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So why dont more teams do this> Oh yeah their riders can't because the Ferrari 'programmed' ones are too strong!
There are up to 100 variations of EPO and the UCI can only test for a few, should it bother! When did UCI show us some transparency, heck they were defending Armstrong until the reasoned decision was released!
UCI are a joke, even their CIRC report criticised them heavily. UCI are about as anti doping as Oleg Tinkov!
So you arguing that UCI are transparent, yet most cycling fans, the serious ones believe they are doping!!
Of course everyone is doing it. It is part of the culture. Point to a team lead by someone who has steadfastly refused to play the doping game? They all dope. Until doping is no longer part of cycling culture and that will take a monumental change and effort, which we have failed to see we can safely assume that doping culture is still as pervasive as it ever was and take the talk of Vaughters and Brailsford with a tiny pinch of salt that it deserves.
carton said:
So why dont more teams do this> Oh yeah their riders can't because the Ferrari 'programmed' ones are too strong!
carton said:
There are up to 100 variations of EPO and the UCI can only test for a few, should it bother! When did UCI show us some transparency, heck they were defending Armstrong until the reasoned decision was released!
carton said:
UCI are a joke, even their CIRC report criticised them heavily. UCI are about as anti doping as Oleg Tinkov!
carton said:
So you arguing that UCI are transparent, yet most cycling fans, the serious ones believe they are doping!!
carton said:
Of course everyone is doing it. It is part of the culture. Point to a team lead by someone who has steadfastly refused to play the doping game? They all dope. Until doping is no longer part of cycling culture and that will take a monumental change and effort, which we have failed to see we can safely assume that doping culture is still as pervasive as it ever was and take the talk of Vaughters and Brailsford with a tiny pinch of salt that it deserves.
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It's pretty simple really.
You hoover up a large number of promising amateurs, & dope them up & measure their improvements, so you can identify the responders. You then take the best 30-40 of them & spread them into semi-pro feeder teams, & maintain their individual programs to build them up the optimum 'safe' level you can get them to, to build up their 'naturally talented' Bio-Passport.
Once their baseline values are established at a suitably insane level, & they haven't triggered any positives, they can be promoted into the full Pro ranks & by virtue of the number of them, it's no big deal if one tests positive, because there's twenty more behind them, with equally good numbers !
SkyTears said:
It's pretty simple really.
You hoover up a large number of promising amateurs, & dope them up & measure their improvements, so you can identify the responders. You then take the best 30-40 of them & spread them into semi-pro feeder teams, & maintain their individual programs to build them up the optimum 'safe' level you can get them to, to build up their 'naturally talented' Bio-Passport.
Once their baseline values are established at a suitably insane level, & they haven't triggered any positives, they can be promoted into the full Pro ranks & by virtue of the number of them, it's no big deal if one tests positive, because there's twenty more behind them, with equally good numbers !
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Change the definition of sport changing from the race on the road, to uncontrolled human experimentation in the hotel room/van.
Are you okay with the people that will die from doping gone wrong?
Can we send you the medical bills from the athletes with health consequences from doping?
Because that's what has already happened.
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Change the definition of sport changing from the race on the road, to uncontrolled human experimentation in the hotel room/van.
Are you okay with the people that will die from doping gone wrong?
Can we send you the medical bills from the athletes with health consequences from doping?
Because that's what has already happened.
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I think it all got a little confused...
It was the usual xy is winning > thus doping better than the rest and/or UCI protection... well, cycling is not swimming, FIFA, MLB, NFL, NBA or T&F... It is as Järmann said: Without all the tests we would have deads. And we actually don´t (unless crazy ones really don´t care like Gianetti, Horner or LA. Then death is within reach). Cycling is doing a pretty good job compared to others. Life expectancy is as good (or better) than the average guy. Cycling implemented as firsts: 50% rule, ooc tests, health tests before GT, blood tests, passport, CIRC, etc... I am not the one jumping the bandwagon of MSM: cycling bad > so I have to think cycling bad.
After all: If doping can´t be prevented, do what´s possible (which is what cycling does). So if I see talented guys prevail, I can live with reality (them doping micro-dosing). The only thing I can´t stand are over the top psychos that go all-in, thus play russian roulette (to get caught any time), and phuck tomorrow & insult my brain (like Horner or the untested guys from SAm like Diaz).
AST has 8 guys in the line-up who would be captains in other teams. So what we see can be expected. There is nothing unusual. Except the fact that cyclists (as in all pro sports) work-place-dope or at least bent the rules to a max...
DirtyWorks said:
I think it all got a little confused...
It was the usual xy is winning > thus doping better than the rest and/or UCI protection... well, cycling is not swimming, FIFA, MLB, NFL, NBA or T&F... It is as Järmann said: Without all the tests we would have deads. And we actually don´t (unless crazy ones really don´t care like Gianetti, Horner or LA. Then death is within reach). Cycling is doing a pretty good job compared to others. Life expectancy is as good (or better) than the average guy. Cycling implemented as firsts: 50% rule, ooc tests, health tests before GT, blood tests, passport, CIRC, etc... I am not the one jumping the bandwagon of MSM: cycling bad > so I have to think cycling bad.
After all: If doping can´t be prevented, do what´s possible (which is what cycling does). So if I see talented guys prevail, I can live with reality (them doping micro-dosing). The only thing I can´t stand are over the top psychos that go all-in, thus play russian roulette (to get caught any time), and phuck tomorrow & insult my brain (like Horner or the untested guys from SAm like Diaz).
AST has 8 guys in the line-up who would be captains in other teams. So what we see can be expected. There is nothing unusual. Except the fact that cyclists (as in all pro sports) work-place-dope or at least bent the rules to a max...
Aru's secret is...you guessed it...using a higher cadence!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-shorts-lelli-suspended-for-a-day-betancur-switches-focus-to-stage-wins
Gazzetta dello Sport has revealed that Fabio Aru has worked on his pedalling cadence during the winter to be more efficient and use less energy on the climbs of the Giro d’Italia.
“Analysing the date from mountain finishes and his training climbs from last year, we saw that Aru’s cadence was 89/90 rpm,” Aru’s coach Maurizio Mazzoleni told Gazzetta dello Sport.
“This year it is up to 90/92, while his rivals have a cadence of between 86 and 93 rpm. To improve it we’ve worked a lot on improving his pedal stroke, both in the gym and on the road during climbing efforts. A better and more agile pedal action is more efficient, allowing a bigger saving of muscle glycogen.”
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-shorts-lelli-suspended-for-a-day-betancur-switches-focus-to-stage-wins
Gazzetta dello Sport has revealed that Fabio Aru has worked on his pedalling cadence during the winter to be more efficient and use less energy on the climbs of the Giro d’Italia.
“Analysing the date from mountain finishes and his training climbs from last year, we saw that Aru’s cadence was 89/90 rpm,” Aru’s coach Maurizio Mazzoleni told Gazzetta dello Sport.
“This year it is up to 90/92, while his rivals have a cadence of between 86 and 93 rpm. To improve it we’ve worked a lot on improving his pedal stroke, both in the gym and on the road during climbing efforts. A better and more agile pedal action is more efficient, allowing a bigger saving of muscle glycogen.”
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Thats clever. Spinning the same ol gear quicker also increases speed. Wonder if they noticed yet, or perhaps they need to consult a swim coach first.
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It seemed to help Lance a lot. Wasn't that why he won almost every time trial and MTF? Cadence?LaFlorecita said:Is the difference between 89/90 and 90/92 really that big
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Why would they talk? Omerta is real, why would they hurt their friends? The cyclists that have spilled the beans all "had their backs against the wall" in some big way that finally made them talk:
* Floyd had basically been blacklisted from the sport and was being given a kicking in the press
* Tyler had tested positive twice and had no hope of competing again
* Manzano was fired by his team after they nearly killed him
* Rasmussen was also basically blacklisted from world tour racing and still he waited til he retired
How many nobodies have come forward of their own accord and indicted a team that did nothing worse than not promote them? In any case they'd have no dirt on the WT team or on Nibali, Aru, etc.
del1962 said:
Why would they talk? Omerta is real, why would they hurt their friends? The cyclists that have spilled the beans all "had their backs against the wall" in some big way that finally made them talk:
* Floyd had basically been blacklisted from the sport and was being given a kicking in the press
* Tyler had tested positive twice and had no hope of competing again
* Manzano was fired by his team after they nearly killed him
* Rasmussen was also basically blacklisted from world tour racing and still he waited til he retired
How many nobodies have come forward of their own accord and indicted a team that did nothing worse than not promote them? In any case they'd have no dirt on the WT team or on Nibali, Aru, etc.
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BroDeal's title was even better than that. Aru goes there. Cadence!
Sadly, BroDeal doesn't seem to be around the clinic much these days
Sadly, BroDeal doesn't seem to be around the clinic much these days
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Can't wait for Brailsford to rage thinking to himself what other drugs they could possible use to level the field
Rollthedice said:
Can't wait for Brailsford to rage thinking to himself what other drugs they could possible use to level the field
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lean down, altitude training, high cadence spinning, smoothly dancing on the pedals: Aru really becomes Rasmussen's son! ^^
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"I think Contador is fine, there’s nothing wrong with him." - Aru today
Careful Fabio, you might get sued
Careful Fabio, you might get sued
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Wait, you were around when Bro Deal was posting?
Anyway Bro in the end I think lost the plot a little, with his new found defense of Armstrong and every year predicting the forum was about to die. He loved conflict, that was for sure.
Kid did have a talent for some discussions though, no doubt about that. Especially for getting dirty with the trolls, there was no one better.
SeriousSam said:
Wait, you were around when Bro Deal was posting?
Anyway Bro in the end I think lost the plot a little, with his new found defense of Armstrong and every year predicting the forum was about to die. He loved conflict, that was for sure.
Kid did have a talent for some discussions though, no doubt about that. Especially for getting dirty with the trolls, there was no one better.
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