Froome is Sky's best chance to win Le Tour

[blackcat]

put time into a'lott'a' quality

1 Tony Martin (Ger) HTC-Highroad 0:55:54
2 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:59
3 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:01:22
4 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) Leopard Trek 0:01:27
5 Taylor Phinney (USA) BMC Racing Team 0:01:33
6 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Leopard Trek 0:01:37
7 Tiago Machado (Por) Team RadioShack 0:01:54
8 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Team RadioShack 0:01:56
9 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil (Spa) Rabobank Cycling Team 0:02:02
10 Maxime Monfort (Bel) Leopard Trek 0:02:06
11 Fredrik Kessiakoff (Swe) Pro Team Astana 0:02:18
12 Nelson Oliveira (Spa) Team RadioShack 0:02:19
13 Denis Menchov (Rus) Geox-TMC
14 Stuart O'Grady (Aus) Leopard Trek 0:02:20
15 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:02:24

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

put time into a'lott'a' quality

time?? he barely wins 30 seconds over other gc men. that's nothing in the mountains

 

[airstream]

I think so as well. As Andy's fan I almost have no fear in regard to Wiggins, and think he can't combine equally good TT and climbing skills. Froome is a real danger for all his weirdness and the only splash of form so far. Hm, maybe Sky management would better remove Froome from the Tour in order to save Wiggins' chance, what you think?

 

[Gloin22]

Criterium International, Ardennes, Dauphine... that's it

Goddammit Froome, this is what I get for putting you on my CQ team?

I don't know the whole schedule. I am certain he's going to ride Pais Vasco as prep for Ardennes, Vuelta a Burgos and be the leader at Vuelta. As well as that he can do well at Worlds too, so I think he can get a lot of more points. He's also a certain for Tour imo.

 

[Climeon]

I remember reading that froome was set to be the paris nice leader ahead of wiggins before his chest infection, so I'd say that Froome has an empty-looking calander becasue his peak was paris nice and he's missed it

 

[Froome19]

time?? he barely wins 30 seconds over other gc men. that's nothing in the mountains

Only over the GC men who can TT, how much did he put into cobo for example?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Only over the GC men who can TT, how much did he put into cobo for example?

1:30 and that was nothing in the vuelta and only after 11 days. final itt would only be less in wiggins advantage and the gc man that can itt are going to be his opponents anyway and cobo is one of them. but a guy like samuel sanchez. wiggins should be lucky if he can pull in 1:00 - 1:30 combined in itt's to him. sanchez will take minutes from wiggins in the climbs for sure

 

[Gloin22]

I remember reading that froome was set to be the paris nice leader ahead of wiggins before his chest infection, so I'd say that Froome has an empty-looking calander becasue his peak was paris nice and he's missed it

What ? Wiggins was the one peaking for it all along, he himself said. PN peak. Volta, Romandie, Dauphine and Tour peak. I am 100% sure Froome didnt peak for PN.

 

[Climeon]

What ? Wiggins was the one peaking for it all along, he himself said. PN peak. Volta, Romandie, Dauphine and Tour peak. I am 100% sure Froome didnt peak for PN.

IT seems unlikely that Sky would have two leaders peaking for the same race, but one of the palces on which I saw this was on these forums

 

[Froome19]

What ? Wiggins was the one peaking for it all along, he himself said. PN peak. Volta, Romandie, Dauphine and Tour peak. I am 100% sure Froome didnt peak for PN.

Yeh because he had a chest infection since Algarve but he was sure going to and be the leader at that, after Algarve though when it became probable that Froome wasnt going to race, Wiggins took up the reigns and started hyping himself for P-N. Previous to that Wiggins had said he was going to help froome but only because he knew he would need the favours come july

1:30 and that was nothing in the vuelta and only after 11 days. final itt would only be less in wiggins advantage and the gc man that can itt are going to be his opponents anyway and cobo is one of them. but a guy like samuel sanchez. wiggins should be lucky if he can pull in 1:00 - 1:30 combined in itt's to him. sanchez will take minutes from wiggins in the climbs for sure

time is time nevertheless and anyway it is more than the 30 secs you said.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

yeah but to guys like menchov and samu I meant no.

 

[airstream]

Samuel Sanchez is a totally dependent man in the mountains and unable to ride away himself, being a serious threat in GC. What minutes are you talking about? Or you seriously think he will be able to keep up with Andy till the end?

 

[Froome19]

Samuel Sanchez is a totally dependent man in the mountains and unable to ride away himself, being a serious threat in GC. What minutes are you talking about? Or you seriously think he will be able to keep up with Andy till the end?

Sanchez unable to ride away? I wonder how he won his stage last year then...
The minutes are the minutes that froome will get over the rest of the field in the TT (up to debate the extent not that he gain some time)
Btw Andy has got nothing to do with this

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Samuel Sanchez is a totally dependent man in the mountains and unable to ride away himself, being a serious threat in GC. What minutes are you talking about? Or you seriously think he will be able to keep up with Andy till the end?

HAHAHAHAHAH. troll

 

[airstream]

Sanchez unable to ride away? I wonder how he won his stage last year then...
The minutes are the minutes that froome will get over the rest of the field in the TT (up to debate the extent not that he gain some time)
Btw Andy has got nothing to do with this

Do you seriously think they could have let him go if he was aproximately equal to Evans and the Schlecks in GC? The Vuelta sample Froome may win the Tour, though, it's hard to reason. He can be prepared the same way but it won't be enough.

HAHAHAHAHAH. troll

I was specifying "being a serious threat in GC". Refute my opinion. Some examples of attacking initiative from Sanchez on the climbs, ah?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Samuel Sanchez is a totally dependent man in the mountains and unable to ride away himself, being a serious threat in GC. What minutes are you talking about? Or you seriously think he will be able to keep up with Andy till the end?

Do you remember the Col de la Madeleine in 2010? Schleck and Contador off the front, and Samuel the nearest to them. Was he as good as them? No. But he nearly caught on the descent; if Andy was alone he'd have made contact simply because he's a better TTer than Andy, but instead Andy and Contador could put time into him riding together.

Did he ride away from Andy and Alberto? No. But he rode away from everybody else.

 

[Froome19]

Do you seriously think they could have let him go if he was aproximately equal to Evans and the Schlecks in GC? The Vuelta sample Froome may win the Tour, though, it's hard to reason. He can be prepared the same way but it won't be enough.

He went and thats all that matters, a less attacking rider wouldnt have gone.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Do you seriously think they could have let him go if he was aproximately equal to Evans and the Schlecks in GC? The Vuelta sample Froome may win the Tour, though, it's hard to reason. He can be prepared the same way but it won't be enough.


I was specifying "being a serious threat in GC". Refute my opinion. Some examples of attacking initiative from Sanchez on the climbs, ah?

what are you talking about. he constantly attacked and stayd away in attacks on climbs in all of his big gc endeavours. his vuelta for instance where he won 3 stages in final week and nearly took the gc in 2007. also tour 2010 and 2011. if you can beat or be on level of contador and andy schleck you are going to destroy wiggins. he is actually type of ride rthat once he attacks he rides away from his opponents. not the explosive type but more diesel and incredibly effective

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Plus Samuel Sanchez' Pais Vasco stage wins when he was definately a danger man in the GC and still won.

Seriously, anyone doubting Sanchez can ride away as gc man.. well, check again

 

[airstream]

Do you remember the Col de la Madeleine in 2010? Schleck and Contador off the front, and Samuel the nearest to them. Was he as good as them? No. But he nearly caught on the descent; if Andy was alone he'd have made contact simply because he's a better TTer than Andy, but instead Andy and Contador could put time into him riding together.

Did he ride away from Andy and Alberto? No. But he rode away from everybody else.

Well, probably I сomplicate everything, but, again, definitely it wouldn't have happened if Schleck and Contador hadn't fired then because as a matter of fact Samu's manner in the mountains is wait and survival. As far as I understand we are saying about "minutes" at large, isolately from Schleck and the others. I just don't see how Sanchez is able to gain so much time on the climbs, relying on himself, not on anyone else.

He went and thats all that matters, a less attacking rider wouldnt have gone

Yea, by and large only the final outcome matters and yet certain circumstances favoured that breakaway and exactly these circumstances is a key point in this discussion as being a threat he even couldn't think of budging on the descent from Tourmalet.

In terms of Le Tour, the fact that someone got away on the 2007 Vuelta and the Tour of the Basque Country characterizes its climbing capacities quite indirectly. Though my stance is mostly about dependence and attacking initiative. I'm not questioning Samu's climbing class.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Well, probably I сomplicate everything, but, again, definitely it wouldn't have happened if Schleck and Contador hadn't fired then because as a matter of fact Samu's manner in the mountains is wait and survival. As far as I understand we are saying about "minutes" at large, isolately from Schleck and the others. I just don't see how Sanchez is able to gain so much time on the climbs, relying on himself, not on anyone else.

I understand you're an Andy Schleck fan, so I've decided to limit myself only to attacks during Le Tour.

Perhaps you remember this?

Or this (Sánchez was the first to attack)?

Or, since those occurred while Andy was still in his slumber, and hadn't woke up for the last five days of the race, perhaps you forgot about those, so maybe you can remember this?

 

[greenedge]

I don't know the whole schedule. I am certain he's going to ride Pais Vasco as prep for Ardennes, Vuelta a Burgos and be the leader at Vuelta. As well as that he can do well at Worlds too, so I think he can get a lot of more points. He's also a certain for Tour imo.

He should also do the Olympic ITT if Millar can't/ Dowsett will probably not do the TDF.

 

[airstream]

I understand you're an Andy Schleck fan, so I've decided to limit myself only to attacks during Le Tour.

Perhaps you remember this?

Or this (Sánchez was the first to attack)?

Or, since those occurred while Andy was still in his slumber, and hadn't woke up for the last five days of the race, perhaps you forgot about those, so maybe you can remember this?

We are saying about a bit different things. I'm not denying the fact he can gain time on the climbs. But while total resistance and equality of chances in GC, a complete attack is far more difficult task. By the way, also we can record in his asset 10 sec on Ax-3-Domaines.

Apparently, if someone loses 5 minutes on flat and then wins back 3 from the gap, we will consider him an indisputable Tour favourite, who is able to put into "minutes" on the climbs. No doubt had Sanchez threatened top-3 the opponents would have treated him in a completely different way. Only don't reproach me for dislike of Sanchez. I guess he is 4-5 contender for the win.

 

[richtea]

1:30 and that was nothing in the vuelta and only after 11 days. final itt would only be less in wiggins advantage and the gc man that can itt are going to be his opponents anyway and cobo is one of them. but a guy like samuel sanchez. wiggins should be lucky if he can pull in 1:00 - 1:30 combined in itt's to him. sanchez will take minutes from wiggins in the climbs for sure

Wiggins took more than 2 minutes out of Sanchez in the TT on stage 19 of the 2010 TDF, and more than 3 minutes out of him in the Dauphine TT last year. Its not conclusive, but I think Wiggins' TT advantage is bigger than you suggest.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Wiggins took more than 2 minutes out of Sanchez in the TT on stage 19 of the 2010 TDF, and more than 3 minutes out of him in the Dauphine TT last year. Its not conclusive, but I think Wiggins' TT advantage is bigger than you suggest.

the 2010 tdf sanchez had crashed 2 days befopre the final timetrial, that's why he lost so much there. and the dauphinee? who cares. sanchez didn't ride that to win unlike wiggins