To summarise. Some Brits are pleased "their" team has won loads of medals. Others (including some French people) are not?
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jamiephillips said:To summarise. Some Brits are pleased "their" team has won loads of medals. Others (including some French people) are not?
Izzy eviel said:This forum is funny. I love how when a British person wins or does well it's either cheating or doping , yada yada yada
But when an American wins or an Italian or Spanish or German or Kazah, it's because they're brilliant and honest sportsperson, train hard and they would never resort to cheating or doping.
Mr Pumpy said:Well that's not entirely fair, Izzy, you've got all sorts of people here finding an outlet for their prejudices, however deeply sublimated they may be, and who are you to deny them that????
JimmyFingers said:It says much for the French that they level this sort of innuendo considering their lead sprinter has 'served' a ban for missing 3 tests. As someone more vociferous than me asserted here, 3 missed tests equals someone doping. Correct me if I'm wrong.
As for French preparation, isn't it true the French have no World standard indoor velodromes? While we have 4. Maybe there are your magic wheels, instead of training on an outdoor track like the French.
While I respect your experience, I do think that doping levels in the pro-peloton are a good way south of what is generally opinionated here, but a good way north of what joe public think.
At best it is the pot calling the kettle black
Izzy eviel said:This forum is funny. I love how when a British person wins or does well it's either cheating or doping , yada yada yada
But when an American wins or an Italian or Spanish or German or Kazah, it's because they're brilliant and honest sportsperson, train hard and they would never resort to cheating or doping.
BroDeal said:The above is what is funny. It is obvious that you and your kind have not spent any time reading the forum. You read a thread or two that does not match your world view, don't bother reading anything else, then just make stuff up about what the forum is like. Admit it, dude. You have absolutely no clue about how the forum views Americans, Kazakhs, Spanish, or anything else. In fact this goes beyond being clueless. When someone manufactures stuff like this out of whole cloth it can only be called lying. You are a liar.
Mr Pumpy said:Funnily enough, French team’s technical director, Isabelle Gautheron, said of the incident that “you have to make the most of the rules. You have to play with them in a competition and no one should complain about that,”
So that's a big STFU from the team that were 'cheated' by the British
LugHugger said:[/B]
Myth. Supplying and organising doping are jailable offences, use of ped's alone is not.
piemonster said:As some measure of defense, if you have only been on the forum a few months (amusingly July for myself) it is very easy to see a lot of stuff that can be perceived as being 'anti-British'.
And that included myself, however. After trawling through the depths of the clinic I have come to a far more balanced view and offence is no longer taken. The false perception has far more to do with the success enjoyed by Team DB... sorry GB, dammit Sky.
I think the only real gripe I would have with the clinic is, 'what is it actually achieving other than discussion?' Asides from providing me with amusement at easily offended folk.
Being caught for doping on french soil means that athlete would have to explain how he did it, where he bought his PED, how did he learn to dope, his doping regim ... If he cannot do so or try to hide something, he is suspected as part of a doping ring.LugHugger said:[/B]
Myth. Supplying and organising doping are jailable offences, use of ped's alone is not.
Mellow Velo said:She could hardly take any other stance, given that Michael Bougain climbed off after just 5kms of the road race, to go ride the keirin.
As for Germany and Forsterman. He didn't even bother to turn up for the mountain bike race, since he'd already finished his track program.
No medal to defend from a DQF, I suppose.
Certainly intentional and neither nation played fair, but that's as far as it goes.
Same for GB team sprint, despite what others wish to believe.
O yeah.dadane said:Re: Magic Wheels
...that teams must be using commercially available product...
Darryl Webster said:Might I suggest you spend a few days researching ( cus that's how long it will take to get even a rudimentary understanding ) the effects of modern doping practices, detection rates , % gains, equipment gains V athletic gains, history on the subject and how the bulk of doping is outside of competition.
That Sky @ BC are coming under a great deal of scrutiny should come as no surprise as there currently dominating on road and track. This scrutiny does NOT however mean peeps think those close behind are therefore clean but rather that the suspicion is there regimen is proving the "best".
IMHO doping is as widespread as ever but just not as excessive as the wild west period of Riis, Pantani and Armstrong.
The EPO deaths were not good PR..the bio passport was therefore implemented to reduce the excess. A sceptic like myself views it as an aid to doping safely not a deterrent.
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For me, as a Brit, there is no " us" in this. The issue of doping in elite sports crosses all nationalities and in no way do those nationalities define any differences in attitude. Be it Brits, French, German,American or any other nation the tendency is for some people to jump to defend there athletes and use the national culture or character card. A totally hollow defense with zero merit. To the extent that fellow Brits have used this card they have brought upon themselves a waive of criticism .JimmyFingers said:While I acknowledge your superior understanding of doping practises I am sceptical in turn as to how widespread it is these days, and I wary of falling into the trap of simply condemning successful or improved athletes as dopers. there is a danger of denigrating clean athletes success and all the sacrifice and work they put it into it.
And there has been discussion of an anti-British sentiment here in the clinic. While there is claim of impartial and objective scrutiny of all athletes, there has been a lot of threads about British riders and athletes recently. Yes I appreciate that is down to their recent success, but too often those threads have degenerated into attacks on our culture and national character (witness the 'why I will Never Support a British Team' thread, using stereotypes and ignorant assumption to sneer at us. And our athletes are clearly getting more focus than others, for example Ed Clancy, a bronze medalist in the Omnium over the guy that won it, who in the points raced crashed and then managed to take a lap all on his own. I don't see his power outputs being discussed.
Darryl Webster said:For me, as a Brit, there is no " us" in this. The issue of doping in elite sports crosses all nationalities and in no way do those nationalities define any differences in attitude. Be it Brits, French, German,American or any other nation the tendency is for some people to jump to defend there athletes and use the national culture or character card. A totally hollow defense with zero merit. To the extent that fellow Brits have used this card they have brought upon themselves a waive of criticism .
It is NOT a issue of nationality in any way. It is simply an issue of credibility and given the history in elite sport that has shown, time an time again, whenever any team , in any athletic sport that domination has, so often ,been shown to be the product of elicit practice. For Brits to express dismay at the criticism rather than fully address the question marks over performances with FULL transparency only pours fuel on the fire.