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Maybe not moral, but sensible for my personal health, sure it was.chiocciolis_calves said:No, you should let them stand there and cause a serious accident with a racer because you're afraid a man with a child is going to hit you. I mean, that seems the sensible and moral thing to do, yes?
Well, you're clearly twisting things around here.chiocciolis_calves said:Since you asked, I will tell you that throughout my life, the most common response when I have confronted people doing something that endangers others or is just simply obnoxious and rude is shock that someone is calling on them on it. They have usually apologized or stopped. Some have responded angrily. Did you know that not a single time have I been hit by any of them? Fear of there being a fight or being killed is the most common excuse I have heard from people who stand silent. It's how they rationalize doing nothing.
Why? He has clearly caused a crash. If Colli felt the fan and his camera then the fan is obviously at fault.SafeBet said:Side note: the fan hitting Colli with a camera has sued Colli for defamation.
MacRoadie said:Local crit (NRC Race) this weekend:
Singer01 said:i have as deep a hatred as anybody for the nobs who get in the way on mountain stages and run alongside the riders. having said that if someone is behind a barrier then they are doing nothing wrong and it is 100% the riders fault for going too close to the barrier.
That was the stupidest comment I've seen all morning. Congratulations...Singer01 said:i have as deep a hatred as anybody for the nobs who get in the way on mountain stages and run alongside the riders. having said that if someone is behind a barrier then they are doing nothing wrong and it is 100% the riders fault for going too close to the barrier.
Singer01 said:i have as deep a hatred as anybody for the nobs who get in the way on mountain stages and run alongside the riders. having said that if someone is behind a barrier then they are doing nothing wrong and it is 100% the riders fault for going too close to the barrier.
Volderke said:+1 for Basecase
I have a bigger camera than this so-called professional. And a lot of people have. The photographer should have been a bit more precautious, but, and this is what chiocciolis_calves seems to miss out:
The photographer was not standing in a particular risky place. He was standing 5 meters before the barriers narrowd abruptly inwards with around 30-40 cms. This implicates that any rider this close with the barriers at the location of the photographer would have the very existing risk of ending up in the barriers anyway, irregardless of the photographer. This is why the photographer, and probably all bystanders, deemed it a safe place to lean over a bit. They couldn't imagine a rider would take the risk of passing with a very small margin and the risk of crashing 5 meters further. Unfortunately, for Colli already taking too many risks, this was a situation he couldn't predict. But I tell you, if he didn't crash into the photographer (+ other bystander, once again, not only the photographer was hit, but also the lady right behind the photographer, with a pocket camera), he would 95% sure have crashed into the barrier, or, in order to avoid that, into Ruffoni.
So Colli sueing is ridiculous in ANY aspect. The guy was behind the barriers, he was not moving, and there is no rule for leaning over barriers. Part of the game so deal with it.
I noticed that last 300m barriers are a bit skew so people leaning over cannot lean over further than the skewness of the barriers.
irondan said:That was the stupidest comment I've seen all morning. Congratulations...Singer01 said:i have as deep a hatred as anybody for the nobs who get in the way on mountain stages and run alongside the riders. having said that if someone is behind a barrier then they are doing nothing wrong and it is 100% the riders fault for going too close to the barrier.
jmdirt said:Singer01 said:i have as deep a hatred as anybody for the nobs who get in the way on mountain stages and run alongside the riders. having said that if someone is behind a barrier then they are doing nothing wrong and it is 100% the riders fault for going too close to the barrier.
His camera wasn't behind the barrier so it is 100% his fault.
It was his fault. Commen sense prevails once again. If 200 odd riders are coming at 60+kph, then you'd react by moving back.Singer01 said:jmdirt said:Singer01 said:i have as deep a hatred as anybody for the nobs who get in the way on mountain stages and run alongside the riders. having said that if someone is behind a barrier then they are doing nothing wrong and it is 100% the riders fault for going too close to the barrier.
His camera wasn't behind the barrier so it is 100% his fault.
except it totally wasn't, unless there was a sign saying 'keep all of your body parts behind the barrier'.
The riders have a right ro ride on any tarmac that isn't barriered off. They take risks and if someone gets in their way then it's not the rider's fault as he can go there. You wont find anyone in the pro peloton going:Singer01 said:i have as deep a hatred as anybody for the nobs who get in the way on mountain stages and run alongside the riders. having said that if someone is behind a barrier then they are doing nothing wrong and it is 100% the riders fault for going too close to the barrier.
Singer01 said:irondan said:That was the stupidest comment I've seen all morning. Congratulations...Singer01 said:i have as deep a hatred as anybody for the nobs who get in the way on mountain stages and run alongside the riders. having said that if someone is behind a barrier then they are doing nothing wrong and it is 100% the riders fault for going too close to the barrier.
when i cycle i'm aware of the risks, they shouldn't exist, but if they do i try to avoid them. if you know a risk exists and you plough headlong into it then you are an idiot.
Singer01 said:jmdirt said:Singer01 said:i have as deep a hatred as anybody for the nobs who get in the way on mountain stages and run alongside the riders. having said that if someone is behind a barrier then they are doing nothing wrong and it is 100% the riders fault for going too close to the barrier.
His camera wasn't behind the barrier so it is 100% his fault.
except it totally wasn't, unless there was a sign saying 'keep all of your body parts behind the barrier'.
I wasnt one of those people saying that, but according to my diagram below, the riders will press right up against the barrier (the green) that the wind will be hitting. So if anyone wants to move up, then they will have to enter the wind.42x16ss said:Those who are blaming the riders for clipping spectators leaning over barriers must not have raced much. Coming into a sprint finish with crosswind where do you think that the best place is going to be?
Singer01 said:let me ask you this, when you are cycling past a junction do you assume the cars won't edge out a bit and plough on regardless, or do you sensibly make allowances for the fact that there are selfish a$$holes out there?
i take the world the way it is, not the way i want it to be. and if i was in a sprint i wouldn't be cycling within 2 ft of the barriers, jalabert can tell you all about it (though obviously that was entirely the morons fault).