Federal Prosecutor Doug Miller Assigned to Landis case

[SpartacusRox]

Oooops. It seems to me Darryl does NOT know what he is talking about

My mistake again.

cheers again. cheerio.

You may like to reflect on extending others the same courtesies that you flame others for.

Darryl was merely extending his opinion regarding a certain rider. He is quite entitled to have that opinion whether you disagree with it or not. The truth or otherwise of that opinion is contestable but that does not alter the legitimacy of the opinion.

Like a number of others on here you seem to regard your beliefs as truth incarnate rather than the subjective opinions that they actually are.

 

[Anonymous]

Lance has said he plans to return to the US after Switzerland to complete his Tour prep, but it´s more likely to fine tune his pre-Tour PED program far from the prying French testers, than to answer any questions. He may have to look to Spain instead. He´s running out of options.

no he hasnt, hes said on twitter that he is staying in europe till the tour

@MissH2OS I wish I could. I'm in Europe racing now tho and staying here til TdF. Nevada City Classic is 50 yrs old this year! Amazing.
about 6 hours ago via UberTwitter in reply to MissH2OS

 

[unsheath]

Thanks for your insight Darryl. I only wish more ex-riders would come here to share their wealth..

 

[flicker]

DW. I do not believe for a second what you say is not true. Without being a very good rider myself I realised what has gone in. Let me make a suggestion. What you say can be very damaging to our sport. Think before you blog. Many people who do not understand cycling might take offense.
In other words as my Dad told me "If you can't say anything nice don't say it"
Cheers and goodnight. Fred Taylor

 

[Anonymous]

DW. I do not believe for a second what you say is not true. Without being a very good rider myself I realised what has gone in. Let me make a suggestion. What you say can be very damaging to our sport. Think before you blog. Many people who do not understand cycling might take offense.
In other words as my Dad told me "If you can't say anything nice don't say it"
Cheers and goodnight. Fred Taylor

Jesus wept.


And they wonder why the sport is a frigging mess.

 

[flicker]

DW. I do not believe for a second what you say is not true. Without being a very good rider myself I realised what has gone in. Let me make a suggestion. What you say can be very damaging to our sport. Think before you blog. Many people who do not understand cycling might take offense.
In other words as my Dad told me "If you can't say anything nice don't say it"
Cheers and goodnight. Fred Taylor

Let me put it another way Darryl. If you were a pro (or amatuer) and you witnessed someone cheating in any way and you did not report it to the race authorities you were as guilty as them. Y ou commited the same sins as them.
Coming clean to our bunch means squat. As much to me as Floyd Landis or Alexi Grewal or Tyler Hamilton. You Darryl are a cheat also. Shame shame.

 

[red_flanders]

Let me put it another way Darryl. If you were a pro (or amatuer) and you witnessed someone cheating in any way and you did not report it to the race authorities you were as guilty as them. Y ou commited the same sins as them.
Coming clean to our bunch means squat. As much to me as Floyd Landis or Alexi Grewal or Tyler Hamilton. You Darryl are a cheat also. Shame shame.

What an absolute load of rubbish.

 

[flicker]

What an absolute load of rubbish.

dude if you are there and see someone cheat and you do not report it then and there you are part of the problem.
People I know do that. How is that rubish? Oh well if you wish to listen to Darryl clear out the drivel that is his conscience, you should be a therapistt and charge him $200 an hour. that is for a 50 minute hour.

 

[MacRoadie]

dude if you are there and see someone cheat and you do not report it then and there you are part of the problem.
People I know do that. How is that rubish? Oh well if you wish to listen to Darryl clear out the drivel that is his conscience, you should be a therapistt and charge him $200 an hour. that is for a 50 minute hour.

No one wants to listen to you, but you've been able to post 1,155 loads of absolute bull**** and no one's charged you a penny.

 

[Nick777]

Let me put it another way Darryl. If you were a pro (or amatuer) and you witnessed someone cheating in any way and you did not report it to the race authorities you were as guilty as them. Y ou commited the same sins as them.
Coming clean to our bunch means squat. As much to me as Floyd Landis or Alexi Grewal or Tyler Hamilton. You Darryl are a cheat also. Shame shame.

I'd hate to be relying on you when the chips were down.
Worst post ever.

 

[tifosa]

Darryl - TA for your post, and your insights.

As you said, the game has been the same since the inception of cycling. Only now there's advanced thievery and pharmacology.

Cheers to those who survive and ride without the drugs and skullduggery.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Frankly flicker, and any one else who wishes to poor scorn on my comments I couldnt give a stuff.
Pro cycling is predominantly a sport of endemic corruption of attitudes and I, to some degree was part of that for a brief two years.
I make no appoligy for being witness to things I nevers asked to be and staying silent.
Same "excuse" as everyone else , a living to make and a morgage to pay and I`d already ,In my amatuer career expirienced the abuse of power by peoples who`s ego`s and self interest are placed before the persuit of honest endevour and suffered as a result.
I believe speeking out about the poor attitude towards the issue of doping, as riders rep on the board of the Profesional Cycling Assocition was a factor in my inabilty to secure a contract back in the UK after my year with Spainish team Teka in 89 .
28 years old, I`d given the best years of my life to this sport and in the space of two years it was all over as im not a person who "towes the line".

Call me a cheet all you like ..your comments are meaningless, unknowing drival.

PS.. Ironicly, I am a Person Centred Therapist.
After my career was over ,for over a decade, I suffered severe depressions, a divorce, 2 suicide attempt resulting in arival at A@E unconcious before finaly finding the understanding to be able move forward.
I then spent four years training to become a counsillor.

 

[blackcat]

thanks for your contributions Darryl. It wont take you long to learn the trolls names, and the troll with the multi-personality disorder, cause he keeps getting banned.

 

[bobbins]

Frankly flicker, and any one else who wishes to poor scorn on my comments I couldnt give a stuff.
Pro cycling is predominantly a sport of endemic corruption of attitudes and I, to some degree was part of that for a brief two years.
I make no appoligy for being witness to things I nevers asked to be and staying silent.
Same "excuse" as everyone else , a living to make and a morgage to pay and I`d already ,In my amatuer career expirienced the abuse of power by peoples who`s ego`s and self interest are placed before the persuit of honest endevour and suffered as a result.
I believe speeking out about the poor attitude towards the issue of doping, as riders rep on the board of the Profesional Cycling Assocition was a factor in my inabilty to secure a contract back in the UK after my year with Spainish team Teka in 89 .
28 years old, I`d given the best years of my life to this sport and in the space of two years it was all over as im not a person who "towes the line".

Call me a cheet all you like ..your comments are meaningless, unknowing drival.

PS.. Ironicly, I am a Person Centred Therapist.
After my career was over ,for over a decade, I suffered severe depressions, a divorce, 2 suicide attempt resulting in arival at A@E unconcious before finaly finding the understanding to be able move forward.
I then spent four years training to become a counsillor.

You can't back up any of your allegations and have stated in the past that you can't so why trot them out all over again, this time to a wider audience?

If you have any evidence then bring it on, otherwise all you are saying is make believe.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

You can't back up any of your allegations and have stated in the past that you can't so why trot them out all over again, this time to a wider audience?

If you have any evidence then bring it on, otherwise all you are saying is make believe.

How is he supposed to back up those allegations? Photos? Confessions? Failed tests?

For omerta defenders the level of "evidence" required is so high, and such critique is only used to silence people who choose to speak out.

For such apologists the rule seems to be that only the guilty fail tests, until they say there was a mistake or a spiked sample.

People have a right to say what they saw. Just because you don't have hard evidence doesn't mean it can't possibly be true. Especially if it more than likely possible. One can be convicted in court on eyewitness testimony alone.

 

[Runitout]

You can't back up any of your allegations and have stated in the past that you can't so why trot them out all over again, this time to a wider audience?

If you have any evidence then bring it on, otherwise all you are saying is make believe.

Denial is a wonderful thing. So comforting to close your eyes, plug your ears, and chant something that shuts out the din of the real world.

 

[CycloErgoSum]

You can't back up any of your allegations and have stated in the past that you can't so why trot them out all over again, this time to a wider audience?

If you have any evidence then bring it on, otherwise all you are saying is make believe.

He was a witness to events; his testimony is his evidence. Are you calling him a liar?

Sorry for you to have to experience this DW, but some people on this forum are as shrill as they are silly.

 

[Darryl Webster]

He was a witness to events; his testimony is his evidence. Are you calling him a liar?

Sorry for you to have to experience this DW, but some people on this forum are as shrill as they are silly.

Its no issue Cyclo, Im the first acknowledge its my word and nothing else, hence no names.
A point I`d like to make is I dont consider all dopers "bad " people and in the great scheme of things pro cycling is to me something of an irelevance.
I dont approve of doping but Im not a hanging man iether.
The issue is more complex than mere cheeting. Its an attitude. Its as prevalent in civy street as it is sport.
The Anglo / American puritinasim about sport stands in stark contrast to the realities of those societies. But society dosnt want to look at its self and prefers to foister blame on those it holds up as beacons of virtue.
But...as revelations unfold about the dark underbelly of elite sports it parralals the unravelling of the corperate gread that lead to the recent banking "crisis" sparked , it would appear by deliberate market manipulation by Goldman Sachs.
Ie...the world we live in is largely an alliusion of respectibility and that we have yet to become truely civilised.
Only by speeking as we see not as we would wish it to be does truth emerge.
"If you only reflect that which you chose our fears will consume us"
The Sphere

 

[lean mean &green]

this thread has gone completely off the rails.

my feelings about dw...

he's free to post and say whatever he wants.

posting using your actual identity and disclosing personal information is a risky decision i'd advise against, but he's a grown man and again, can do whatever he wants.

i see very little incentive for him to lie so assuming what DW says is 100% fiction is pretty dumb. assuming what darryl says as 100% truth and jumping in to defend someone you don't know is almost equally as dumb.

 

[flicker]

Darryl please feel free to carry on. My issue is that I have lost many loved ones to drug abuse. No sense explaining. Sorry I was a jerk. I understand this sport. I have a different outlook. May the sun shine upon you DW.

 

[Darryl Webster]

this thread has gone completely off the rails.

my feelings about dw...

he's free to post and say whatever he wants.

posting using your actual identity and disclosing personal information is a risky decision i'd advise against, but he's a grown man and again, can do whatever he wants.

i see very little incentive for him to lie so assuming what DW says is 100% fiction is pretty dumb. assuming what darryl says as 100% truth and jumping in to defend someone you don't know is almost equally as dumb.

None of my "revalations" have the substance ( other than curcumstantial..ie in the race I mentioned all the team bar one rider was actualy pulled from the final stage...and that is verifiable) , my point was to " set the scene" of what its realy like in the elite game.
Its a war , winning is everything and losing is..well for "losers". I guess for some, I fit into that catogory?.
Ive nothing to gain and equaly nothing to lose from my postings. Im careful with my wording.
I woud like to see elite sports become clean in all manner of ways but It will never happen because as in any business money is the God of temptation.
The best we can hope for is to prevent the excess`s that lead to deaths.
If anyone realy wants to see sport go down your local recreation park and watch little league and see it in all its glory.

 

[Epicycle]

People who don't believe doping is rampant must not have competed much in sports. In my experience starting at age 15-16 in high school football there were a lot of guys who used stimulants and it just went on from there. My university strength coach was busted for being a steroid dealer. Go to any gym in the world that has free weights and you'll find people doing steroids. Hell, a lot of them will be cops.

I used to laugh in the 1980s/early 1990s when sports were considered a clean alternative to recreational drug use. Back then in the popular mind drugs were associated with musicians and subcultures like that. I remember maybe 10-12 years ago getting into an online discussion about drugs in sport with some serious drug policy type people. They were convinced I was vastly overstating the association of drugs with sport.

Nowadays, at least in the US, I think it's probably more prevalent than ever before because sports have become even more important. Plus you have more young guys juicing to get bulked up which they think makes them look good.

 

[flicker]

People who don't believe doping is rampant must not have competed much in sports. In my experience starting at age 15-16 in high school football there were a lot of guys who used stimulants and it just went on from there. My university strength coach was busted for being a steroid dealer. Go to any gym in the world that has free weights and you'll find people doing steroids. Hell, a lot of them will be cops.

I used to laugh in the 1980s/early 1990s when sports were considered a clean alternative to recreational drug use. Back then in the popular mind drugs were associated with musicians and subcultures like that. I remember maybe 10-12 years ago getting into an online discussion about drugs in sport with some serious drug policy type people. They were convinced I was vastly overstating the association of drugs with sport.

Nowadays, at least in the US, I think it's probably more prevalent than ever before because sports have become even more important. Plus you have more young guys juicing to get bulked up which they think makes them look good.

Death metal music,HGH,steroids and meth.What could be a better training program for a body builder. Integrity yeah!

 

[flicker]

None of my "revalations" have the substance ( other than curcumstantial..ie in the race I mentioned all the team bar one rider was actualy pulled from the final stage...and that is verifiable) , my point was to " set the scene" of what its realy like in the elite game.
Its a war , winning is everything and losing is..well for "losers". I guess for some, I fit into that catogory?.
Ive nothing to gain and equaly nothing to lose from my postings. Im careful with my wording.
I woud like to see elite sports become clean in all manner of ways but It will never happen because as in any business money is the God of temptation.
The best we can hope for is to prevent the excess`s that lead to deaths.
If anyone realy wants to see sport go down your local recreation park and watch little league and see it in all its glory.

When I read what you wrote previously it reminded me of Pantani and oh so many others. Sorry to be so harsh Darryl.

 

[Darryl Webster]

When I read what you wrote previously it reminded me of Pantani and oh so many others. Sorry to be so harsh Darryl.

Cheers, I`ts not a problem flicker.
The subjective interpritation of the written word is such that meaning is in the mind of the reader and it`s the authers job, if he wants to be understood, to counter that subjectivity with clarity.
Clarity takes far more words than your typical posting so I think its best to give grace till proven otherwise.

The dogs asleep, the Sun is shining and all is well In my world.