French Teams Don't Dope

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Sep 9, 2009
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AG2R in the Giro.

Stage win, two men in top 10 performing very strongly in big mountain stages - both French.

So...

Option A - doping is less prevalent, or now offers a lower benefit than it did before the bio-passport, so clean frenchmen have half a chance.

Or,

Option B - Frogs are on the sauce too.

Your votes please.
 
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I wouldn't trust those 2 particular guys.

And I wouldn't use a performance of 2 riders (okay 3 with Voeckler) to try to guess what the whole country of riders is doing.
 
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roundabout said:
I wouldn't trust those 2 particular guys.

And I wouldn't use a performance of 2 riders (okay 3 with Voeckler) to try to guess what the whole country of riders is doing.

Just a bit of fun - there's a slight clash of two prevailing orthodoxies, and I'm interested to see which is strongest in this instance.
 
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The man who was 'The next President of France', DSK, says do it if it feels good, and damn the consequences.

French tolerance just dropped a point or two. Watch out for backlash against cycling, especially in the Armstrong aftermath.

Dave.
 
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D-Queued said:
The man who was 'The next President of France', DSK, says do it if it feels good, and damn the consequences.

French tolerance just dropped a point or two. Watch out for backlash against cycling, especially in the Armstrong aftermath.

Dave.

Not sure you've been following the French reaction - as far as I can work out from Le Monde, DSK is the victim...
 
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Yes the poor man was shown on tv like a common person suspected of a crime...och, das tut mir aber leid für ihn^^
 
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I don't doubt that there are a few French riders at least who dope, and Gadret, Voeckler, Fedrigo, and others, could be among these. Whether this happens with the knowledge and consent of the DSs, is difficult to determine.

I am pretty convinced, however, that there is no structural doping program (a la Liberty Seguros, US Postal, Telekom etc.) in place in any of the French teams.
 
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Moondance said:
I don't doubt that there are a few French riders at least who dope, and Gadret, Voeckler, Fedrigo, and others, could be among these. Whether this happens with the knowledge and consent of the DSs, is difficult to determine.

I am pretty convinced, however, that there is no structural doping program (a la Liberty Seguros, US Postal, Telekom etc.) in place in any of the French teams.

+1 sums up my own view
 
Aug 18, 2010
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Von Mises said:
+1 sums up my own view

Yes, broadly speaking mine too. I don't think that there's an in house program at any of the major French teams - if there is, they are taking a huge risk and it has to be said getting a very poor return on their money.

On the other hand, in a country with such a huge number of professional cyclists, there is absolutely no chance that all are clean.
 
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OP said:
Option A - doping is less prevalent, or now offers a lower benefit than it did before the bio-passport, so clean frenchmen have half a chance.

Or,

Option B - Frogs are on the sauce too.

I went for Option A because I would agree that some riders are not doping (not limited to French nationality) and that I have the strong impression of a two-speed peloton. For me, the most interesting races to watch are the ***-small races. :)