Explosion at Boston Marathon

[rhubroma]

Don't be so melodramatic. I know you don't know how to react when challenged... But this is over the top even for you.

We are pleased to encounter someone we have known virtually all our lives and shake hands with him, but in no time we find out that he has meanwhile become an idiot, I thought. We always imagine, mistakenly, that he will have developed, in one direction or another, only to find out that he has not developed at all, that he is simply twenty years older, that he is no longer slim but has a paunch, and that he wears big tasteless rings on fat fingers that were once attractive.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Hey what sorta left wing nutter went and sent a poison letter to the fine gentleman from Mississippi???!

Don't look now but some Right Wing nutter has sent a letter to the Muslim President. WTF?

Hey why are you guys mad at Scott for claiming that not all Nutter's are Right wing. That only makes common sense doesn't it? I mean what about the weather underground or the Black Panther, Students of or for a democratic society, M19CO, or the lone UNIbomber. Wasn't the Uni bomber mad a capitalist mathematicians or was he just ****ed and all Mensa's?

 

[VeloCity]

So at the moment at least looks as though the feds are also thinking in Scott's "one direction":

NO FOREIGN CONNECTION: A senior U.S. official tells CNN’s Barbara Starr that “there is no reporting indicating a foreign connection or any reaction from Al Qaeda” to the Boston terrorist attacks. That is based on information circulated through senior levels of the Administration six hours ago, and the U.S. official said it certainly could change as the investigation progresses.

Could still very well be a foreigner of course but apparently even the feds are leaning toward home-grown.

Letter addressed to Obama containing a "suspicious substance" also intercepted. Probably from one of those lefty militia types.

 

[thirteen]

So at the moment at least looks as though the feds are also thinking in Scott's "one direction":

Could still very well be a foreigner of course but apparently even the feds are leaning toward home-grown.

Letter addressed to Obama containing a "suspicious substance" also intercepted. Probably from one of those lefty militia types.

and they are currently questioning a suspect...

 

[rhubroma]

Hey what sorta left wing nutter went and sent a poison letter to the fine gentleman from Mississippi???!

Don't look now but some Right Wing nutter has sent a letter to the Muslim President. WTF?

Hey why are you guys mad at Scott for claiming that not all Nutter's are Right wing. That only makes common sense doesn't it? I mean what about the weather underground or the Black Panther, Students of or for a democratic society, M19CO, or the lone UNIbomber. Wasn't the Uni bomber mad a capitalist mathematicians or was he just ****ed and all Mensa's?

Nobody was making such a claim (read carefully). In fact you have ELF (Earth Liberation Front) and ALF (Animal Liberation Front), though this is not the point. But go on.

PS: The Unabomber wanted to strike the academiic-industrial-financial complex and it took 20 years to catch him. At any rate there is no conflict, at the level of modus operandi, with what I wrote above.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I thought this was very sad

http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/16/boy-8...sts-after-hugging-dad-on-finish-line-3617542/

 

[Amsterhammer]

Please. The "militia attitude" is certainly not limited to the "far right."

Pro gun positions are not limited to the far right either.

Blockhead? Careful man, your post may be deleted.

Please provide any kind of evidence to confirm the existence of armed, left wing militias in the US - now. The 60's don't count any more.

Militias? Is that what we are talking about???

The Prof is the one linking the bombing to the right to bear arms. Now it's militias?

Please provide evidence of the right to bear arms being defended exclusively by the far right.

My bad, Scott. I should have said "militia attitude".

Please provide any kind of evidence to show that the "militia attitude" of which the Professor spoke "is certainly not limited to the "far right.""

Or did you mean that the militia attitude (which kind of by definition leads to people setting up what they like to call "militias", but what the rest of us call "armed redneck morons") is also found throughout the "near right", the "middle right", and any other sectors falling under the general heading of "right" that I may have overlooked.

Did I misunderstand that you were suggesting that the left also holds "militia attitudes"? I know exactly what you were suggesting in one of your hot-under-the-collar moments, so c'mon Scott, ffs.....provide any credible evidence or withdraw such a silly allegation.

As for defending the right to bear arms, I'm fully aware that there are 'liberal' gun owners who defend the right to bear arms, as is their right under the SA. However, I do believe that you will find that these people tend to favor stricter controls, more/better background checks, smaller magazines, etc., and that they don't shout about the Gubmint having to pry their guns from their cold, dead hands.

 

[Scott SoCal]

So at the moment at least looks as though the feds are also thinking in Scott's "one direction":

Could still very well be a foreigner of course but apparently even the feds are leaning toward home-grown.

Letter addressed to Obama containing a "suspicious substance" also intercepted. Probably from one of those lefty militia types.

Yeah.. no such thing as a mentally disturbed left winger. They are all on the right.

This passes as rational thought today. Yay.

 

[rhubroma]

I thought this was very sad

http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/16/boy-8...sts-after-hugging-dad-on-finish-line-3617542/

I could not even bear the article about him in la Repubblica on the metro this morning, without making a scene. How many other children need to be extinguished by the folly of adults, and not only in America?

The gods love those who die young. R.I.P.

 

[Hugh Januss]

More likely to American zealots of the second coming doing it and pretending to be NK so as to hasten their much desired apocalypse

There are any number of fanatical groups, religious, political, or what have you that might be capable of doing something like this. Capable that is in a "my screwed up point of view is worth killing innocent people over" kind of way. North Korea is the only country that I can think of that would fall in line with that sort of thinking. Well except for the US making the world safe for democracy, that is.

 

[Scott SoCal]

My bad, Scott. I should have said "militia attitude".

Please provide any kind of evidence to show that the "militia attitude" of which the Professor spoke "is certainly not limited to the "far right.""

Or did you mean that the militia attitude (which kind of by definition leads to people setting up what they like to call "militias", but what the rest of us call "armed redneck morons") is also found throughout the "near right", the "middle right", and any other sectors falling under the general heading of "right" that I may have overlooked.

Did I misunderstand that you were suggesting that the left also holds "militia attitudes"? I know exactly what you were suggesting in one of your hot-under-the-collar moments, so c'mon Scott, ffs.....provide any credible evidence or withdraw such a silly allegation.

As for defending the right to bear arms, I'm fully aware that there are 'liberal' gun owners who defend the right to bear arms, as is their right under the SA. However, I do believe that you will find that these people tend to favor stricter controls, more/better background checks, smaller magazines, etc., and that they don't shout about the Gubmint having to pry their guns from their cold, dead hands.

Maybe the professor can delineate exactly what constitutes a "militia attitude." I know it would be helpful for me.

Did I misunderstand that you were suggesting that the left also holds "militia attitudes"? I know exactly what you were suggesting in one of your hot-under-the-collar moments, so c'mon Scott, ffs.....provide any credible evidence or withdraw such a silly allegation.

TBH, I don't exactly know WTF the good professor is talking about with the term "militia attitudes." Sounds like you don't either.

He does, however, seem to be blending a "militia attitude" (whatever that is) with the right to bear arms. If that's his point then there are plenty on the left concerned with second amendment rights.

As for defending the right to bear arms, I'm fully aware that there are 'liberal' gun owners who defend the right to bear arms, as is their right under the SA. However, I do believe that you will find that these people tend to favor stricter controls, more/better background checks, smaller magazines, etc., and that they don't shout about the Gubmint having to pry their guns from their cold, dead hands

This may be true and it is also true that many on the right feel exactly the same way. But you see, everyone who believes in the SA is also a mouth breathing NRA fervent supporter as painted by an extreme(ly) broad brush that the left uses on so many occasions.

 

[RetroActive]

There are any number of fanatical groups, religious, political, or what have you that might be capable of doing something like this. Capable that is in a "my screwed up point of view is worth killing innocent people over" kind of way. North Korea is the only country that I can think of that would fall in line with that sort of thinking. Well except for the US making the world safe for democracy, that is.

North Korea is the only country that I can think of that would fall in line with that sort of thinking.

Think again, use evidence to assist you.

 

[rhubroma]

Maybe the professor can delineate exactly what constitutes a "militia attitude." I know it would be helpful for me.QUOTE]

Within the immense human and cultural forest of America is that “other terrorism,” the one Made in the USA, hidden like a serpent in the bush. An indigenous terrorism: a clot of Neo-Nazi militias, violent ecologists and animalists, anti-government “patriots,” rebels without a cause, anti-abortionists, KKK splinters and veteran urban guerrillas who combined have committed over the last decades on American soil many more attacks than Al Qaeda and its affiliates.

The stats registered over the last decades have confirmed that even if no one has reached the apotheosis of horror obtained at the Twin Towers, this certainly hasn’t been for a lack of trying. Of the 95 attacks classified as “terrorist” by the National Security Agency, 6 have been securely attributed to Al Qaeda, to AQAP, the Saudi strain of the network, and Tehrik-i-Taliban, the ****stani cell. The remaining 89 are works of organizations like the Department of Justice (not the governmental agency), but a group of that demands justice against the oppression of Washington, the KKK, as well as various animalist and ecological expressions (ELF and ALF). As much, therefore, as foreign terrorism, home grown terrorism has as its objective the same target: the US government, which, according to their worldview, is the seat of all iniquity. Yet the various militias and violent groups that have dispersed the bombs, killed, maimed and intimidated, have each spread over an ideological arch the same draft of hatred. The assassins of medics who practice legal abortion in the name of pro-life obviously have nothing in common with the man who struck the Atlanta Olympic park with a bomb of nails and shrapnel, the same type of bomb used at Boston, though the devastating results are the same.

Each of these dozens of groups, cells and militias according to a paramilitary criteria found above all in the Midwest, has a totem to knock down and one to erect. The isolated find their cause, like the Unabomber who despised the academic-industrial-financial complex, or the uber-Christians of the deep South who abhor the impiety of a Washington that wants to impose upon God’s people, at least as they claim to be, atrocities such as pro-choice and gay matrimony. If there exists a point in common it’s to be found in a shared hatred for any institutionalized order that goes against their voluntarily circumscribed world view. On the right this signifies an armed struggle against that most hateful means through which any government negates liberty to a “patriotic people,” as they frequently define themselves: taxes. Those payments which every April 15th are required of that Moloch that is the State.

A research conducted by West Point last year has evidenced a massive increase, and yet almost unobserved, of internal terrorism. Between 1990 and 2011 the attacks, successful or otherwise, by groups or individuals of the extreme right in the US went from 35 to 350 each year (a ten-fold increment). The peak always occurs during an election year, which unleashes that folly and hate that we witnessed before Obama’s arrival on the scene. The virulence of national terrorism reached its historical record in 2008, with 550 strikes, according to West Point.

In these past months many factors have converged to create a potential critical mass that the investigators, caught completely off-guard, are presently analyzing, together with the magisterial Islamic lead. Obama’s battle to curtail the access to firearms, for example, the talisman of real “patriots,” has raised the ire of those who see in their own riffles the vestiges (and inheritance) of the bygone anti-British revolutionaries. Then there would be the proposal of a law to grant illegal immigrants amnesty, which is another sore spot for the violent right, as well as the increase of taxes requested by Obama to sustain social programs and the inexorable advance of legal rights for gays: pure, unadulterated hatred for the “******” and “foreign” White House resident. It’s a potential witches brew that’s capable of irritating the serpent, provoking her to come out of the bush and bite that America they love to the point of hating Americans.

 

[rhubroma]

Maybe the professor can delineate exactly what constitutes a "militia attitude." I know it would be helpful for me.

Within the immense human and cultural forest of America is that “other terrorism,” the one Made in the USA, hidden like a serpent in the bush. An indigenous terrorism: a clot of Neo-Nazi militias, violent ecologists and animalists, anti-government “patriots,” rebels without a cause, anti-abortionists, KKK splinters and veteran urban guerrillas who combined have committed over the last decades on American soil many more attacks than Al Qaeda and its affiliates.

The stats registered over the last decades have confirmed that even if no one has reached the apotheosis of horror obtained at the Twin Towers, this certainly hasn’t been for a lack of trying. Of the 95 attacks classified as “terrorist” by the National Security Agency, 6 have been securely attributed to Al Qaeda, to AQAP, the Saudi strain of the network, and Tehrik-i-Taliban, the ****stani cell. The remaining 89 are works of organizations like the Department of Justice (not the governmental agency), but a group of wingnuts that demands justice against the oppression of Washington, the KKK, as well as various animalist and ecological expressions (ELF and ALF). As much, therefore, as foreign terrorism, home grown terrorism has as its objective the same target: the US government, which, according to their worldview, is the seat of all iniquity. Yet the various militias and violent groups that have dispersed the bombs, killed, maimed and intimidated, have each spread over an ideological arch the same draft of hatred. The assassins of medics who practice legal abortion in the name of pro-life obviously have nothing in common with the man who struck the 1996 Atlanta Olympic park with a bomb of nails and shrapnel, the same type of bomb used at Boston, though the devastating results are the same.

Each of these dozens of groups, cells and militias according to a paramilitary criteria found above all in the Midwest, has a totem to knock down and one to erect. The isolated find their cause, like the Unabomber who despised the academic-industrial-financial complex, or the uber-Christians of the deep South who abhor the impiety of a Washington that wants to impose upon God’s people, at least as they claim to be, atrocities such as pro-choice and gay matrimony. If there exists a point in common it’s to be found in a shared hatred for any institutionalized order that goes against their voluntarily circumscribed world view. On the right this signifies an armed struggle against that most hateful means through which any government negates liberty to a “patriotic people,” as they frequently define themselves: taxes. Those payments which every April 15th are required of that Moloch that is the State.

A research conducted by West Point last year has evidenced a massive increase, and yet almost unobserved, of internal terrorism. Between 1990 and 2011 the attacks, successful or otherwise, by groups or individuals of the extreme right in the US went from 35 to 350 each year (a ten-fold increment). The peak always occurs during an election year, which unleashes that folly and hate that we witnessed before Obama’s arrival on the scene. The virulence of national terrorism reached its historical record in 2008, with 550 strikes, according to West Point.

In these past months many factors have converged to create a potential critical mass that the investigators, caught completely off-guard, are presently analyzing, together with the magisterial Islamic lead. Obama’s battle to curtail the access to firearms, for example, the talisman of real “patriots,” has raised the ire of those who see in their own riffles the vestiges (and inheritance) of the bygone anti-British revolutionaries. Then there would be the proposal of a law to grant illegal immigrants amnesty, which is another sore spot for the violent right, as well as the increase of taxes requested by Obama to sustain social programs and the inexorable advance of legal rights for gays: pure, unadulterated hatred for the “ni-gger” and “foreign” White House resident. It’s a potential witches brew that’s capable of irritating the serpent, provoking her to come out of the bush and bite that America they love to the point of hating Americans.

Capito?

 

[BillytheKid]

I thought this was very sad

http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/16/boy-8...sts-after-hugging-dad-on-finish-line-3617542/

+1

From family friend last night on CNN. To paraphrase; Martin Richards was considered very bright and often called upon to help his classmates with their work. The neighbor said his was very bright, compassionate although a quite boy. His family house was often open and welcome to all the children of the neighborhood. Every one new the Richards. His mother is in serious condition with a head would. His younger sister is known to have at least lost a leg in the blast.

 

[BillytheKid]

Fox News is now reporting a suspect has been or is about to be arrested and is being taken to a Federal Courthouse.

 

[BillytheKid]

Fox News has now confirmed that an arrest has been made base on Television Video compared with video from a surveillance camera.

 

[VeloCity]

Yeah.. no such thing as a mentally disturbed left winger. They are all on the right.

This passes as rational thought today. Yay.

Dude, go back and read - you were the one who assumed that the "one direction" referred solely to the right. I've bent over backward to include all possibilities, foreigners, lefties, everyone. But even you admit tacitly through your defensiveness, if it is domestic, it's most likely - not definitively, not absolutely, but based on recent history and the increasing radicalization of the right, most likely - a right-winger.

 

[LaFlorecita]

+1

From family friend last night on CNN. To paraphrase; Martin Richards was considered very bright and often called upon to help his classmates with their work. The neighbor said his was very bright, compassionate although a quite boy. His family house was often open and welcome to all the children of the neighborhood. Every one new the Richards. His mother is in serious condition with a head would. His younger sister is known to have at least lost a leg in the blast.

Horrible, just horrible. A 6 year old girl who lost her leg, brother and might even lose her mother? I feel so sorry for that family. The picture of him holding the sign and the picture of the family break my heart everytime I see them

 

[RetroActive]

Within the immense human and cultural forest of America is that “other terrorism,” the one Made in the USA, hidden like a serpent in the bush. An indigenous terrorism: a clot of Neo-Nazi militias, violent ecologists and animalists, anti-government “patriots,” rebels without a cause, anti-abortionists, KKK splinters and veteran urban guerrillas who combined have committed over the last decades on American soil many more attacks than Al Qaeda and its affiliates.

The stats registered over the last decades have confirmed that even if no one has reached the apotheosis of horror obtained at the Twin Towers, this certainly hasn’t been for a lack of trying. Of the 95 attacks classified as “terrorist” by the National Security Agency, 6 have been securely attributed to Al Qaeda, to AQAP, the Saudi strain of the network, and Tehrik-i-Taliban, the ****stani cell. The remaining 89 are works of organizations like the Department of Justice (not the governmental agency), but a group of that demands justice against the oppression of Washington, the KKK, as well as various animalist and ecological expressions (ELF and ALF). As much, therefore, as foreign terrorism, home grown terrorism has as its objective the same target: the US government, which, according to their worldview, is the seat of all iniquity. Yet the various militias and violent groups that have dispersed the bombs, killed, maimed and intimidated, have each spread over an ideological arch the same draft of hatred. The assassins of medics who practice legal abortion in the name of pro-life obviously have nothing in common with the man who struck the 1996 Atlanta Olympic park with a bomb of nails and shrapnel, the same type of bomb used at Boston, though the devastating results are the same.

Each of these dozens of groups, cells and militias according to a paramilitary criteria found above all in the Midwest, has a totem to knock down and one to erect. The isolated find their cause, like the Unabomber who despised the academic-industrial-financial complex, or the uber-Christians of the deep South who abhor the impiety of a Washington that wants to impose upon God’s people, at least as they claim to be, atrocities such as pro-choice and gay matrimony. If there exists a point in common it’s to be found in a shared hatred for any institutionalized order that goes against their voluntarily circumscribed world view. On the right this signifies an armed struggle against that most hateful means through which any government negates liberty to a “patriotic people,” as they frequently define themselves: taxes. Those payments which every April 15th are required of that Moloch that is the State.

A research conducted by West Point last year has evidenced a massive increase, and yet almost unobserved, of internal terrorism. Between 1990 and 2011 the attacks, successful or otherwise, by groups or individuals of the extreme right in the US went from 35 to 350 each year (a ten-fold increment). The peak always occurs during an election year, which unleashes that folly and hate that we witnessed before Obama’s arrival on the scene. The virulence of national terrorism reached its historical record in 2008, with 550 strikes, according to West Point.

In these past months many factors have converged to create a potential critical mass that the investigators, caught completely off-guard, are presently analyzing, together with the magisterial Islamic lead. Obama’s battle to curtail the access to firearms, for example, the talisman of real “patriots,” has raised the ire of those who see in their own riffles the vestiges (and inheritance) of the bygone anti-British revolutionaries. Then there would be the proposal of a law to grant illegal immigrants amnesty, which is another sore spot for the violent right, as well as the increase of taxes requested by Obama to sustain social programs and the inexorable advance of legal rights for gays: pure, unadulterated hatred for the “******” and “foreign” White House resident. It’s a potential witches brew that’s capable of irritating the serpent, provoking her to come out of the bush and bite that America they love to the point of hating Americans.

Do you work for Homeland Security? All the Booga-Booga they need to justify their existence. Exponential growth doesn't last forever, we're going to see wingnuts of every stripe, from gov't to radicals, make their plays. Fallacious assumptions tend towards negative outcomes, it's a very large stage erected on sand.

 

[Tom T.]

Will you morons stop bickering about who did this? You don't know anything. An arrest has apparently been made. Now shut your stupid mouths, sit back and wait to see who this is. Then some of you can come back and gloat that you were right. But you know what? The dead will still be dead, the maimed will still be maimed and you will still be dipsh!ts engaging in a useless internet argument.

 

[thirteen]

Fox News has now confirmed that an arrest has been made base on Television Video compared with video from a surveillance camera.

and the briefing is expected to be at 5 ET... which means three more hours of speculation... and Wolf trying to get more out of John King aside from the fact that it is a dark-skinned individual.

(and before anybody trashes me for watching CNN, i'm in europe and limited with english-speaking news channels... typically, i prefer Al Jazeera when they're reporting the same story.)

 

[BillytheKid]

and the briefing is expected to be at 5 ET... which means three more hours of speculation... and Wolf trying to get more out of John King aside from the fact that it is a dark-skinned individual.

(and before anybody trashes me for watching CNN, i'm in europe and limited with english-speaking news channels... typically, i prefer Al Jazeera when they're reporting the same story.)

Lost my clicker going back and forth from Fox to CNN and my computer. Fox now reporting a pending and new, news conference.

CNN is usually better on breaking news.

 

[rhubroma]

Do you work for Homeland Security? All the Booga-Booga they need to justify their existence. Exponential growth doesn't last forever, we're going to see wingnuts of every stripe, from gov't to radicals, make their plays. Fallacious assumptions tend towards negative outcomes, it's a very large stage erected on sand.

Moi? For Homeland Security???

I've always said it's not going to last forever chap. This is just the beginning.

 

[Amsterhammer]

and the briefing is expected to be at 5 ET... which means three more hours of speculation... and Wolf trying to get more out of John King aside from the fact that it is a dark-skinned individual.

(and before anybody trashes me for watching CNN, i'm in europe and limited with english-speaking news channels... typically, i prefer Al Jazeera when they're reporting the same story.)

Agreed, 13. I just hope it's not a Muslim, or the blood lust will know no bounds.

Tom T - if you don't like it here, well dude, you know what you can do....