after providing us with the most incredulous transformation, the most incredulous riding style and one of the most incredulous doping positives...the least we deserve is a highly amusing and non-orthodox suspension...
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gillan1969 said:after providing us with the most incredulous transformation, the most incredulous riding style and one of the most incredulous doping positives...the least we deserve is a highly amusing and non-orthodox suspension...
If only there wasn't such a thing as reality. And a race jury that would have to make that decision. And TVD into whose lap such a decision would ultimately fall. But, you know, ignore that, live the dream...TourOfSardinia said:Optimum stop time might be Monday, May 7 Rest Day.Is it not possible that Vegni could refuse Froome a start at the 11th hour,
That way the paymasters have had their show:
I.C.A v. CF/TeamSky
What mechanism are you imagining Vegni has at his disposal?S2Sturges said:Is it not possible that Vegni could refuse Froome a start at the 11th hour, then in turn, drag any resulting legal action from his team past the Tour, where he may (or may not) get sanctioned too... This may have been discussed before, apologise if it's been done to death before... the race directors can't be that hamstrung as not to have legal rights as well...
I have never been harsh to him, because i think it is all a big joke with him anyways.pastronef said:TourOfSardinia said:royal we pastronef
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we as the Italian public.
fmk_RoI said:What mechanism are you imagining Vegni has at his disposal?S2Sturges said:Is it not possible that Vegni could refuse Froome a start at the 11th hour, then in turn, drag any resulting legal action from his team past the Tour, where he may (or may not) get sanctioned too... This may have been discussed before, apologise if it's been done to death before... the race directors can't be that hamstrung as not to have legal rights as well...
Certain you are? Want to bet on it?Bolder said:I am certain that there is some sort of civil case to be made in an Italian court that he can prevent Froome from starting while the AAF is unresolved.
Alpe73 said:gillan1969 said:after providing us with the most incredulous transformation, the most incredulous riding style and one of the most incredulous doping positives...the least we deserve is a highly amusing and non-orthodox suspension...
Knew a runner ...his countrymen called him "Lurch" ... in relation to his apparent gangly running style.
27:48 10,000M :surprised:
fmk_RoI said:Certain you are? Want to bet on it?Bolder said:I am certain that there is some sort of civil case to be made in an Italian court that he can prevent Froome from starting while the AAF is unresolved.
Could you point to any example where a race organiser has claimed damages from a rider who lost their results? (Something that is almost certainly not going to happen to Froome BTW)Bolder said:As for legal rights, I am certain that there is some sort of civil case to be made in an Italian court that he can prevent Froome from starting while the AAF is unresolved. Off the top of my head I could see some sort of future claim for damages against Sky if Froome wins or podiums, then is stripped of his result.
Damages or losing the Vuelta? Really, why are you and others so supportive of this most obvious of dopers. I get the English angle (pun intended) but seriously, just why, other than pure misguided patriotism can you defend this fraud. If you actually believe in him and Sky, I feel sorry for you, if you are trolling on his behalf, I feel even more sorry for you.Parker said:Could you point to any example where a race organiser has claimed damages from a rider who lost their results? (Something that is almost certainly not going to happen to Froome BTW)Bolder said:As for legal rights, I am certain that there is some sort of civil case to be made in an Italian court that he can prevent Froome from starting while the AAF is unresolved. Off the top of my head I could see some sort of future claim for damages against Sky if Froome wins or podiums, then is stripped of his result.
TourOfSardinia said:Italian public comprende that CF spoilt the podium for lo squalo at the Vuelta.
Italian public non wanna the same dude on derr podium.Alpe73 said:TourOfSardinia said:Italian public comprende that CF spoilt the podium for lo squalo at the Vuelta.
Man ... if that’s not a line from a movie ... it damn well should be. Well done!
Given the certainty with which you said there is a way, perhaps you could offer suggestions? Or even some similar examples that went the civil route...Bolder said:fmk_RoI said:Certain you are? Want to bet on it?Bolder said:I am certain that there is some sort of civil case to be made in an Italian court that he can prevent Froome from starting while the AAF is unresolved.
I wouldn't want to bet on anything involving the Italian court system! But I do think that if Vegni had the will to pressure the UCI on Froome, he could have found a way to do so...
This is what I love about so many people round here. For them, rules are only the things you can beat athletes over the head with, rest of the time you can just make em up as you go along, and as soon as anyone says, well, actually, no, rules is rules, we all have to follow them, painful as that can at times be, you just dismiss that person as a fanboy. Cause only fanboys support the fair and honest application of the rules...ferryman said:Really, why are you and others so supportive of this most obvious of dopers.
Given that I am not English, clearly you don't get the English angle. But hey, you know what Wilde said about patriotism: it's the last refuge of the scoundrel. And you're the one taking refuge in it sunshine...ferryman said:I get the English angle (pun intended) but seriously, just why, other than pure misguided patriotism can you defend this fraud.
ferryman said:Damages or losing the Vuelta? Really, why are you and others so supportive of this most obvious of dopers. I get the English angle (pun intended) but seriously, just why, other than pure misguided patriotism can you defend this fraud. If you actually believe in him and Sky, I feel sorry for you, if you are trolling on his behalf, I feel even more sorry for you.Parker said:Could you point to any example where a race organiser has claimed damages from a rider who lost their results? (Something that is almost certainly not going to happen to Froome BTW)Bolder said:As for legal rights, I am certain that there is some sort of civil case to be made in an Italian court that he can prevent Froome from starting while the AAF is unresolved. Off the top of my head I could see some sort of future claim for damages against Sky if Froome wins or podiums, then is stripped of his result.
ferryman said:Damages or losing the Vuelta? Really, why are you and others so supportive of this most obvious of dopers. I get the English angle (pun intended) but seriously, just why, other than pure misguided patriotism can you defend this fraud. If you actually believe in him and Sky, I feel sorry for you, if you are trolling on his behalf, I feel even more sorry for you.Parker said:Could you point to any example where a race organiser has claimed damages from a rider who lost their results? (Something that is almost certainly not going to happen to Froome BTW)Bolder said:As for legal rights, I am certain that there is some sort of civil case to be made in an Italian court that he can prevent Froome from starting while the AAF is unresolved. Off the top of my head I could see some sort of future claim for damages against Sky if Froome wins or podiums, then is stripped of his result.
All I'm saying is that the Giro or any other race will not sue him for damages. mI said nothing about the Vuelta. I expect him to lose that and get a ban.ferryman said:Damages or losing the Vuelta? Really, why are you and others so supportive of this most obvious of dopers. I get the English angle (pun intended) but seriously, just why, other than pure misguided patriotism can you defend this fraud. If you actually believe in him and Sky, I feel sorry for you, if you are trolling on his behalf, I feel even more sorry for you.Parker said:Could you point to any example where a race organiser has claimed damages from a rider who lost their results? (Something that is almost certainly not going to happen to Froome BTW)Bolder said:As for legal rights, I am certain that there is some sort of civil case to be made in an Italian court that he can prevent Froome from starting while the AAF is unresolved. Off the top of my head I could see some sort of future claim for damages against Sky if Froome wins or podiums, then is stripped of his result.
Alpe73 said:ferryman said:Damages or losing the Vuelta? Really, why are you and others so supportive of this most obvious of dopers. I get the English angle (pun intended) but seriously, just why, other than pure misguided patriotism can you defend this fraud. If you actually believe in him and Sky, I feel sorry for you, if you are trolling on his behalf, I feel even more sorry for you.Parker said:Could you point to any example where a race organiser has claimed damages from a rider who lost their results? (Something that is almost certainly not going to happen to Froome BTW)Bolder said:As for legal rights, I am certain that there is some sort of civil case to be made in an Italian court that he can prevent Froome from starting while the AAF is unresolved. Off the top of my head I could see some sort of future claim for damages against Sky if Froome wins or podiums, then is stripped of his result.
Well ... I am partial to Basil Fawlty ... but nowt else in my passport to show me as British, English, UK-ish, Great Britain-ish. But ... aye ... I dooooo like me chances goin mano a mano on thee old Queen's English, lad.
So ... in all honesty ... that's not a factor for me and some others on here who are tarred with a fanboi feather. Very, very simple. Froome may be a big time doper. But I, like you, have NO WAY OF KNOWING that. So, my approach ... is to let the process run its course, respect the UCI's/WADA's process, respect the rider's rights. (Don't start on the "Italian Public" or "French Public" ... races in disrepute thang. We've all had a smorgasbord of BS on this and can't stomach another bite.) If the relevant authorities sanction him ... there will me no blip on my fanboi radar. Nada. If he walks ... continues to race, continues to win ... fine, as well. I'd love to see TD take him out ... but the half life of race favorite loss disappointment is ... like ... about three minutes for me. So there you have it ... my profile ... my reason for being a Froome defender ... a Froome fanboi ... a Sky lapdog. Now ... tell me. What's wrong with that ...?
Vegni himself:70kmph said:Sky, which in the meantime has already spent more than 7 million euros in lawyers and legal experts![]()
http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/2018/04/...viberti-se-vince-il-giro-nessuno-glielo-tocca
Which is something like«Non ho la possibilità di escludere Froome dal prossimo Giro. Se cercassi di farlo, rischierei un’eventuale azione legale della Sky perché non ci sono gli estremi normativi per chiudere la porta in faccia a un corridore che fino a prova contraria non è risultato positivo al doping».
Someone with a better grasp of Italian can tidy that up...but the gist seems pretty clear..."I don't have the possibility to exclude Froome from the Giro. If I tried to do it, I'd risk a possible legal action by Sky because there are no rules to stop a rider entering who, until proven otherwise, wasn't positive for doping."
70kmph said:Sky, which in the meantime has already spent more than 7 million euros in lawyers and legal experts![]()
http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/2018/04/...viberti-se-vince-il-giro-nessuno-glielo-tocca
which translates to:Sky, che nel frattempo ha già speso in avvocati e perizie legali oltre 7 milioni di euro.
Sky, who in the meantime have already spent over 7 million euros in lawyers and legal reports.