Floyd to be charged with fraud

[Digger]

Stories as in LIES. Some parts of the english speaking world people refer to LIES as telling stories. YMMV.

Please do not get me caught up in your back and forth.

You said he drestroyed the people around him. That's a big statement. I am asking you to back up that statement, without using the Botany strategy of formulating his sick argument around an already formulated conclusion.
In his demented head, everything, is floyd's fault. No prior history whatsoever is relevant to Botany. No, because he needs to prove a point on the internet, regardless of how distasteful.

 

[BotanyBay]

Or are you trying to say that Floyd did not tell lies to Cover his six back in 2006 up until his email confessions etc? I did not realize you were discussing those facts but hey if you want to contend that Floyd was always telling the truth even to USADA and on then that is up to you.

Digger needs to log-out and back-in again as TheHog.

 

[Digger]

Dummy, the lives I have mentioned previously IS the link. THOSE are the destroyed lives.

And you are the one who has made a sick asusmption that Floyd's doping is the soul fault of this. How do you know that? How do you feel qualified to make that assumption?

 

[Digger]

Digger needs to log-out and back-in again as TheHog.

Sock puppeting is not something I would do over something this serious.

 

[BotanyBay]

You said he drestroyed the people around him. That's a big statement. I am asking you to back up that statement, without using the Botany strategy of formulating his sick argument around an already formulated conclusion.
In his demented head, everything, is floyd's fault. No prior history whatsoever is relevant to Botany. No, because he needs to prove a point on the internet, regardless of how distasteful.

Glenn, this is the sick defense atty trying to force you to put the molested child on the witness stand to face the accused. He won't accept the "destroyed lives" rhetoric until you've physically produced the destroyed lives and forced them to deliver those actual quotes themselves. And then he'll blame YOU for following through with such cruelty.

We're being played by the sickest of tag-teams (if they're even three different people).

 

[thehog]

I'd do it, but by doing so, you'd call me a jerk for making mention of the spouse, a father-in-law and a stepchild.

Yet here you are, egging someone on to do just that? Who is sick and twisted now? (You)

I think I’ve worked you out. I could be wrong but I think it’s you who is suffering from some form of abandonment syndrome. You appear hellbent on telling the world how it’s done you wrong and how other people have behaved badly as a cover for yourself. I get it now. I knew something was up with you. Initially I couldn’t work it out and what I thought was initially just anger is very clear now - it’s a cover. A cover from some form of loss of your own.

I will say there’s one difference between you and Floyd. Floyd was strong enough to realize the mistakes he made and man up and start the long road in telling the truth. You my friend are having a hard time recognizing the vile hate that been coming from within you. You have a long way to go to get anywhere near the strength Landis has shown.

Please seek some help my friend. The world is not that bad of a place. It’s really not.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Listen man no one is as sick on here as you. But the point is that the poster above says that 'Floyd destroyed the people around him'. I said provide me a link to say or prove this is what happened. This material does not exist. People, like you, blaming his father in law's death on floyd, are using sick twisted logic, and using no sympathy towards depression. Shame on you. Yee are using a leap because it suits you on here. Yee have little if no grasp of that aspect of the story and why should yee. It's not fair game.
Yee criticise him for not telling everything yet it doesn't stop yee from making up your own twisted hateful conclusions.

Just once I am going to try and break this down something proper like… etc.

With Floyd’s father in-law taking his own life and then the divorce from his wife, some people were left with the opinion that Floyd’s actions had some negative impact and might have been a factor in these events. These are opinions that other people hold not only BotnayBay. Unfortunately the consequences for lying are not just the pain it will cause you but all the other people involved.

 

[BotanyBay]

And you are the one who has made a sick asusmption that Floyd's doping is the soul fault of this. How do you know that? How do you feel qualified to make that assumption?

Had he and Floyd instead been cris-crossing the country doing talk shows, celebrating the victory, I'm sure he would have done the same thing?

Why don't you direct-dial your obvious connection to heaven and ask him yourself?

 

[Digger]

Had he and Floyd instead been cris-crossing the country doing talk shows, celebrating the victory, I'm sure he would have done the same thing?

Why don't you direct-dial your obvious connection to heaven and ask him yourself?[/QUOTE]

Disgusting. And you say you don't make fun of this issue. You can't help yourself man. You have no morals whatsoever. Sick.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I think I’ve worked you out. I could be wrong but I think it’s you who is suffering from some form of abandonment syndrome. You appear hellbent on telling the world how it’s done you wrong and what other people have behaved badly as a cover for yourself. I get it now. I knew something was up with you. Initially I couldn’t work it out and what I thought was initially just anger it very clear now - it’s a cover. A cover from some form of loss of your own.

I will say there’s one difference between you and Floyd. Floyd was strong enough to realize the mistakes he made and man up and start the long road in telling the truth. You my friend are having a hard time recognizing the vile hate that been coming from within you. You have a long way to go to get anywhere near the strength Landis has shown.

Please seek some help my friend. The world is not that bad of a place. It’s really not.

If you hold the opinion that Floyd destroyed his own marriage due to his lies and also the unfortunate suicide of his in-law this would just be an opinion / one side to a multifaceted story. I would be careful trying to make conclusions on someone’s psychological conditions based on their opinion on a message board (not a chat room as you called it multiple time upthread). Be really careful because I think in my opinion you are overstepping what is considered considerate behavior.

I for one do not think the “man up” has not had its last chapter. There is still one to be written the one where Floyd finally confesses to using Testosterone in 2006 TDF.

 

[Digger]

Just once I am going to try and break this down something proper like… etc.

With Floyd’s father in-law taking his own life and then the divorce from his wife, some people were left with the opinion that Floyd’s actions had some negative impact and might have been a factor in these events. These are opinions that other people hold not only BotnayBay. Unfortunately the consequences for lying are not just the pain it will cause you but all the other people involved.

Floyd's father in law knew about him doping. As did his former wife.

Next please....

 

[Digger]

If you hold the opinion that Floyd destroyed his own marriage due to his lies and also the unfortunate suicide of his in-law this would just be an opinion / one side to a multifaceted story. I would be careful trying to make conclusions on someone’s psychological conditions based on their opinion on a message board (not a chat room as you called it multiple time upthread). Be really careful because I think in my opinion you are overstepping what is considered considerate behavior.

I for one do not think the “man up” has not had its last chapter. There is still one to be written the one where Floyd finally confesses to using Testosterone in 2006 TDF.

He has to confess to something he didn't do, in order to placate you.

And the first part if your post is absolutely the epitome of hypocrisy, as you talk about a line being crossed about considerate behaviour, yet you feel it ok to drag someone's father in law's death, and the possible reasons for this, into the debate. That's sick. And if you are of sane mind, you would agree.

 

[BotanyBay]

I think I’ve worked you out. I could be wrong but I think it’s you who is suffering from some form of abandonment syndrome. You appear hellbent on telling the world how it’s done you wrong and how other people have behaved badly as a cover for yourself. I get it now. I knew something was up with you. Initially I couldn’t work it out and what I thought was initially just anger is very clear now - it’s a cover. A cover from some form of loss of your own.

I will say there’s one difference between you and Floyd. Floyd was strong enough to realize the mistakes he made and man up and start the long road in telling the truth. You my friend are having a hard time recognizing the vile hate that been coming from within you. You have a long way to go to get anywhere near the strength Landis has shown.

Please seek some help my friend. The world is not that bad of a place. It’s really not.

Interesting angle. Use a cruel attack on my psyche to try and elevate your position during a debate. I'll accuse you of being deceitful, but I'll never try and guess the reasons as to why. That's not my place on this earth. Nor is it yours.

So...

Why did Floyd feel the need to make a point about his actually being clean (RE testosterone use) that way during the tour? I mean, what did it really matter? Did he do it for the benefit of the testing system (to make it better)? He copped to being a cheater in so many other ways. So why bother?

Because he needed people to believe that ONE thing. And now, it appears someone (important) does not. It won;t matter what I think. It will matter what the jury will think.

And it won't matter who influenced the decision to bring the charges. And it won't matter that it sucks that Fliyd will be charged while Armstrong walks. And yes, it sucks that Lance can sit at home and relax while Floyd has to go through this. But ask yourself this: Who put Floyd in this position? Lance Armstrong or FLOYD?

Answer correctly and YOU will be on the road to recovery, my friend.

 

[Digger]

Why did Floyd feel the need to make a point about his actually being clean (RE testosterone use) that way during the tour? I mean, what did it really matter? Did he do it for the benefit of the testing system (to make it better)? He copped to being a cheater in so many other ways. So why bother?

Because he needed people to believe that ONE thing. And now, it appears someone (important) does not. It won;t matter what I think. It will matter what the jury will think.

Listen in your head up until a few days ago you didn't even know he admitted doping at all during that tour. Doesn't stop you being an authority on everything else though.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Floyd's father in law knew about him doping. As did his former wife.

Next please....

I am not sure about this statement 100% but you have convinced yourself. Floyd was busted and along with that came MUCH stress all due to Floyd cheating and lying. That is going to cause some stress in your family life. I am different than you about stating something as a 100% fact. I am just going to say that stress is not healthy for him or his family.

There are other people who were under the impression that this TDF bust had something to do with his unfortunate family issues. They all had opinions regardless unless you are them you have no idea.

Now I am going to wait for you to come back with …..links / sources etc.

Next,,,,,,,,,,,, phone slap.

 

[thehog]

Interesting angle. Use a cruel attack on my psyche to try and elevate your position during a debate. I'll accuse you of being deceitful, but I'll never try and guess the reasons as to why. That's not my place on this earth. Nor is it yours.

So...

Why did Floyd feel the need to make a point about his actually being clean (RE testosterone use) that way during the tour? I mean, what did it really matter? Did he do it for the benefit of the testing system (to make it better)? He copped to being a cheater in so many other ways. So why bother?

Because he needed people to believe that ONE thing. And now, it appears someone (important) does not. It won;t matter what I think. It will matter what the jury will think.

I guess you just proved my theory correct - the cover that is. Please get the help you need.

 

[Digger]

I am not sure about this statement 100% but you have convinced yourself. Floyd was busted and along with that came MUCH stress all due to Floyd cheating and lying. That is going to cause some stress in your family life. I am different than you about stating something as a 100% fact. I am just going to say that stress is not healthy for him or his family.

There are other people who were under the impression that this TDF bust had something to do with his unfortunate family issues. They all had opinions regardless unless you are them you have no idea.

Now I am going to wait for you to come back with …..links / sources etc.

Next,,,,,,,,,,,, phone slap.

I know for a fact it's true. Next.

Also the post above is very different in tone to what you previously stated. You hide behind the lines 'other people' in this post. When previously it was clear that you were more definite and sure of yourself.

Listen, call him a liar, a cheat whatever - I can't control you. But bringing that stuff into the debate, lke Botany, is disgusting, in bad taste, and reflects worse on yee than anyone else.

 

[BotanyBay]

Listen in your head up until a few days ago you didn't even know he admitted doping at all during that tour. Doesn't stop you being an authority on everything else though.

Not true. I know he admitted doping during that Tour. And I knew it then (and before). I did read the interview. But, you know, I do take the weekends off (unlike you), so I tend to need a few minutes sometimes. Ask me about the '84 Olympic doping scandal though. I know a LOT about that. Sorta my doping history specific area of interest.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I take no actual pleasure in this. I'll admit to some past "insensitivity" in regards to his situation, but when it was Armstrong that was getting the brunt of my blows, you, Digger and TheHog seemed all too willing to go along with the gags. But now, I've gone contrary to you, so you declare war on my past insensitivity, just to suit your needs in winning the hearts and mind sof the other readers on this thread. And I don't think it's going the way you thought it would.

Seriously - do not even attempt to bring me in to something that I had no interest in.

You actually have some cheek.

You've never shown my point to be incorrect. And Floyd's word is no longer credible. The unfortunate side of these kinds of things is that future credibility is almost forever lost.

Accepting an apology doesn't mean all is good. It doesn't mean they're "square" again. It means that Lemond has heard his apology and said "OK, thanks". The transmission that Landis owed him has been received and acknowledged. Do not confuse the acceptance of an apology with it being considered water under the bridge

Silly me for saying they were square and it was water under the bridge - oh, wait I didn't.

As I pointed out LeMond (not you, although you seem to take it personally) was the victim of Landis and his lies, he believes the apology as sincere and accepted it.

 

[Digger]

Seriously - do not even attempt to bring me in to something that I had no interest in.

You actually have some cheek.



Silly me for saying they were square and it was water under the bridge - oh, wait I didn't.

As I pointed out LeMond (not you, although you seem to take it personally) was the victim of Landis and his lies, he believes the apology as sincere and accepted it.

Botany is the real judge of when people should be forgiven on here. Even when the people in question have moved on!!

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I know for a fact it's true. Next.

Also the post above is very different in tone to what you previously stated. You hide behind the lines 'other people' in this post. When previously it was clear that you were more definite and sure of yourself.

Listen, call him a liar, a cheat whatever - I can't control you. But bringing that stuff into the debate, lke Botany, is disgusting, in bad taste, and reflects worse on yee than anyone else.

No the tone has not changed. I was trying to explain to you what my point of view was.

Now in a previous post I asserted that you could not know certain things unless you were either Floyd or someone on the inside. I guess you have answered that by statements of facts.

I still defend BotanyBay’s opinion. My opinion is fairly close so I am guessing you along with your buds will call me vile and any other made up assumption regarding my character. Feel free because it reflects poorly on you and your buds as well.

 

[BotanyBay]

Had he and Floyd instead been cris-crossing the country doing talk shows, celebrating the victory, I'm sure he would have done the same thing?

Why don't you direct-dial your obvious connection to heaven and ask him yourself?[/QUOTE]

Disgusting. And you say you don't make fun of this issue. You can't help yourself man. You have no morals whatsoever. Sick.

I'm making fun of YOU.

 

[Digger]

Not true. I know he admitted doping during that Tour. And I knew it then (and before). I did read the interview. But, you know, I do take the weekends off (unlike you), so I tend to need a few minutes sometimes. Ask me about the '84 Olympic doping scandal though. I know a LOT about that. Sorta my doping history specific area of interest.

Things you got wrong about Landis. If you are getting this stuff wrong, why do you feel qualified to talk about the really private stuff?

He's been willing to throw Lance under the bus, but no one else. Floyd STILL has the opportunity to spill the entire truth (kimmage-style), yet still chooses selective disclosure, and still to this day remains very tight-lipped.

He was dirty dirty dirty, except for the one month that he decided to "do it clean" and he had the misfortune of winning the TDF?

Answer: You aren't.

 

[BotanyBay]

No the tone has not changed. I was trying to explain to you what my point of view was.

Now in a previous post I asserted that you could not know certain things unless you were either Floyd or someone on the inside. I guess you have answered that by statements of facts.

I still defend BotanyBay’s opinion. My opinion is fairly close so I am guessing you along with your buds will call me vile and any other made up assumption regarding my character. Feel free because it reflects poorly on you and your buds as well.

Thanks Glenn. In their binary world, they will be required to paint you with the same brush. It is mathematical fact.

 

[Digger]

No the tone has not changed. I was trying to explain to you what my point of view was.

Now in a previous post I asserted that you could not know certain things unless you were either Floyd or someone on the inside. I guess you have answered that by statements of facts.

I still defend BotanyBay’s opinion. My opinion is fairly close so I am guessing you along with your buds will call me vile and any other made up assumption regarding my character. Feel free because it reflects poorly on you and your buds as well.

No he's vile. You're just really ill-informed.