Fernando Gaviria Discussion Thread

[RedheadDane]

Sure, it was his own mistake that he crashed, he already admitted that. Rookie mistake and loss of concentration. Not that many who can say they have made a rookie mistake in the final of the Milano - San Remo...

 

[DNP-Old]

10th in his first ever race on the cobbles. Amazing.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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10th in his first ever race on the cobbles. Amazing.

Beaten only by such legends of cycling as Theuns, Keukeleire and Thwaites. Today 10th in Dwars, tomorrow the world.

 

[Jspear]

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10th in his first ever race on the cobbles. Amazing.

Beaten only by such legends of cycling as Theuns, Keukeleire and Thwaites. Today 10th in Dwars, tomorrow the world.

Don't be to hard on him. He's very young and still has plenty of room for improvement. He obviously did a rookie move today and went to early.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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Don't be to hard on him. He's very young and still has plenty of room for improvement. He obviously did a rookie move today and went to early.

Sure, but that doesn't mean we should be hyping his 10th place in a minor classic with a relatively weak field.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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10th in his first ever race on the cobbles. Amazing.

Beaten only by such legends of cycling as Theuns, Keukeleire and Thwaites. Today 10th in Dwars, tomorrow the world.

Ha. The Gaviria hype from some people make me question my fanboyism of him..

 

[Alexandre B.]

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Don't be to hard on him. He's very young and still has plenty of room for improvement. He obviously did a rookie move today and went to early.

Sure, but that doesn't mean we should be hyping his 10th place in a minor classic with a relatively weak field.

Especially in a sprint finish.

 

[Mr.White]

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10th in his first ever race on the cobbles. Amazing.

Not

 

[DNP-Old]

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10th in his first ever race on the cobbles. Amazing.

Beaten only by such legends of cycling as Theuns, Keukeleire and Thwaites. Today 10th in Dwars, tomorrow the world.

It's the first time he's ever seen a cobblestone in his life, yet he's there once again in a position to win. I can remember worse debuts. But hey, let's just be negative.

 

[Gigs_98]

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10th in his first ever race on the cobbles. Amazing.

Beaten only by such legends of cycling as Theuns, Keukeleire and Thwaites. Today 10th in Dwars, tomorrow the world.

It's the first time he's ever seen a cobblestone in his life, yet he's there once again in a position to win. I can remember worse debuts. But hey, let's just be negative.

How big was the group he finished with? At least it was big and that basically means it shouldnt really surprise us that he was there. And then the sprint itself was rather underwhelming so this race rather made me question if he is a future cobbles classic contender than it made me convinced that he is.

 

[DNP-Old]

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10th in his first ever race on the cobbles. Amazing.

Beaten only by such legends of cycling as Theuns, Keukeleire and Thwaites. Today 10th in Dwars, tomorrow the world.

It's the first time he's ever seen a cobblestone in his life, yet he's there once again in a position to win. I can remember worse debuts. But hey, let's just be negative.

How big was the group he finished with? At least it was big and that basically means it shouldnt really surprise us that he was there. And then the sprint itself was rather underwhelming so this race rather made me question if he is a future cobbles classic contender than it made me convinced that he is.

Checking how many people finished in the same group is just telling half the story, as he was in that chasing group with Benoot and van Avermaet as well...

 

[Gigs_98]

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10th in his first ever race on the cobbles. Amazing.

Beaten only by such legends of cycling as Theuns, Keukeleire and Thwaites. Today 10th in Dwars, tomorrow the world.

It's the first time he's ever seen a cobblestone in his life, yet he's there once again in a position to win. I can remember worse debuts. But hey, let's just be negative.

How big was the group he finished with? At least it was big and that basically means it shouldnt really surprise us that he was there. And then the sprint itself was rather underwhelming so this race rather made me question if he is a future cobbles classic contender than it made me convinced that he is.

Checking how many people finished in the same group is just telling half the story, as he was in that group with Benoot and van Avermaet as well...

Well in your comment you wrote that his 10th place is the amazing thing not the way he rode today.

 

[Breh]

Young kid, first cobbled race, 10th is not too bad. Reasonable people don't expect him to win too much this year. He still is the next big thing in cycling though.

 

[DNP-Old]

My apologies, I wasn't aware that I had to explain my posts to every last detail and that people didn't think for themselves ITT.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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It's the first time he's ever seen a cobblestone in his life, yet he's there once again in a position to win. I can remember worse debuts. But hey, let's just be negative.

I believe there might be a reasonable middle ground between being negative and describing 10th place in Dwars door Vlaanderen as "amazing".

 

[DNP-Old]

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It's the first time he's ever seen a cobblestone in his life, yet he's there once again in a position to win. I can remember worse debuts. But hey, let's just be negative.

I believe there might be a reasonable middle ground between being negative and describing 10th place in Dwars door Vlaanderen as "amazing".

Yes, because f context and let's just look no further than the result alone.

 

[Gigs_98]

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My apologies, I wasn't aware that I had to explain my posts to every last detail and that people didn't think for themselves ITT.

Come on. You know that this tenth place wasnt amazing. The nine guys in front of him were: Debusschere, Coquard, Theuns, Pozzato, Keukeleire, Nizzolo, Gatto, Thwaites and Teunissen.
It's not horrible to be behind these guys but just not amazing too.
Edit: and you wrote "tenth place in his first classic. Amazing" So why shouldnt we think that you meant that a tenth place in this race is something absolutely impressive although thats exactly what you wrote

 

[DNP-Old]

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My apologies, I wasn't aware that I had to explain my posts to every last detail and that people didn't think for themselves ITT.

Come on. You know that this tenth place wasnt amazing. The nine guys in front of him were: Debusschere, Coquard, Theuns, Pozzato, Keukeleire, Nizzolo, Gatto, Thwaites and Teunissen.
It's not horrible to be behind these guys but just not amazing too.

Agree to disagree. I find it highly impressive that someone, who is just 21 years old and is riding his first ever race on cobblestones, managed to do the things he did. THIS GOES FURTHER THAN JUST THE RESULT, just pointing that out in case anyone hadn't noticed and didn't think (or isn't able to) that far.

 

[Mr.White]

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It's the first time he's ever seen a cobblestone in his life, yet he's there once again in a position to win. I can remember worse debuts. But hey, let's just be negative.

I believe there might be a reasonable middle ground between being negative and describing 10th place in Dwars door Vlaanderen as "amazing".

Yes, because f context and let's just look no further than the result alone.

His ride was not amazing by any means! He was good through out the race, but he blew up in the sprint. That means he needs much more strength to be competitive in this races. And Dwars is only 200km... I know he's young, and this is his first race on the cobbles, but he was not amazing believe me! He was good, but he needs much work and much to learn to be competitive in such races.

 

[DNP-Old]

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It's the first time he's ever seen a cobblestone in his life, yet he's there once again in a position to win. I can remember worse debuts. But hey, let's just be negative.

I believe there might be a reasonable middle ground between being negative and describing 10th place in Dwars door Vlaanderen as "amazing".

Yes, because f context and let's just look no further than the result alone.

His ride was not amazing by any means! He was good through out the race, but he blew up in the sprint. That means he needs much more strength to be competitive in this races. And Dwars is only 200km... I know he's young, and this is his first race on the cobbles, but he was not amazing believe me! He was good, but he needs much work and much to learn to be competitive in such races.

''Believe me'', am I not allowed to have my own opinion on this or something?

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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It's the first time he's ever seen a cobblestone in his life, yet he's there once again in a position to win. I can remember worse debuts. But hey, let's just be negative.

I believe there might be a reasonable middle ground between being negative and describing 10th place in Dwars door Vlaanderen as "amazing".

Yes, because f context and let's just look no further than the result alone.

His ride was not amazing by any means! He was good through out the race, but he blew up in the sprint. That means he needs much more strength to be competitive in this races. And Dwars is only 200km... I know he's young, and this is his first race on the cobbles, but he was not amazing believe me! He was good, but he needs much work and much to learn to be competitive in such races.

''Believe me'', am I not allowed to have my own opinion on this or something?

Sure you are. You can look at all results that Gaviria attain through a filter of admiration or you can see them in an objective way.

 

[Nick C.]

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It's the first time he's ever seen a cobblestone in his life, yet he's there once again in a position to win. I can remember worse debuts. But hey, let's just be negative.

I believe there might be a reasonable middle ground between being negative and describing 10th place in Dwars door Vlaanderen as "amazing".

Yes, because f context and let's just look no further than the result alone.

His ride was not amazing by any means! He was good through out the race, but he blew up in the sprint. That means he needs much more strength to be competitive in this races. And Dwars is only 200km... I know he's young, and this is his first race on the cobbles, but he was not amazing believe me! He was good, but he needs much work and much to learn to be competitive in such races.

and yet he had the strength to be in pole position at MSR. I know there are no cobbles but still.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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It's the first time he's ever seen a cobblestone in his life, yet he's there once again in a position to win. I can remember worse debuts. But hey, let's just be negative.

I believe there might be a reasonable middle ground between being negative and describing 10th place in Dwars door Vlaanderen as "amazing".

Yes, because f context and let's just look no further than the result alone.

His ride was not amazing by any means! He was good through out the race, but he blew up in the sprint. That means he needs much more strength to be competitive in this races. And Dwars is only 200km... I know he's young, and this is his first race on the cobbles, but he was not amazing believe me! He was good, but he needs much work and much to learn to be competitive in such races.

''Believe me'', am I not allowed to have my own opinion on this or something?

Stop hyping him up so much. Allow the kid to develop without placing too much pressure on him

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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Stop hyping him up so much. Allow the kid to develop without placing too much pressure on him

That is not possible. A rider cannot be this good this young and avoid large amounts of hype and pressure. Hype and pressure are an automatic consequence.

 

[SlickMongoose]

Looked like he just opened his sprint too early, and gave up as riders went past him. A bit more experience and he might have won.