weatherman teaching these days over here?

Bologna, Italy train station bombing by the Red Brigade, 1981. 85 dead, 200 wounded.

I'm trying not to tend toward anyone in the tragedy in Boston yesterday, but why do you limit it to only the far right? Not likely from the left given their in the majority, but I surmise the tendency to already associate a group to the events without the facts. The pulse of this thread and the tried-and-true tactic to influence through emotional reasoning? But we've all gone there I guess.

The Bologna bombing was not by the Red Brigade and it was not in 81. Get informed.

 

[rhubroma]

Because the left had their heyday in the 60s and 70s. Then they put away their bongs, passed laws against recreational drugs, and became everything their parents were and more. Now they are left with a bunch youths putting spikes in trees and sneaking into chicken farms to film.

The right on the other hand has become ever more radicalized. Even mainstream right-wing thought is filled with apocalyptic visions of the future and the idea that the country needs to be freed from socialist boogeymen who have taken over the country. You simply do not find acceptance for that sort of thinking on the left, certainly not in the warlike terms that it is commonly expressed by the right.

More than getting off their bongs, Bro, it was the fall of communism that has neutralized the matrix of extreme left terrorism in the West.

The victorious neoliberal regime and a not fortuitous multiculturalism (I say not fortuitous, because of the way globalization under the sway of economic liberalism has fashioned it), has led to mass exclusion and hardship among the established citizenry, such that a militia menatality has set in - which is what the Tea Party and NRA (sic!) more properly speaking are (you used the appropriate term "war like") - to defend the homestead from the federal government ("socialist boogeyman") and those f-ing immigrants (the impure) who are stealing our jobs, who are thus the scapegoats of their (often perceived more than real) misery.

If the 60's and 70's were the hey-day of a social revolutionary cause that had led some, in their psychosis, to believe that only through violence would that utopic, better world under disingenuous epithets like "peace and love" they longed for be realized; today you have rage fueled folk propelled by purifictory, eschatological and messianic (often influenced by evangelism and para-religious banter) toward a different kind of revolution: namely the reestablishment and purification of the "true America" to give the white man (the pure) back his lost dignity.

That this is an extreme right phenomenon, one which has thus been radicalizing the conflict, and completely estranged from the left there can be no doubt. While it’s the biggest internal problem the US faces and is completely home bread.

PS: The reports I've been reading say that the official investigation believes this wasn't Al Qaeda, but a home spun attack. The first, unfortunately, of many to come no doubt in this climate. Of course a corolary to the phenomenon are the instances of mass murder with private arsenals in the name of a "right to bear arms." These too are destined to continue.

 

[thirteen]

I know who did it: Some mentally ill and/or evil person who believes that those issues they can't go to sleep because they are pathologically thinking about mean so much that others must die so that people will understand just how f*^ked-up they think the world is.

I vacillate between having complete revulsion toward the death penalty, and wishing it were more painful. I'm on the second half today.

this, for me, too.

even down to the second paragraph which is really disturbing to me.

 

[Avoriaz]

North Korea would never do such a thing. Why the only country that might do something like that would be...............well............ probably North Korea.

More likely to American zealots of the second coming doing it and pretending to be NK so as to hasten their much desired apocalypse

 

[Scott SoCal]

More than getting off their bongs, Bro, it was the fall of communism that has neutralized the matrix of extreme left terrorism in the West.

The victorious neoliberal regime and a not fortuitous multiculturalism (I say not fortuitous, because of the way globalization under the sway of economic liberalism has fashioned it), has led to mass exclusion and hardship among the established citizenry, such that a militia - which is what the Tea Party and NRA (sic!) more properly speaking are (you used the appropriate term "war like") - menatality has set in to defend the homestead from the federal government ("socialist boogeyman") and those f-ing immigrants (the impure) who are stealing our jobs, who are thus the scapegoats of their (often perceived more than real) misery.

If the 60's and 70's were the hey-day of a social revolutionary cause that had led some, in their psychosis, to believe that only through violence would that utopic, better world under disingenuous epithets like "peace and love" they longed for be realized; today you have rage fueled folk propelled by purifictory, eschatological and messianic (often influenced by evangelism and para-religious banter) toward a different kind of revolution: namely the reestablishment and purification of the "true America" to give the white man (the pure) back his lost dignity.

That this is an extreme right phenomenon, one which has thus been radicalizing the conflict, and completely estranged from the left there can be no doubt. While it’s the biggest internal problem the US faces and is completely home bread.

PS: The reports I've been reading say that the official investigation believes this wasn't Al Qaeda, but a home spun attack. The first, unfortunately, of many to come no doubt in this climate. Of course a corolary to the phenomenon are the instances of mass murder with private arsenals in the name of a "right to bear arms." These too are destined to continue.

It was only a matter of time before this was going to get tied to guns, the second amendment and the right to bear arms.

 

[gregod]

It was only a matter of time before this was going to get tied to guns, the second amendment and the right to bear arms.

you actually read through all of that? you are made of sterner stuff than me.

 

[rhubroma]

It was only a matter of time before this was going to get tied to guns, the second amendment and the right to bear arms.

Scott you are a businessman, so when it doesn't have to do anything with numbers, checks and balances, profits and losses, inventory and ordering it’s all just Greek to you. Everything else beyond the business environment is dimmly lit at best. How can you live in such semi-darkness? It's like living in a museum!

Well at least it seems you have gregod for company.

 

[blutto]

.....here is a bit of good-old-down-home humour from one of SoBro's more famous right thinking buddies....enjoy...its a real knee slapper this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SQ3Ac4KF4lo

Cheers

 

[Scott SoCal]

Scott you are a businessman, so when it doesn't have to do anything with numbers, checks and balances, profits and losses, inventory and ordering it’s all just Greek to you. Everything else beyond the business environment is dimmly lit at best. How can you live in such semi-darkness? It's like living in a museum!

Well at least it seems you have gregod for company.

If you want to draw comparisons maybe you should look at the mentality of the bomber/shooter/mass murderer.

Blaming the gun is like blaming the bomb. We clearly need more bomb control laws.

 

[rhubroma]

If you want to draw comparisons maybe you should look at the mentality of the bomber/shooter/mass murderer.

Blaming the gun is like blaming the bomb. We clearly need more bomb control

Where did I blame the gun man!? Once again Scott you are a blockhead. What was alluded to, though this escaped you, was a militia attitude which has infected the far right: both within the anti-government and pro-gun milieus. This much at least is clear.

 

[Scott SoCal]

you actually read through all of that? you are made of sterner stuff than me.

I have experience.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Where did the blame the gun man!? Once again Scott you are a blockhead. What was alluded to, though this escaped you, was a militia attitude which has infected the far right: both within the anti-government and pro-gun milieus. This much at least is clear.

Please. The "militia attitude" is certainly not limited to the "far right."

Pro gun positions are not limited to the far right either.

Blockhead? Careful man, your post may be deleted.

 

[VeloCity]

If you want to draw comparisons maybe you should look at the mentality of the bomber/shooter/mass murderer.rolleyes:

You really are quite fond of red herrings. Anything to obfuscate and redirect.

 

[rhubroma]

Please. The "militia attitude" is certainly not limited to the "far right."

Pro gun positions are not limited to the far right either.

Blockhead? Careful man, your post may be deleted.

Blockhead! Blockhead! Blockhead!

Where is there a damn pro-gun man who, in the absence of a fascist oppression, for which something absolutely needs to be done, to be found? The partigiani laid down their guns the moment the threat was overcome.

Please, spare us with the historical revisionism! And stop with your total incomprehension of the right and wrong cause.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Please. The "militia attitude" is certainly not limited to the "far right."

Please provide any kind of evidence to confirm the existence of armed, left wing militias in the US - now. The 60's don't count any more.

 

[Scott SoCal]

You really are quite fond of red herrings. Anything to obfuscate and redirect.

Hmmm, maybe re-read the post in question. Then I'll accept your apology.

 

[blutto]

Blaming the gun is like blaming the bomb. We clearly need more bomb control laws.

....that is so cool...so youse guys got your marching orders and are now charging off into the future in lock step ( I love parades...especially from a safe distance... )....and led, no less, by the one, the only, PigBoy ( see below...for those who somehow missed my earlier posting... )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SQ3Ac4KF4lo

Cheers

 

[Scott SoCal]

Blockhead! Blockhead! Blockhead!

Where is there a damn pro-gun man who, in the absence of a fascist oppression, for which something absolutely needs to be done, to be found? The partigiani laid down their guns the moment the threat was overcome.

Please, spare us with the historical revisionism! And stop with your total incomprehension of the right and wrong cause.

Check your blood pressure. No need to stroke out. We'll all miss your lengthy posts.

Where is there a damn anti-gun man interested in addressing the real problems instead of kidding themselves in to believing "something absolutely needs to be done."

Maybe concentrate on solutions that will produce results you "say" you are interested in? Just a suggestion.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Please provide any kind of evidence to confirm the existence of armed, left wing militias in the US - now. The 60's don't count any more.

Militias? Is that what we are talking about???

The Prof is the one linking the bombing to the right to bear arms. Now it's militias?

Please provide evidence of the right to bear arms being defended exclusively by the far right.

 

[rhubroma]

Check your blood pressure. No need to stroke out. We'll all miss your lengthy posts.

Where is there a damn anti-gun man interested in addressing the real problems instead of kidding themselves in to believing "something absolutely needs to be done."

Maybe concentrate on solutions that will produce results you "say" you are interested in? Just a suggestion.

Is that a recorded message, yours, to be regurgetated at the latest provocation?

So what would your "solutions" be at this point, which naturally would produce results (based on your total comprehension of the phenomenon)?

Pfff.

 

[rhubroma]

Militias? Is that what we are talking about???

The Prof is the one linking the bombing to the right to bear arms. Now it's militias?

Please provide evidence of the right to bear arms being defended exclusively by the far right.

........

 

[Scott SoCal]

Is that a recorded message, yours, to be regurgetated at the latest provocation?

So what would your "solutions" be at this point, which naturally would produce results (based on your total comprehension of the phenomenon)?

Pfff.

Don't be so melodramatic. I know you don't know how to react when challenged... But this is over the top even for you.