Federal Prosecutor Doug Miller Assigned to Landis case

[alberto.legstrong]

Although not often do I find myself agreeing with Polish, the subject in itself is something I would be interested in. But the question could be formulated a bit nicer and less direct and more targeted to the whole of the peloton at that point.

Anyway good to have you here Darryl, feel free to provide us with any information and insight you can give and want to give us and even if you don't want that have a nice time around here, but don't come to much in the clinic, it's mostly us cinics and the Armstrong fanboys, not the nicest crowd of people

If people were actually civilized to one another, we wouldn't call it the internet. Can you imagine trying to take Polish to a decent restaurant, he'd probably just grab plates off of neighboring tables and start eating off of them while the patrons sat aghast in horror.

What passes for decency here is funny. But yes, his concerns are valid even if his manner is rude.

 

[shawnrohrbach]

But how openly are they supposed to talk about it? After each victory...once they retire? The problem is there is no justifiable reason for a rider to take an EPO type drug. These drugs must be used with great care even in legitimate therapeutic settings. So when drugs like this are used in sport they are naturally going to be distributed in many ways which are illegal. Even with blood transfusions there is going to be a very large percentage of the medical community that is against riders having 5 to 20 transfusions in a season. So when you have outlaw doctors, support staff and even riders themselves performing transfusions then there will be a larger risk of something going wrong, like what happened to Manzano and I'm sure many others. It's also illegal for non-licensed people to perform transfusions in many countries.

I completely agree with you and your comments add a different facet to my own thoughts. I really don't cAre if the unattached individual on the street, like the doctor I know in Eastern Washington, who choose to take drugs for recreation or to win amateur races. Fine, let them destroy their bodies as long as my tax dollars don't get used for scraping them out of the gutter and shipping their bodies off to potters graveyard. What I am sick of is the constant sanctification of cyclists in the 90's and through the 2000's and served up to young cyclists as role models when, inside the walls of the club, they wink at each other and then collectively cash in on the lie, and this includes pro cyclists, bike makers, television commentators, trainers, team managers, team sponsors, and all the cling ons who thought they could ride along and lick up the nickels and dimes dropped by the Senior Club Members. I just want them to admit they doped and see if everyone stills wants to kiss their A$$es. If they do, great. I, however, have never enjoyed even the thought of that.

 

[Cervelo77]

People who don't believe doping is rampant must not have competed much in sports. In my experience starting at age 15-16 in high school football there were a lot of guys who used stimulants and it just went on from there. My university strength coach was busted for being a steroid dealer. Go to any gym in the world that has free weights and you'll find people doing steroids. Hell, a lot of them will be cops.
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I'll share a story that is pretty big new in Ontario sports currently. The U of Waterloo football team was suspended because one athlete was discovered to be dealing steroids and HGH to other players. They tested the whole team and about 10% of the team was on steroids. Some players at other area schools were tested, but they tested clean. The Waterloo program has been suspended for one year as of this week. Another kid who has been charged with a related break and enter. It's messy. Ironically Waterloo isn't known for having a great collegiate athletics tradition. One can imagine at other more competitive schools this must be going on. The governing body, CIS, is now considering more widespread random testing. Considering that most of these players are at best going onto the low paying Canadian Football League I think it says a lot about the incentive to dope at higher levels.

http://news.therecord.com/Sports/article/729636

 

[Oldman]

I completely agree with you and your comments add a different facet to my own thoughts. I really don't cAre if the unattached individual on the street, like the doctor I know in Eastern Washington, who choose to take drugs for recreation or to win amateur races. Fine, let them destroy their bodies as long as my tax dollars don't get used for scraping them out of the gutter and shipping their bodies off to potters graveyard. What I am sick of is the constant sanctification of cyclists in the 90's and through the 2000's and served up to young cyclists as role models when, inside the walls of the club, they wink at each other and then collectively cash in on the lie, and this includes pro cyclists, bike makers, television commentators, trainers, team managers, team sponsors, and all the cling ons who thought they could ride along and lick up the nickels and dimes dropped by the Senior Club Members. I just want them to admit they doped and see if everyone stills wants to kiss their A$$es. If they do, great. I, however, have never enjoyed even the thought of that.

Geez, shawn, that's a long sentence. Maybe you could PM me on the EW doc that saw the need to take PED's. I'm sure I've been forced to deal with him one time or another. Fortunately his regimen hasn't made him invincible so his program didn't upset the natural balance of things. We've all had to deal with worse.

 

[Darryl Webster]

On an entirely unrelated subject...

ahem.

Your mate's been awarded an OBE.

Oh dear..mind you giving out gongs to dodgy peeps has long been the normal..Henry Kissinger`s Nobel Peace Prize??!!..you couldnt make it up!
Not enough John Lennons in this world is there.