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[veji11]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/leaking-of-chris-froome-salbutamol-case-is-a-blow-to-cyclings-reputation-says-british-cycling-ceo/

Where to start with that? Then they wonder why people think BC is a shower of ****

This is pathetic and terrifying.. no wonder many look at the british cycling / sky ensemble like a tax-evasion-specialist-lawyered up version of the DDR swimming federation... With their astounding results in the last 10 years in cycling, out of basically thin air, culminating with multiple tour wins AND a trampling of the olympic games only ever achieved by east german swimmers, they sure look like a very clever bunch who just used all possible not too illegal tricks (aka the very useful grey area...) to win. And they whine that things deep in that grey area are being exposed while they should have remained invisible...

At this rate we will learn that all their track cyclists had thyroid problems between 9 and 3 months before the olympics.. "all legal, just medical problems, shouldn't have been made public, really not fair play to leak that..."

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.

 

[pastronef]

Re:

Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.

yep, he crashed yesterday, posted a pic on instagram, jersey ripped

 

[glassmoon]

Re:

Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.

How is it clinic related?
Unless he crashed while reaching for his inhaler

 

[rick james]

Re:

Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.

Yesterday's news I'm afraid..

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.

How is it clinic related?
Unless he crashed while reaching for his inhaler

he OD on asthma treatment and it made him go blind, that's why he crashed...

I'm bagging that one

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Apologies all round guys
on all counts.
sleeping on the job sorry

 

[red_flanders]

Pretty interesting and enlightening comments. In an interview on this site. By Katie Compton. If you have followed her career. She has been an asthmatic. And has had many big races where she had sub par results due to it. She is arguably the greatest women CX rider ever. Definitely in the USA.

Really worth a read. Sheds a lot of light on what a TRUE asthmatic deals with as a PRO Rider.
IMHO

An asthmatic is an asthmatic but it's obvious her condition is more chronic than Froome's and probably not just exercise induced.

It’s not obvious to me that Froome even has asthma, let alone that I know how serious it is or isn’t. Not sure how the severity of his alleged condition could be obvious to anyone. I mean unless you take what Froome says at face value, which has been proven to be folly, so I assume no one would simply accept his story.

You’re a veritable Telepathology Clinic, R.F.

FFS ...

If that's your best effort to respond to my comments, I'll suggest that I'm unswayed by your...argument.

 

[hfer07]

Re: Re:

Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.

How is it clinic related?
Unless he crashed while reaching for his inhaler

Froome has racked up 2,000 kilometres since arriving in South Africa after Christmas. He has ridden every day so far in January, hitting 150km on all but two outings.

There was no sign of a hangover on New Year's Day as he covered 157km in an interval session. The following day he clocked 200km, switching between his road, time trial, and mountain bikes. There have been just two recovery rides out of the 11 days of riding this year, and he has made a habit of heading out early in the mornings.

His longest ride came on January 7 when he rode 224.5km at an average speed of a shade under 38km/h - in the region of the speed at which Tour de France stages of similar length could be expected to be completed.


Fact is that South Africa does not have a credited WADA lab to begin with, and yet, He's capable of putting such kilometers in his legs already? and BTW- Is Froome being "motopaced" or is the "motor" pacing his rides?

 

[pastronef]

Re: Re:

Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.

How is it clinic related?
Unless he crashed while reaching for his inhaler

Froome has racked up 2,000 kilometres since arriving in South Africa after Christmas. He has ridden every day so far in January, hitting 150km on all but two outings.

There was no sign of a hangover on New Year's Day as he covered 157km in an interval session. The following day he clocked 200km, switching between his road, time trial, and mountain bikes. There have been just two recovery rides out of the 11 days of riding this year, and he has made a habit of heading out early in the mornings.

His longest ride came on January 7 when he rode 224.5km at an average speed of a shade under 38km/h - in the region of the speed at which Tour de France stages of similar length could be expected to be completed.


Fact is that South Africa does not have a credited WADA lab to begin with, and yet, He's capable of putting such kilometers in his legs already? and BTW- Is Froome being "motopaced" or is the "motor" pacing his rides?

he lived, studied, began racing and raced there. his wife has relatives there, he often travelled there in the past. he´s been winter training in South-Africa for the 4th year running, the first 2 years south africa had a working lab. from last year not anymore. every pro-rider fills his whereabouts in the ADAMS system. they know he´s there.

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.

How is it clinic related?
Unless he crashed while reaching for his inhaler

Froome has racked up 2,000 kilometres since arriving in South Africa after Christmas. He has ridden every day so far in January, hitting 150km on all but two outings.

There was no sign of a hangover on New Year's Day as he covered 157km in an interval session. The following day he clocked 200km, switching between his road, time trial, and mountain bikes. There have been just two recovery rides out of the 11 days of riding this year, and he has made a habit of heading out early in the mornings.

His longest ride came on January 7 when he rode 224.5km at an average speed of a shade under 38km/h - in the region of the speed at which Tour de France stages of similar length could be expected to be completed.


Fact is that South Africa does not have a credited WADA lab to begin with, and yet, He's capable of putting such kilometers in his legs already? and BTW- Is Froome being "motopaced" or is the "motor" pacing his rides?

he's sure hiding from the anti doping guys by posting all his rides to Strava...not the hidden cyclist I've ever seen to be fair

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.

How is it clinic related?
Unless he crashed while reaching for his inhaler

Froome has racked up 2,000 kilometres since arriving in South Africa after Christmas. He has ridden every day so far in January, hitting 150km on all but two outings.

There was no sign of a hangover on New Year's Day as he covered 157km in an interval session. The following day he clocked 200km, switching between his road, time trial, and mountain bikes. There have been just two recovery rides out of the 11 days of riding this year, and he has made a habit of heading out early in the mornings.

His longest ride came on January 7 when he rode 224.5km at an average speed of a shade under 38km/h - in the region of the speed at which Tour de France stages of similar length could be expected to be completed.


Fact is that South Africa does not have a credited WADA lab to begin with, and yet, He's capable of putting such kilometers in his legs already? and BTW- Is Froome being "motopaced" or is the "motor" pacing his rides?

he's sure hiding from the anti doping guys by posting all his rides to Strava...not the hidden cyclist I've ever seen to be fair

Yeah Strava that bastion of honesty. Easy to prove a rider is clean, just look at their strava! I mean all ADA's have to do see if someone is doping is to just look at his strava, it is genius. Rick you are a genius!!!

 

[Rollthedice]

Olaf Ludwig, former team boss of Jan Ullrich says:

"If cycling still wants to claim a bit of credibility, it has to be done and the decision must be made before the start of the season"

"I'm not a medical doctor, but I can not imagine how Froome wants to explain double the legal value, you can not suspend the Italian Ulissi years ago in a similar case and do nothing with Froome. Especially because he has always stood for transparency"

https://www.google.ro/amp/s/amp.volksstimme.de/radsport/news/ex-radprofi-ludwig-fordert-sanktionen-gegen-froome/1515760995000

 

[Rollthedice]

Another German, this time Jan Frodeno, big triathlete champion tweets:

With that being said, I‘m off to Europe for a couple of days. No giving birth without me @emmasnowsill - apparently Salbutamol helps relax contractions. Any word on that @chrisfroome ?

 

[brownbobby]

Re: Re:

Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.

How is it clinic related?
Unless he crashed while reaching for his inhaler

Froome has racked up 2,000 kilometres since arriving in South Africa after Christmas. He has ridden every day so far in January, hitting 150km on all but two outings.

There was no sign of a hangover on New Year's Day as he covered 157km in an interval session. The following day he clocked 200km, switching between his road, time trial, and mountain bikes. There have been just two recovery rides out of the 11 days of riding this year, and he has made a habit of heading out early in the mornings.

His longest ride came on January 7 when he rode 224.5km at an average speed of a shade under 38km/h - in the region of the speed at which Tour de France stages of similar length could be expected to be completed.


Fact is that South Africa does not have a credited WADA lab to begin with, and yet, He's capable of putting such kilometers in his legs already? and BTW- Is Froome being "motopaced" or is the "motor" pacing his rides?

I'm getting confused now; what exactly are we supposed to be feigning surprise at/ being suspicious of......that a guy who grew up in South Africa is spending some time in South Africa to escape winter in the Northern hemisphere?

Or that a WT level pro cyclist is capable of doing long rides, on multiple back to back days in January?

I'm shocked

 

[red_flanders]

Re: Re:

Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.

How is it clinic related?
Unless he crashed while reaching for his inhaler

Froome has racked up 2,000 kilometres since arriving in South Africa after Christmas. He has ridden every day so far in January, hitting 150km on all but two outings.

There was no sign of a hangover on New Year's Day as he covered 157km in an interval session. The following day he clocked 200km, switching between his road, time trial, and mountain bikes. There have been just two recovery rides out of the 11 days of riding this year, and he has made a habit of heading out early in the mornings.

His longest ride came on January 7 when he rode 224.5km at an average speed of a shade under 38km/h - in the region of the speed at which Tour de France stages of similar length could be expected to be completed.


Fact is that South Africa does not have a credited WADA lab to begin with, and yet, He's capable of putting such kilometers in his legs already? and BTW- Is Froome being "motopaced" or is the "motor" pacing his rides?

he's sure hiding from the anti doping guys by posting all his rides to Strava...not the hidden cyclist I've ever seen to be fair

Who said he's hiding? The obvious point here is that the way doping works is to dope during training, so you can train longer, harder. It's all about recovery.

The "Chris Froome trains harder than everyone" narrative is meant to give his fans something to hang on to which explains his ridiculous performances. To anyone who knows anything about doping it just puts out another red flag.

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.

How is it clinic related?
Unless he crashed while reaching for his inhaler

Froome has racked up 2,000 kilometres since arriving in South Africa after Christmas. He has ridden every day so far in January, hitting 150km on all but two outings.

There was no sign of a hangover on New Year's Day as he covered 157km in an interval session. The following day he clocked 200km, switching between his road, time trial, and mountain bikes. There have been just two recovery rides out of the 11 days of riding this year, and he has made a habit of heading out early in the mornings.

His longest ride came on January 7 when he rode 224.5km at an average speed of a shade under 38km/h - in the region of the speed at which Tour de France stages of similar length could be expected to be completed.


Fact is that South Africa does not have a credited WADA lab to begin with, and yet, He's capable of putting such kilometers in his legs already? and BTW- Is Froome being "motopaced" or is the "motor" pacing his rides?

he's sure hiding from the anti doping guys by posting all his rides to Strava...not the hidden cyclist I've ever seen to be fair

Yeah Strava that bastion of honesty. Easy to prove a rider is clean, just look at their strava! I mean all ADA's have to do see if someone is doping is to just look at his strava, it is genius. Rick you are a genius!!!

Lol, Froome Dawg = Strava doper

 

[brownbobby]

He's took quite a few KOM's this week. I'm surprised this hasn't caused outrage in some quarters :lol:

 

[rick james]

Re:

He's took quite a few KOM's this week. I'm surprised this hasn't caused outrage in some quarters :lol:

A few extra puff's and it will be gold trophies all day

 

[Merckx index]

I think all the people who have come out saying the case needs to be resolved quickly have had an effect. In addition to riders, former riders, team directors, et al, there have been at least three major officials, Vegni, Prudhomme, and Di Rocco. Why has Froome decided to take a lab test he probably can’t pass, and if which he doesn’t pass, will almost certainly result in a suspension that sidelines him for the Giro if not the Tour? I think it’s because of the pressure, which has affected CADF, too. The WADA code does say that hearings should be held in a reasonable amount of time, and it wouldn’t surprise me if CADF said to Froome, you either have to have a hearing before the Giro, or take it to CAS. He would probably have a better chance at CAS, but then he would have to ride with the case unsettled, and face all that negative publicity.

 

[Rollthedice]

I think all the people who have come out saying the case needs to be resolved quickly have had an effect. In addition to riders, former riders, team directors, et al, there have been at least three major officials, Vegni, Prudhomme, and Di Rocco. Why has Froome decided to take a lab test he probably can’t pass, and if which he doesn’t pass, will almost certainly result in a suspension that sidelines him for the Giro if not the Tour? I think it’s because of the pressure, which has affected CADF, too. The WADA code does say that hearings should be held in a reasonable amount of time, and it wouldn’t surprise me if CADF said to Froome, you either have to have a hearing before the Giro, or take it to CAS. He would probably have a better chance at CAS, but then he would have to ride with the case unsettled, and face all that negative publicity.

I don't think he has a choice of not taking the test. From WADA prohibited list:

The presence in urine of salbutamol in excess of 1000 ng/mL or formoterol in excess of 40 ng/mL is not consistent with therapeutic use of the substance and will be considered as an Adverse Analytical Finding (AAF) unless the Athlete proves,
through a controlled pharmacokinetic study, that the
abnormal result was the consequence of a therapeutic dose (by inhalation) up to the maximum dose indicated above.

 

[Alpe73]

Pretty interesting and enlightening comments. In an interview on this site. By Katie Compton. If you have followed her career. She has been an asthmatic. And has had many big races where she had sub par results due to it. She is arguably the greatest women CX rider ever. Definitely in the USA.

Really worth a read. Sheds a lot of light on what a TRUE asthmatic deals with as a PRO Rider.
IMHO

An asthmatic is an asthmatic but it's obvious her condition is more chronic than Froome's and probably not just exercise induced.

It’s not obvious to me that Froome even has asthma, let alone that I know how serious it is or isn’t. Not sure how the severity of his alleged condition could be obvious to anyone. I mean unless you take what Froome says at face value, which has been proven to be folly, so I assume no one would simply accept his story.

You’re a veritable Telepathology Clinic, R.F.

FFS ...

If that's your best effort to respond to my comments, I'll suggest that I'm unswayed by your...argument.

Oh ... the argument is there alright. Maybe when you have both barrels blasting ...you miss nuanced discourse.

Moreover ... not trying to ‘sway’ you; you’re seemingly unswayable on this issue.

I AM trying to discredit your opinion, your argument ... so that its silliness doesn’t spread to others. That’s fair, that’s on the ball in the spirit of ... argument.

 

[brownbobby]

Re: Re:

Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.

How is it clinic related?
Unless he crashed while reaching for his inhaler

Froome has racked up 2,000 kilometres since arriving in South Africa after Christmas. He has ridden every day so far in January, hitting 150km on all but two outings.

There was no sign of a hangover on New Year's Day as he covered 157km in an interval session. The following day he clocked 200km, switching between his road, time trial, and mountain bikes. There have been just two recovery rides out of the 11 days of riding this year, and he has made a habit of heading out early in the mornings.

His longest ride came on January 7 when he rode 224.5km at an average speed of a shade under 38km/h - in the region of the speed at which Tour de France stages of similar length could be expected to be completed.


Fact is that South Africa does not have a credited WADA lab to begin with, and yet, He's capable of putting such kilometers in his legs already? and BTW- Is Froome being "motopaced" or is the "motor" pacing his rides?

he's sure hiding from the anti doping guys by posting all his rides to Strava...not the hidden cyclist I've ever seen to be fair

Yeah Strava that bastion of honesty. Easy to prove a rider is clean, just look at their strava! I mean all ADA's have to do see if someone is doping is to just look at his strava, it is genius. Rick you are a genius!!!

Funny thing is, it seems certain people are ok posting up Strava files when they believe it provides further evidence that Froome's dishonest and cheating. But when it's used for the reverse, it gets the short shrift it deserves.

I don't know why this surprises me...

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.

How is it clinic related?
Unless he crashed while reaching for his inhaler

Froome has racked up 2,000 kilometres since arriving in South Africa after Christmas. He has ridden every day so far in January, hitting 150km on all but two outings.

There was no sign of a hangover on New Year's Day as he covered 157km in an interval session. The following day he clocked 200km, switching between his road, time trial, and mountain bikes. There have been just two recovery rides out of the 11 days of riding this year, and he has made a habit of heading out early in the mornings.

His longest ride came on January 7 when he rode 224.5km at an average speed of a shade under 38km/h - in the region of the speed at which Tour de France stages of similar length could be expected to be completed.


Fact is that South Africa does not have a credited WADA lab to begin with, and yet, He's capable of putting such kilometers in his legs already? and BTW- Is Froome being "motopaced" or is the "motor" pacing his rides?

I'm getting confused now; what exactly are we supposed to be feigning surprise at/ being suspicious of......that a guy who grew up in South Africa is spending some time in South Africa to escape winter in the Northern hemisphere?

Or that a WT level pro cyclist is capable of doing long rides, on multiple back to back days in January?

I'm shocked

Hmm. Two 1000km weeks in a row, almost at PRO race pace. In January.

I hope for his sake it’s sitting on the wheel of a scooter...

 

[Poursuivant]

I think all the people who have come out saying the case needs to be resolved quickly have had an effect. In addition to riders, former riders, team directors, et al, there have been at least three major officials, Vegni, Prudhomme, and Di Rocco. Why has Froome decided to take a lab test he probably can’t pass, and if which he doesn’t pass, will almost certainly result in a suspension that sidelines him for the Giro if not the Tour? I think it’s because of the pressure, which has affected CADF, too. The WADA code does say that hearings should be held in a reasonable amount of time, and it wouldn’t surprise me if CADF said to Froome, you either have to have a hearing before the Giro, or take it to CAS. He would probably have a better chance at CAS, but then he would have to ride with the case unsettled, and face all that negative publicity.

Is he definitely doing This test? Can't find anything on web.