Fleche Wallonne Féminine 2025, One Day Classic, April 23rd

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Don’t know anything about the women in rainy conditions. Any top riders with more or less chances now?
Niewiedoma definitely is a shite weather merchant like Pog. Think Lippert often does pretty good as well. But maybe I'm mixing actually good cold and wet resistance up with just being good on wet descents (which these two excell at).
 
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Nice one!


Pieterse out of the - unfortunately non-existant - Women's Edition of "Most Top-10s without a win".
However, she's still in the - likewise non-existant, for either gender - "Longest streak without being outside Top-10".
 
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Le Court also continues to deliver. I hadn't expected Geurts to be the best Visma rider today. Also a nice top 10 for Vinke, and top 20s for Eline Jansen and Sara Casasola. 12th is too not bad from Kopecky in this race either.
 
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Nice one!


Pieterse out of the - unfortunately non-existant - Women's Edition of "Most Top-10s without a win".
However, she's still in the - likewise non-existant, for either gender - "Longest streak without being outside Top-10".
Also the streak of unnecessary riding hard in front of a big group from too far out.

She waited today and executed it perfectly.
 
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Also the streak of unnecessary riding hard in front of a big group from too far out.

She waited today and executed it perfectly.
I think she usually doesn't want to wait for when sh.t is really going down, because she lacks a bit of power to follow the Vollerings or Kopeckys... that is, before today. Because in the only race on the calendar that is decided by pure power, and power alone, she suddenly wins.

A very popular win, of course, and just utterly deserved. She was simply the strongest.
 
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Also the streak of unnecessary riding hard in front of a big group from too far out.

She waited today and executed it perfectly.

I almost said last night,I fancied Puck if Puck has learnt to not do Puck things, her Amstel form was good,so she could totally win this. but it was almost, a bit like how some of the riders almost made the podium.

but was there another podium beer celebration ? :D
 
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I think she usually doesn't want to wait for when sh.t is really going down, because she lacks a bit of power to follow the Vollerings or Kopeckys... that is, before today. Because in the only race on the calendar that is decided by pure power, and power alone, she suddenly wins.

A very popular win, of course, and just utterly deserved. She was simply the strongest.
Well, yes, it's decided by pure power, but it's about a certain 'type' of power, or power in a specific type of circumstances, which she was more suited to and - as Pantani_lives says, is more conducive to the type of efforts mountain bikers put out, hence why you have people like Langvad on the podium back in 2019, PFP winning in 2014 and Jolanda Neff in the top 10 in 2016. You'd think a "pure" power test would mean seeing the likes of Chloe Dygert winning, and nobody really expects to see her on the podium on the Mur.

The Mur is so often about timing, van der Breggen always said she had her place that she went and she would ignore everybody else until then, because if they went earlier they wouldn't be able to sustain it when she upped the pace, and if they did and they stayed away, there would have been nothing she could have done about it.
 
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Well, yes, it's decided by pure power, but it's about a certain 'type' of power, or power in a specific type of circumstances, which she was more suited to and - as Pantani_lives says, is more conducive to the type of efforts mountain bikers put out, hence why you have people like Langvad on the podium back in 2019, PFP winning in 2014 and Jolanda Neff in the top 10 in 2016. You'd think a "pure" power test would mean seeing the likes of Chloe Dygert winning, and nobody really expects to see her on the podium on the Mur.

The Mur is so often about timing, van der Breggen always said she had her place that she went and she would ignore everybody else until then, because if they went earlier they wouldn't be able to sustain it when she upped the pace, and if they did and they stayed away, there would have been nothing she could have done about it.
The Chloe Dygert example makes no sense, because it's about relative power, as in watts per kg. I do see what you mean though, it's more of an explosive effort, but Van der Breggen and Vollering have made it so hard from the bottom in the last few years that it wasn't really about explosiveness anymore. Today Demi tried to do the same, but still Puck prevailed.

Previously when it was really about raw watts, Puck always came up slightly short. This is the first time, or one of the first, where she just simply was too strong for Vollering. At least I haven't seen that before.
 
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I think what we see is that Demi is beatable. She has never been as dominant a climber as Annemiek or Anna VdB were from 2016 to 2021.
 
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I think what we see is that Demi is beatable. She has never been as dominant a climber as Annemiek or Anna VdB were from 2016 to 2021.

I don't think that is completely accurate. Vollering has won many races by being the strongest climber and could have won even more if she hadn't crashed or given/beeng forced to give victories away to teammates. Also being the strongest climber was not even enough for AVV to win this race.
 
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I don't think that is completely accurate. Vollering has won many races by being the strongest climber and could have won even more if she hadn't crashed or given/beeng forced to give victories away to teammates. Also being the strongest climber was not even enough for AVV to win this race.
Or if her then team had done their job when she crashed.
 
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I think what we see is that Demi is beatable. She has never been as dominant a climber as Annemiek or Anna VdB were from 2016 to 2021.

but she's always been beatable, shes not a machine like a Pog or MvdP who just keep churning out the wins, its why the womens racing scene is much more interesting to watch currently, because on their day some of the riders can be untouchable, but they dont always get their day in the races, Demis more of the sustained climbing efforts stages racer, not the best at these shorter sharper efforts, even then without Puck on her wheel she'd gapped everyone else still.

its just Puck rode the perfect race, well positioned on the start of the Mur, and she said herself she followed Demis wheel and waited and then attacked at the 150m point, which sounds like a preset point theyd decided on from the post race interviews, and on that gradient perfectly timed as the time Demi reacts to that move, shes already effectively gapped and lost the chance for the win, and Puck is known for her explosive power and ability to climb from her MTB/CX, so Demi would have to have done insane watts just to draw level again.
 
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Couldn't believe how overgeared was Princess Demi, especially for a race that she did many times in the past.
For me that tactical decision lost her the win.
Of course, graceful and gallant as always, she congratulated her opponent immediately.
 
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Couldn't believe how overgeared was Princess Demi, especially for a race that she did many times in the past.
For me that tactical decision lost her the win.
Of course, graceful and gallant as always, she congratulated her opponent immediately.
Don't you mean undergeared? Her cadence was way too high when Puck attacked (don't think she could've beaten Puck, she was very strong Today), fun climb though, way more exciting than the Men's.

P.S. Labous also crazy strong doing that full lead out for Vollering and then still ending 7th.
 
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