Teams & Riders Filippo Ganna Discussion Thread

[Netserk]

Ganna is just overrated. Once again, he will crack on Paris Roubaix, a race where guys like him should dominate or at least compete ftw.

the problem is ineos and that turner hasnt been good since his illness

ganna has been great , but just with a different form curve compared to last year and then done too much pulling in front of a peloton instead of being set up by his team

 

[Brullnux]

Ganna is just overrated. Once again, he will crack on Paris Roubaix, a race where guys like him should dominate or at least compete ftw.

He isn't overrated, he just has key flaws that affect him in big races. He's huge, bigger than Cancellara ever was, which affects his climbing in Flemish classics; he is really rough over bad cobbles, which affects him at Paris-Roubaix. Even the year he was involved in the front group, he'd lose about 5 metres every corner.

But on the flat he is a monster. I don't think anybody else can drag a peloton or attacker back like he can.

 

[canina82]

He isn't overrated, he just has key flaws that affect him in big races. He's huge, bigger than Cancellara ever was, which affects his climbing in Flemish classics; he is really rough over bad cobbles, which affects him at Paris-Roubaix. Even the year he was involved in the front group, he'd lose about 5 metres every corner.

But on the flat he is a monster. I don't think anybody else can drag a peloton or attacker back like he can.

He is the definition of overrated. He is rated every year as a potential winner of PR and he never was close to win the race.

 

[Brullnux]

He is the definition of overrated. He is rated every year as a potential winner of PR and he never was close to win the race.

He's tried properly only twice and he was pretty close in 2023. Everyone knows he's a level below Wout, VdP, Pedersen, and now Pogacar too. But he's rated in the group below them (with Philipsen et al) which is entirely fair given his record and characteristics.

Like I said, everyone knows he has fundamental issues that limit him in Paris-Roubaix. In a perfect race he can overcome them, more realistically he gets dropped and fights for the podium/top five. He just wastes so much energy making up ground in the harder cobbled sections that unless he fixes it or the other favourites play games behind him and let him TT to the finish, it is so hard to win.

 

[Netserk]

He is the definition of overrated. He is rated every year as a potential winner of PR and he never was close to win the race.

was he underrated when he beat pogi in sanremo last year ?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He is the definition of overrated. He is rated every year as a potential winner of PR and he never was close to win the race.

Not overrated at all. According to the following site his odds for PR are in middle teens (some sites list him at 30 or 40). Not only Van der Poel & Pogacar (who dominate the odds) but also a few other guys have shorter odds.

https://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/paris-roubaix/winner

 

[canina82]

was he underrated when he beat pogi in sanremo last year ?

If you don't, just say you don't agree.
He beated Pogacar because MVP was there. The same thing happened with Van Baarle in 2022 RVV.

 

[Netserk]

If you don't, just say you don't agree.
He beated Pogacar because MVP was there. The same thing happened with Van Baarle in 2022 RVV.

was that a yes or a no ?

 

[Brullnux]

Not overrated at all. According to the following site his odds for PR are in middle teens (some sites list him at 30 or 40). Not only Van der Poel & Pogacar (who dominate the odds) but also a few other guys have shorter odds.

https://www.oddschecker.com/cycling/paris-roubaix/winner

This is fair to me. A two/three star outsider. If anything he should be above Vermeersch, as there's no way Vermeersch wins bc Pogacar won't let him – he has a better chance in Flanders, where at least Pogacar has won a few times.

 

[canina82]

was that a yes or a no ?

In general he is overrated, period. If I was expecting that performance from him? No, I wasn't for sure. This year was more in line with my expectations.

 

[Netserk]

In general he is overrated, period. If I was expecting that performance from him? No, I wasn't for sure. This year was more in line with my expectations.

so last year in sanremo he was generally underrated and also underrated by you

how highly rated do you expect him to be for roubaix this year , and what would a correct rating be ?

 

[memyselfandI]

Overrated compared to what? I think he's worth of every gram of his, to Ineos. Was before and is still now as they seem to be back on track winning more races this season already than 2024-2025 He's a domestique par excellence and winning one.

 

[canina82]

so last year in sanremo he was generally underrated and also underrated by you

how highly rated do you expect him to be for roubaix this year , and what would a correct rating be ?

Top10 but not close to win or podium.

 

[Netserk]

Top10 but not close to win or podium.

so he and vermeersch with the same odds and thus the sixth and seventh highest ranked riders makes him correctly rated and not overrated ?

 

[canina82]

so he and vermeersch with the same odds and thus the sixth and seventh highest ranked riders makes him correctly rated and not overrated ?

I can assure you people here in the forum will definitely put Ganna as a top5 rider.

 

[Netserk]

I can assure you people here in the forum will definitely put Ganna as a top5 rider.

as with any average , some people will put him higher and some lower

but by his betting odds , he is not overrated . he is generally very correctly rated

 

[YavorD]

I can assure you people here in the forum will definitely put Ganna as a top5 rider.

But top 5 isn't outrageously high.
If you're top 6-8, top 5 is surely possible, meaning he can't be overrated if someone puts him in top 5
Of course there might be the odd person thinking he is the man to beat, but one person's opinion isn't overrating, I think?

 

[Brullnux]

Top 5 is entirely realistic; a podium is probably his aim; the chance of a win is very, very slim. Outside the top five and I think he will be disappointed (depending on why he isn't top five) – he has come 6th already in the past, and mostly flopped last year as he ran out of legs after a long, full-gas start to the season.

I don't think many people think Ganna is a favourite for Paris-Roubaix; they think he's a strong outsider. Which he uncontroversially is.

 

[canina82]

But top 5 isn't outrageously high.
If you're top 6-8, top 5 is surely possible, meaning he can't be overrated if someone puts him in top 5
Of course there might be the odd person thinking he is the man to beat, but one person's opinion isn't overrating, I think?

Yes, it's true. However, you don't see anyone saying Veermersch will win PR but with Ganna, there is always that odd person.

 

[Netserk]

Yes, it's true. However, you don't see anyone saying Veermersch will win PR but with Ganna, there is always that odd person.

is there ?

and we did see vermeersch say it

HLN had a long interview with Florian Vermeersch. Most of the stuff isn't interesting for this topic, besides 1 thing. They discussed the sportive space, giving riders the possibility to go for their own results and tweak their schedule a bit, and that this works very well for their team, hence the motivation and wins.

In Strade Bianche, MSR and Flanders he has to ride for Pogacar. But that's not the case in Paris-Roubaix, where he can ride for himself. Obviously if he isn't feeling well he will ride for Pogi, but if he thinks he can win himself he can go for his own chances.

Was a bit surprising to me since Roubaix is so important to Pogacar.

It's the only race, according to Florian Vermeersch, where he could actually be better than Pogacar and win from him. During the recon of Roubaix he was able to put Pogacar on the back foot. While during the recon of Flanders it was obviously the other way around.