Teams & Riders Filippo Ganna Discussion Thread

[Devil's Elbow]

Yes, but notorious cobble artists Van der Poel and Van Aert had a combined 3 flats between them as well today.

Mostly I wonder how much room for improvement there is in this by training it more

Pretty sure that Van der Poel had never had a flat at this race before today, it just goes to show how weird random distribution can get that it then happened twice on the same sector in the same year.

 

[Red Rick]

Pretty sure that Van der Poel had never had a flat at this race before today, it just goes to show how weird random distribution can get that it then happened twice on the same sector in the same year.

He had nothing happen in 2023-2025 but I forget if he didn't have some pretty critical mechanicals before that.

Do we consider not racing Roubaix before 2021 a mechanical in the managment room?

 

[AmRacer]

He had nothing happen in 2023-2025 but I forget if he didn't have some pretty critical mechanicals before that.

Do we consider not racing Roubaix before 2021 a mechanical in the managment room?

No, but tactical

 

[Devil's Elbow]

He had nothing happen in 2023-2025 but I forget if he didn't have some pretty critical mechanicals before that.

Do we consider not racing Roubaix before 2021 a mechanical in the managment room?

Corendon weren't invited in 2019, so the mechanical is in the ASO management room.

 

[LookProGoSlow]

Pretty sure that Van der Poel had never had a flat at this race before today, it just goes to show how weird random distribution can get that it then happened twice on the same sector in the same year.

Ehm he had one last year at the Carrefour when Pogi was in the chase.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Pretty sure that Van der Poel had never had a flat at this race before today, it just goes to show how weird random distribution can get that it then happened twice on the same sector in the same year.

He had one last year at Carrefour de l‘Arbre, iirc

 

[Mayomaniac]

He can't ride on the cobbles. He was always at the back of the group.

He's kind of bad at fighting for position before the sectors, he often ends up at the end of the bunch entering the sectors (like Arenberg today). Too heavy for the cobbles is bs IMO, if a 90kg guy like Walscheid has his best cobbles results in Roubaix you don't have that excuse. Also, wasn't Magnus Bäckstedt +90kg too. Being a bigger guy should help your body absorb the wear and tear of the Roubaix cobbles better, even if people try to make it overall easier with wider tires.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Ehm he had one last year at the Carrefour when Pogi was in the chase.

He had one last year at Carrefour de l‘Arbre, iirc

I guess that goes to show how memorable last year's finale was to me...

 

[canina82]

He's kind of bad at fighting for position before the sectors, he often ends up at the end of the bunch entering the sectors (like Arenberg today). Too heavy for the cobbles is bs IMO, if a 90kg guy like Walscheid has his best cobbles results in Roubaix you don't have that excuse. Also, wasn't Magnus Bäckstedt +90kg too. Being a bigger guy should help your body absorb the wear and tear of the Roubaix cobbles better, even if people try to make it overall easier with wider tires.

He doesn't seem to have the endurance too.

 

[Red Rick]

He doesn't seem to have the endurance too.

Happens when you're mega inefficient with your energy, both in positioning and on the cobbles.

 

[canina82]

Happens when you're mega inefficient with your energy, both in positioning and on the cobbles.

So he is/was overrated afterall. He can't win anything except TTs (unless Remco is there) and he's not close to win PR.

 

[Mayomaniac]

So he is/was overrated afterall. He can't win anything except TTs (unless Remco is there) and he's not close to win PR.

He did win DDV and has 2 2nd places in MSR with the Aliens there...

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

I'm surprised at how badly he does on cobble, having won the Junior edition.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

I'm surprised at how badly he does on cobble, having won the Junior edition.

He won the U23 edition, actually.

Ultimately, neither the junior nor the U23 editions are that predictive. The most recent junior winner to top-10 the elite race is Pedersen in 2013, Ganna himself in 2016 is the most recent U23 winner to do likewise. And while that's mainly because most winners don't develop into big names in the pro peloton, it's also true that the only rider to have won both the junior and U23 race remains noted flat cobbles specialist Tom Pidcock.

 

[Red Rick]

He won the U23 edition, actually.

Ultimately, neither the junior nor the U23 editions are that predictive. The most recent junior winner to top-10 the elite race is Pedersen in 2013, Ganna himself in 2016 is the most recent U23 winner to do likewise. And while that's mainly because most winners don't develop into big names in the pro peloton, it's also true that the only rider to have won both the junior and U23 race remains noted flat cobbles specialist Tom Pidcock.

I think cobbles especially just dont have the same effect in lower doses, while in other races am u23 race with the same finale will work out very similar

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

He won the U23 edition, actually.

Ultimately, neither the junior nor the U23 editions are that predictive. The most recent junior winner to top-10 the elite race is Pedersen in 2013, Ganna himself in 2016 is the most recent U23 winner to do likewise. And while that's mainly because most winners don't develop into big names in the pro peloton, it's also true that the only rider to have won both the junior and U23 race remains noted flat cobbles specialist Tom Pidcock.

Sorry, U23.

It's a strange case, like Almeida winning Liège-Bastogne-Liège U23, and as a pro, it seems impossible for Almeida to win a classic due to his poor positioning and diesel profile.