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gillan1969 said:
thehog said:
fmk_RoI said:
The story so far:

Bad form first half of race: with Cookson gone he can't dope

Pulls off planned exploit: he's doping

Collapses next day: he was allowed to use a motor by Vegni
You forgot;

FMK to offer no explanation just pick at other posts :cool:
Froome supporters choose most outlandish post to hang their hat on..... ;) he dopes big time but has had to dial it in this year...that's a bigger hook.....

it looks like the hopeful loss from GT podiums of the most blatant doper since the....eh..... last SKY one...

now on the other hand and talking of SKY...I'm liking the cut of the jib of the young columbian lad in California


Agreed. Now that is natural talent if ever I've seen it.
 
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fmk_RoI said:
thehog said:
fmk_RoI said:
The story so far:

Bad form first half of race: with Cookson gone he can't dope

Pulls off planned exploit: he's doping

Collapses next day: he was allowed to use a motor by Vegni
You forgot;

FMK to offer no explanation just pick at other posts :cool:
You mean an explanation crazy enough for people here to whoop up? Okay, here: time travel. Froome's actually at home with the kid. For the first half of the race 2010 Froome - Crash Froome - travelled forward in time to take his place. Yesterday, 2019 Froome tripped in, cause he was bored sitting out his ban. Today they dropped 2010 Froome back in. Tomorrow 2016 Froome will be doing the rest day. Happy now I've played by your rules?

LMAO!!!! Just what we need, wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff to add to this mess.
 
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DFA123 said:
red_flanders said:
DFA123 said:
red_flanders said:
Serpentin said:
I don`t get it how he could set that time on the Zoncolan and be crap today.
Fatigue? Not saying it isn't weird how he was so strong yesterday, but I don't find it weird that he fell back off today.
This. Yesterday was a huge effort for a rider who is getting towards top shape, but not quite there yet. Plus, Froome nearly always goes terribly when there is rain in the air.

Obviously everything about Froome is a bit ridiculous and massively suspicious, but a big effort followed by a drop off the next day, would actually be kind of what you would expect from a rider recovering naturally.
When you say "recovering naturally"... :D

I don't find anything about the guy natural.
Me neither.

I just think that too often there is a scattergun approach regarding Froome and Clinic issues, looking to pin everything that happens to him on clinic issues, which murkies the water a bit and gives his apologists stuff to counter with and scream 'witchhunt'. There is more than enough hard data, contradictions, failed tests and other concrete stuff to bury him, without focusing on speculation about a slight dip in form the day after a huge effort.
Yeah, agreed.
 
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brownbobby said:
Agree with this 100%. I'm actually less convinced of Froome's doping and even a little bit sympathetic towards him since joining this forum. Some of the mud that gets slung at him is just ridiculous, as you say there's enough to be suspicious about for everyone to see, without all the nonsense that gets piled on top.
Lost me there. Not sure how anyone could come to such a conclusion at this point.
 
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brownbobby said:
fmk_RoI said:
The story so far:

Bad form first half of race: with Cookson gone he can't dope

Pulls off planned exploit: he's doping

Collapses next day: he was allowed to use a motor by Vegni
Nailed it in 30 words :lol:
So true. Never has there been such a champion. Froome is exactly what you would think of as the model of a cycling hero.

John Swanson
 
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Rollthedice said:
What if, in this beautiful sport Froome gets a retroactive ban, gets stripped of his, let's say 6th place at the Giro and rides Tour winning it for the fifth time?
Well, that's exactly what the sport deserves, isn't it?

John Swanson
 
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Rollthedice said:
What if, in this beautiful sport Froome gets a retroactive ban, gets stripped of his, let's say 6th place at the Giro and rides Tour winning it for the fifth time?
ASO wont let Froome win it.
 
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ScienceIsCool said:
brownbobby said:
fmk_RoI said:
The story so far:

Bad form first half of race: with Cookson gone he can't dope

Pulls off planned exploit: he's doping

Collapses next day: he was allowed to use a motor by Vegni
Nailed it in 30 words :lol:
So true. Never has there been such a champion. Froome is exactly what you would think of as the model of a cycling hero.

John Swanson
Even without any doping at all by anybody there would be sudden changes of fortune so trying to tie every single occurrence to some sort of doping conspiracy is a fools game. Yes, we know of certain events in cycling history that were a result of planned cheating but we don't know about everything*

*I still think the top guys are all rammed.
 
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macbindle said:
ScienceIsCool said:
brownbobby said:
fmk_RoI said:
The story so far:

Bad form first half of race: with Cookson gone he can't dope

Pulls off planned exploit: he's doping

Collapses next day: he was allowed to use a motor by Vegni
Nailed it in 30 words :lol:
So true. Never has there been such a champion. Froome is exactly what you would think of as the model of a cycling hero.

John Swanson
Even without any doping at all by anybody there would be sudden changes of fortune so trying to tie every single occurrence to some sort of doping conspiracy is a fools game. Yes, we know of certain events in cycling history that were a result of planned cheating but we don't know about everything*

*I still think the top guys are all rammed.
Aru must have got some dodgy generics or else he's sick.
 
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compared t0 froome i remember, the one i saw yesterday lacked a recovery agent...in doping 101 it is testo or its derivatives.
 
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fmk_RoI said:
Benotti69 said:
Rollthedice said:
What if, in this beautiful sport Froome gets a retroactive ban, gets stripped of his, let's say 6th place at the Giro and rides Tour winning it for the fifth time?
ASO wont let Froome win it.
They did such a good job stopping LA get to seven.
I didn't notice they were trying.

But i did notice he didn't win 8.
 
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Benotti69 said:
fmk_RoI said:
Benotti69 said:
Rollthedice said:
What if, in this beautiful sport Froome gets a retroactive ban, gets stripped of his, let's say 6th place at the Giro and rides Tour winning it for the fifth time?
ASO wont let Froome win it.
They did such a good job stopping LA get to seven.
I didn't notice they were trying.

But i did notice he didn't win 8.
This is what I love. Someone can say that something will happen, like say that RCS will whack Froome over the head with the disrepute clause, at the eleventh hour too, so he won't have time to appeal. And then when that doesn't happen they can say well that's cause RCS didn't want to, they're actually happy having Froome in the race, especially with the top secret deal done with Lappartient that Vegni blabbed about. (But, of course, Vegni did want to give Froome a one day pass to use his motor on the Zoncolan, but he wouldn't let Poels have one, just look at the way the Dutchman's legs weren't egg-whisking up the climb.) So now we've got ASO having the magical ability to stop Froome winning, like they've stopped oh, I don't know, no one winning in the past (with the exception of LA, who they stopped getting to eight by making him retire, and Merckx in 75 when they ordered that fan to punch his lights out, and Delgado in 89 when they had him tied and bound in the boot of a car right when he should have been starting the prologue) and if that doesn't actually happen and - God forbid - the salbutamol thing is still unresolved and Froome actually wins the bloody Tour, the argument will be that, well, actually, ASO didn't really try. They didn't send their ninja mechanics in at midnight to add iron filings to his bottom bracket or Prudhomme just couldn't bring himself to order his driver to force Froome off the road in the neutral zone, or whatever bit of nonsense you want to make up for yourself.
 
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fmk_RoI said:
Benotti69 said:
fmk_RoI said:
Benotti69 said:
Rollthedice said:
What if, in this beautiful sport Froome gets a retroactive ban, gets stripped of his, let's say 6th place at the Giro and rides Tour winning it for the fifth time?
ASO wont let Froome win it.
They did such a good job stopping LA get to seven.
I didn't notice they were trying.

But i did notice he didn't win 8.
This is what I love. Someone can say that something will happen, like say that RCS will whack Froome over the head with the disrepute clause, at the eleventh hour too, so he won't have time to appeal. And then when that doesn't happen they can say well that's cause RCS didn't want to, they're actually happy having Froome in the race, especially with the top secret deal done with Lappartient that Vegni blabbed about. (But, of course, Vegni did want to give Froome a one day pass to use his motor on the Zoncolan, but he wouldn't let Poels have one, just look at the way the Dutchman's legs weren't egg-whisking up the climb.) So now we've got ASO having the magical ability to stop Froome winning, like they've stopped oh, I don't know, no one winning in the past (with the exception of LA, who they stopped getting to eight by making him retire, and Merckx in 75 when they ordered that fan to punch his lights out, and Delgado in 89 when they had him tied and bound in the boot of a car right when he should have been starting the prologue) and if that doesn't actually happen and - God forbid - the salbutamol thing is still unresolved and Froome actually wins the bloody Tour, the argument will be that, well, actually, ASO didn't really try. They didn't send their ninja mechanics in at midnight to add iron filings to his bottom bracket or Prudhomme just couldn't bring himself to order his driver to force Froome off the road in the neutral zone, or whatever bit of nonsense you want to make up for yourself.
Ben Johnston.
 

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