Fox News

[Anonymous]

Is it possible that we could all refrain from accusing those who disagree with us of wanting to 'censor' us? That carries about as much intellectual weight as Pee Wee Herman's, "I know YOU are, but what am I?" I was a bit let down by Scott SoCal's charge earlier in this thread that leftists would pull FoxNews from the airwaves if given the chance. I've always considered him one of the more thoughtful conservatives here, with... oh how to describe it... a 'rational man's sensibilities'.

I was a bit let down by Scott SoCal's charge earlier in this thread that leftists would pull FoxNews from the airwaves if given the chance

That was directed to a few on this thread and a very small minority of, and I think I used the term 'committed leftists', very left leaning individuals. I did not intend to paint with a wide brush.

I've always considered him one of the more thoughtful conservatives here, with... oh how to describe it... a 'rational man's sensibilities'.

Glad to hear that. Hopefully you still feel the same.

 

[kielbasa]

Is it possible that we could all refrain from accusing those who disagree with us of wanting to 'censor' us? That carries about as much intellectual weight as Pee Wee Herman's, "I know YOU are, but what am I?" I was a bit let down by Scott SoCal's charge earlier in this thread that leftists would pull FoxNews from the airwaves if given the chance. I've always considered him one of the more thoughtful conservatives here, with... oh how to describe it... a 'rational man's sensibilities'.

Only when it isn't true. But alas, when it comes to that issue, it seems to be a pattern:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-billboard-lands-mexico-man-court-girlfriend/story?id=13783668

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/22/politics/main20045910.shtml

This as OT as I'm willing to take this thread.
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Regarding Scott Socal's charge, it should not be surprising given that it also has been a pattern for a leftist government to suppress opposing political views through censorship and closing of opposition TV stations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6215815.stm

Why Hollywood liberals after having made their fortunes in capitalist America would find Hugo Chavez amiable is beyond me.

 

[redtreviso]

Regarding Scott Socal's charge, it should not be surprising given that it also has been a pattern for a leftist government to suppress opposing political views through censorship and closing of opposition TV stations.

Fox is not opposition.. It is HATE and propaganda.. It flourished the most when Republicans held the presidency and both houses of congress. It is very common to only have FOXNEWS on tvs in public places to show the obedience of the owners of such tvs.. Cheney's advance people used to go around making sure all tvs in his path were tuned to Fox.. Common Republicans are afraid to even question what is said on FOXNEWS. They are probably even afraid their cable company would tell on them for watching anything else. Anyway.. Their underlying message is hate and bigotry more than just political view..Political views are too complex for their moron viewers. It is all about "those people" who might/could/would/do/think about victimizing little scotty.

 

[kielbasa]

Fox is not opposition.. It is HATE and propaganda.. It flourished the most when Republicans held the presidency and both houses of congress. It is very common to only have FOXNEWS on tvs in public places to show the obedience of the owners of such tvs.. Cheney's advance people used to go around making sure all tvs in his path were tuned to Fox.. Common Republicans are afraid to even question what is said on FOXNEWS. They are probably even afraid their cable company would tell on them for watching anything else. Anyway.. Their underlying message is hate and bigotry more than just political view..Political views are too complex for their moron viewers. It is all about "those people" who might/could/would/do/think about victimizing little scotty.

Yup, Scott is right, they would shut it down in a heartbeat. Not because it's an opposing view, but because it's hate and propaganda. Exactly! I should've made that clearer. Thank you. When you put it that way, it doesn't seem that far-fetched anymore.

 

[Anonymous]

Fox is not opposition.. It is HATE and propaganda.. It flourished the most when Republicans held the presidency and both houses of congress. It is very common to only have FOXNEWS on tvs in public places to show the obedience of the owners of such tvs.. Cheney's advance people used to go around making sure all tvs in his path were tuned to Fox.. Common Republicans are afraid to even question what is said on FOXNEWS. They are probably even afraid their cable company would tell on them for watching anything else. Anyway.. Their underlying message is hate and bigotry more than just political view..Political views are too complex for their moron viewers. It is all about "those people" who might/could/would/do/think about victimizing little scotty.

Fox is not opposition.. It is HATE and propaganda..

Says the guy who regularly posts crap from motherjones, dailykos, medimatters et al.

it flourished the most when Republicans held the presidency

It will kick CNN's ass tonight. And tomorrow night. Look at me, I'm predicting the future with 100% certainty.

Cheney's advance people used to go around making sure all tvs in his path were tuned to Fox..

Yes, yes. It's true. Or not. Uh, you got links for this, right? And if it's from the kookosphere then don't bother.

Common Republicans

Hey, look. Red invented a new demographic.

They are probably even afraid their cable company would tell on them for watching anything else.

I'm more afraid of them telling my wife all the porn I order

Their underlying message is hate and bigotry more than just political view

Yes, otherwise the world makes no sense to you. We've covered this.

Political views are too complex for their moron viewers.

100% agree. Which is why you should be very careful when watching Fox.

victimizing little scotty

Have you seen Megyn Kelly? I hope one day to get victimized by her.

 

[VeloCity]

So Fox puts on a broadcast someone who, in most circles, would not be considered right wing and presents something that you (thru your network of experts) feels is misleading and that represents what? Some sort of conspiracy?

Sorry, what? Have you even read anything that Schoen has written? He's as right-wing as they come.

Do you just not even bother to look this stuff up before you post?

Do you not see the irony here?

I see something here, but it ain't irony. Does start with an "i" though, so you're close.

 

[redtreviso]

I see something here, but it ain't irony. Does start with an "i" though, so you're close.

and a more simple word starts with a "d"

 

[Anonymous]

Sorry, what? Have you even read anything that Schoen has written? He's as right-wing as they come.
Do you just not even bother to look this stuff up before you post?

I see something here, but it ain't irony. Does start with an "i" though, so you're close.

I have given you waaaaayyy too much credit. Shame on me.

 

[Anonymous]

and a more simple word starts with a "d"

So, what happened here? You are quoting from me something I didn't write.

What, too much drool on you keyboard? No sweat man, it happens.

 

[VeloCity]

and presents something that you (thru your network of experts) feels is misleading

And "feels" is misleading? Let's have a closer look:

Here's what Schoen wrote in his WSJ editorial along with the actual poll results:

1. A “large majority” support a “radical redistribution of wealth”
Poll result: 4% support a "radical redistribution of wealth"

2. A “large majority” express “opposition to free-market capitalism,”
Poll result: 3% named our "democratic/capitalist system"

I realize that up is down and black is white in bizzaro conservative world, but surely even there 4% and 3% don't constitute a "large majority", right?

 

[Anonymous]

And "feels" is misleading? Let's have a closer look:

Here's what Schoen wrote in his WSJ editorial along with the actual poll results:

1. A “large majority” support a “radical redistribution of wealth”
Poll result: 4% support a "radical redistribution of wealth"

2. A “large majority” express “opposition to free-market capitalism,”
Poll result: 3% named our "democratic/capitalist system"

I realize that up is down and black is white in bizzaro conservative world, but surely even there 4% and 3% don't constitute a "large majority", right?

Yep. Up is down. Schoen is as right wing as they come, your words.

The sun will rise in the west tomorrow.

Like I said. I made a mistake with you. My bad.

 

[VeloCity]

I have given you waaaaayyy too much credit. Shame on me.

um, the guy wrote a book praising the Tea Party. He's a speaker at events organized by David Horowitz. He's praised Andrew Breitbart for the anti-ACORN videos. He's about as much of a leftie as is Sean Hannity.

Seriously, do you not even bother to do any research at all? Maybe ignorance really is bliss.

 

[kielbasa]

um, the guy wrote a book praising the Tea Party. He's a speaker at events organized by David Horowitz. He's praised Andrew Breitbart for the anti-ACORN videos. He's about as much of a leftie as is Sean Hannity.

Seriously, do you not even bother to do any research at all? Maybe ignorance really is bliss.

Maybe he's a lefty who cares about facts on occasion? It's possible isn't it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Schoen

 

[Anonymous]

um, the guy wrote a book praising the Tea Party. He's a speaker at events organized by David Horowitz. He's praised Andrew Breitbart for the anti-ACORN videos. He's about as much of a leftie as is Sean Hannity.

Seriously, do you not even bother to do any research at all? Maybe ignorance really is bliss.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/11/AR2010031102904.html

http://www.douglasschoen.com/douglas_schoen.php

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/doug-schoen

Dr. Schoen was President William Jefferson Clinton's research and strategic consultant during the 1996 reelection, and has been widely credited with creating and effectively communicating the message that turned around the President's political fortunes between 1994 and 1996.

Douglas Schoen is a political strategist and author of the upcoming book Mad as Hell: How the Tea Party Movement is Fundamentally Remaking Our Two-Party System to be published by Harper, an imprint of HarperCollins on September 14. Schoen has worked on numerous campaigns, including those of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Michael Bloomberg, Evan Bayh, Tony Blair, and Ed Koch.

Geez, all right wingers.

Schoen tells Newsmax that the Democrats’ efforts to vilify Rep. Ryan’s Medicare reform plan is a “winning strategy,” noting that a Democratic House candidate won a special election in a traditionally Republican New York district last week by focusing largely on that issue.

“They did win substantially and it was all because of Medicare. They are engaging in scare tactics. They don’t have an alternative set of policies.

“But bottom line, it’s a lot better to win than to lose in politics, and last week the Democrats won and the Republicans lost.”

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/chris-christie-president-democrats/2011/05/31/id/398351

According to Washington Business Forward, PSB's "reputation is largely as a Democratic political polling firm, closely associated with both U.S. President Bill Clinton's administration as well as the Senatorial and Presidential campaign of his wife Hillary. But the firm also worked for Republican Michael Bloomberg in his mayoral bid in New York City, generating huge fees from the multi-millionaire self-financed candidate that caught some press attention during the campaign. ... Major corporate clients over the years have included AT&T, Coca-Cola, American Express, BP, Novartis and Microsoft."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn,_Schoen_%26_Berland

Douglas E. Schoen has been a Democratic campaign consultant for more than thirty years with his firm Penn, Schoen, and Berland Associates. He lives in New York City.

Doug Schoen is one of the most accomplished political scientists in the United States. Mr. Schoen, with former partners Mark Penn and Mike Berlander, pioneered the art and science of modern electioneering, polling, strategy, and messaging. Mr. Schoen has advised hundreds of political candidates and corporations, domestic and international. He cut his teeth running Ed Koch’s successful bid for New York mayor in 1977, and helped Bill Clinton turn his fortunes around after losing Congress in 1994 to secure reelection in 1996. Doug’s last two elections—before he sold his business—were for New York’s twice-elected Mayor, Mike Bloomberg.

http://www.revereadvisors.com/Schoen.htm

Pollster Doug Schoen is the quintessential “Fox News Democrat.” He loosely identifies himself as a Dem, but as someone who’s actively hostile towards Dems and the party’s agenda, Schoen is really only popular as a personality in GOP media. Fox News gets to tout its “balance” by inviting him on the air — Republicans who hate Democrats are joined by Democrats who hate Democrats.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_10/doug_schoen_isnt_helping_his_r032892.php

A hint here: The ONLY way Obama win re-election is if they start listening to Schoen. They might not like what they hear, but it is what it is.

Democrat Doug Schoen Poll: 56% of Americans Want President Barack Obama Fired in 2012
56% of likely voters want Obama to be a one term “One-der”.

My how the times have changed and it took less than two years for America to become fed up with Obama and Democrats

Democrats must break free from their special interest stranglehold

The Democratic Party has become isolated on the left -- having lost critical support from the center and the right. Democratic House candidates lost the independent vote this year by an 18 point margin -- after receiving an 18 point victory among the same voters in 2006 -- while support among moderates declined by substantial margins in both the House and the Senate.

Again, you don't want to hear what he has to say. That's fine, but that does not make him a right winger.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/special-reports/2011/01/special-report-democrats-must-break-free-their-special-interest-stra

 

[Anonymous]

um, the guy wrote a book praising the Tea Party. He's a speaker at events organized by David Horowitz. He's praised Andrew Breitbart for the anti-ACORN videos. He's about as much of a leftie as is Sean Hannity.

Seriously, do you not even bother to do any research at all? Maybe ignorance really is bliss.

He's center left. A life long moderate democrat and this is what he gets.

This is pathetic.

 

[frenchfry]

Have we determined co2 to be toxic? What happens to the photosynthesis process without co2?

At extreme levels co2 is toxic, I get that. But too much water intake can be toxic as well.

Look, there are some very bright people who don't agree on the cause of increasing surface temps. It's difficult to read what the 'naysayers' have to say (while following the money) without real doubt creeping into my mind.

Just for grins, how do we stop emitting co2? How do we stop the coming catastrophe? How do we stop China and India from growing their economies? How do we stop rice production? How do we stop methane escaping to the atmosphere?
You can't solve this by buying carbon off-sets.

Exactly the problem. The entire world wants to emulate our wasteful and polluting lifestyle - my personal opinion is that the end is near. I am not a very bright person though.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

The majority of the discussion at this point really should be taken to the Politics thread. If anyone has anything to discuss about Fox News, or counter media analysis, say so now, or I will close the thread and re-direct everyone to the proper debate place.

 

[redtreviso]

Fox's Faux Democrat

""It's no great shock that "Democrat" Schoen would criticize Obama and the Democrats -- it's what he does to stay relevant and get his daily Fox News hit (he also fundraises for Republicans and lines up speaking gigs at right-wing conferences). What is eyebrow-raising, however, is just how awful Schoen's analysis of Occupy Wall Street is, even for someone known for vacuous and absurd political commentary.""

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201110180009

 

[Amsterhammer]

Only when it isn't true. But alas, when it comes to that issue, it seems to be a pattern:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/abortion-billboard-lands-mexico-man-court-girlfriend/story?id=13783668

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/22/politics/main20045910.shtml

This as OT as I'm willing to take this thread.
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Regarding Scott Socal's charge, it should not be surprising given that it also has been a pattern for a leftist government to suppress opposing political views through censorship and closing of opposition TV stations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6215815.stm

Why Hollywood liberals after having made their fortunes in capitalist America would find Hugo Chavez amiable is beyond me.

This is the kind of post that perfectly demonstrates the soggy toilet paper for brains approach of someone who chooses to watch, and believe, what Fox News tells them. Laughable and pathetic.

Your anti-abortion soapbox has no place here and has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion. A typical right-wing red herring. I had a look at the film in your signature link. I knew where the film maker was coming from as soon as he started referring to abortions as the "murder" of "babies". His link from the Holocaust to abortion was also extremely distateful. Your two other links above also have nothing whatsoever to do with the reasons why sane, rational, thinking people have an intense disgust for everything that FN stands for. Your Hugo Chavez link from 2006 is equally mystifying - wtf does that have to do with FN?

Fox is not opposition.. It is HATE and propaganda..

For once, Red's hyperbole is warranted. FN is a purveyor of misinformation, disinformation, distortion, omission, half-truths, and downright LIES. Much of its 'commentary' appears to consist of shouting down and bullying. By comparison with any other news organization in the western world, FN is the lowest, shabbiest, and most shameful common denominator.The fact that it has the kind of audience share that it does, simply confirms the sad fact that there are an astonishing number of very stupid right wingers in the US who, sadly, are too ignorant or disinterested to find out real facts for themselves and are happy to accept as gospel every word of the appalling sh!t that FN serves up as so-called news and commentary.

Here are some examples (duplicates in part) where I can personally testify to the lies and distortions that FN presents as "facts".

"Amsterdam is a cesspool of crime and corruption....." Oh, how we laughed! Pot, kettle, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKuJvYh6h9I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTPsFIsxM3w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpU0NxPhA78&feature=related

 

[VeloCity]

A hint here: The ONLY way Obama win re-election is if they start listening to Schoen. They might not like what they hear, but it is what it is.

The same Schoen who wrote an opinion piece urging Obama not to run for re-election in 2012? Yeah, we should listen to him, I'm sure he's got both the Dem's and Obama's best interests at heart.

A hint here: The ONLY way Obama wins re-election is if one of those Republicans participating in the debate last night runs against him. There's not enough brains among that group to run a small town, let alone the country.

Again, you don't want to hear what he has to say. That's fine, .

um, I've pointed out repeatedly how Schoen misrepresents his own poll results by claiming that 4% and 3% are a "large majority" of respondents. Which you so far have simply danced around. I don't think I'm the one who's ignoring what he is, in fact, actually saying.

So I'll ask again: how would you explain that 4% and 3% represent, as Schoen writes, a "large majority" of respondents, if it's not being deliberately misleading? And why is it that, in that WSJ piece, Schoen includes his polling data for just about every other point except when he talks about those two?

Then again, he's a Fox News man, so maybe we shouldn't be surprised that he's lying.

but that does not make him a right winger

A guy who goes on Sean Hannity's show and agrees with everything Hannity and Breitbart say about Obama and the Democrats? Yeah, he's a moderate all right.

 

[Anonymous]

The same Schoen who wrote an opinion piece urging Obama not to run for re-election in 2012? Yeah, we should listen to him, I'm sure he's got both the Dem's and Obama's best interests at heart.

A hint here: The ONLY way Obama wins re-election is if one of those Republicans participating in the debate last night runs against him. There's not enough brains among that group to run a small town, let alone the country.

um, I've pointed out repeatedly how Schoen misrepresents his own poll results by claiming that 4% and 3% are a "large majority" of respondents. Which you so far have simply ignored. I don't think I'm the one who doesn't want to hear what he is, in fact, actually saying.

A guy who goes on Sean Hannity's show and agrees with everything Hannity and Breitbart say about Obama and the Democrats? Yeah, he's a moderate all right.

The same Schoen who wrote an opinion piece urging Obama not to run for re-election in 2012? Yeah, we should listen to him, I'm sure he's got both the Dem's and Obama's best interests at heart.

He and Caddell actually believe there is virtually no chance for BO. They want a dem in the oval office because they are democrats. Shocking.

A hint here: The ONLY way Obama wins re-election is if one of those Republicans participating in the debate last night runs against him. There's not enough brains among that group to run a small town, let alone the country.

To use your words.. "ignoance is bliss". Good luck with that.

um, I've pointed out repeatedly how Schoen misrepresents his own poll results by claiming that 4% and 3% are a "large majority" of respondents. Which you so far have simply ignored. I don't think I'm the one who doesn't want to hear what he is, in fact, actually saying.

No, you are parroting your network of "experts". BTW, a pollster spinning data? OMG, really?

A guy who goes on Sean Hannity's show and agrees with everything Hannity and Breitbart say about Obama and the Democrats? Yeah, he's a moderate all right

Uh, I'll place a bet that Schoen does not agree with everything Hannity or Breitbart believes. Say a case of your favorite beer?

You say he's a right winger. There's a mountain of data to suggest he is in fact not. Yet you refuse to believe the available data. Sound familiar?

 

[Boeing]

It doesn't matter.

The open minded left would censor this in a millisecond if they could.

Fox ratings are... um, well let's just say there are a lot of people who watch Fox and I'm pretty sure this just drives the left bat shyt. That and it is a common theme on the left to think and believe everyone with an opposing view is an idiot.

It think you have it backwards

Scott for a guy with a good whit you tend to fall prey to the simple black and white argument.

Fox news approach is that of a Star Wars movie. good vs evil sprinkle in a little morality...blah blah blah.

 

[VeloCity]

Look, there are some very bright people who don't agree on the cause of increasing surface temps. It's difficult to read what the 'naysayers' have to say (while following the money) without real doubt creeping into my mind.

BS. You simply choose to ignore that there's broad consensus and agreement (and that there's broad consensus and agreement not because they just say so, but because of overwhelming evidence) and instead focus on the fringe elements, most of whom aren't even climatologists.

 

[frenchfry]

BS. You simply choose to ignore that there's broad consensus and agreement (and that there's broad consensus and agreement not because they just say so, but because of overwhelming evidence) and instead focus on the fringe elements, most of whom aren't even climatologists.

To be fair to Scott, he is only doing what 99.99% of the "rich" countries population does, that is ignore the obvious regarding the negative effect of our wasteful and polluting lifestyle. While everyone justifies the status quo (my SUV is bigger than your SUV) and waits for concensus on the state of the degradation of the planet it will be too late to do anything. Collective ignorance justifies individual selfishness.

I don't need experts to tell me something is seriously wrong, it is right there to see.

 

[kielbasa]

This is the kind of post that perfectly demonstrates the soggy toilet paper for brains approach of someone who chooses to watch, and believe, what Fox News tells them. Laughable and pathetic.

Your anti-abortion soapbox has no place here and has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion. A typical right-wing red herring. I had a look at the film in your signature link. I knew where the film maker was coming from as soon as he started referring to abortions as the "murder" of "babies". His link from the Holocaust to abortion was also extremely distateful. Your two other links above also have nothing whatsoever to do with the reasons why sane, rational, thinking people have an intense disgust for everything that FN stands for. Your Hugo Chavez link from 2006 is equally mystifying - wtf does that have to do with FN?



For once, Red's hyperbole is warranted. FN is a purveyor of misinformation, disinformation, distortion, omission, half-truths, and downright LIES. Much of its 'commentary' appears to consist of shouting down and bullying. By comparison with any other news organization in the western world, FN is the lowest, shabbiest, and most shameful common denominator.The fact that it has the kind of audience share that it does, simply confirms the sad fact that there are an astonishing number of very stupid right wingers in the US who, sadly, are too ignorant or disinterested to find out real facts for themselves and are happy to accept as gospel every word of the appalling sh!t that FN serves up as so-called news and commentary.

Here are some examples (duplicates in part) where I can personally testify to the lies and distortions that FN presents as "facts".

"Amsterdam is a cesspool of crime and corruption....." Oh, how we laughed! Pot, kettle, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKuJvYh6h9I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTPsFIsxM3w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpU0NxPhA78&feature=related

I appreciate your high level of rational discourse. Have a nice day.