Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[macbindle]

@Benotti69

So no actual credible evidence then. Thought not.

The argument you present in your last paragraph is ridiculous. There are plenty of ways in which motor doping could be exposed outside of official checks...just as pharma doping has been exposed outside of doping tests. People are looking,official and otherwise. You seem to forget that people have already been caught....by UCI inspectors. The case hit the headlines, making a mockery of the sport. So much for the UCI not being interested

The fact that you (and I, as it happens) find Froome's career progression to be unbelievable does not justify whatever theories you come up with. So far we have evidence of Froome's AAF, which cannot account for much, and evidence that he rides for a team with few ethical boundaries. And that is about it.

 

[samhocking]

To point to a thread in the clinic for evidence of motors is laughable. The clinic has not proven a single clear case of anything beyond reasonable doubt. If they had, I think most people would accept it like they do any clear Anti-doping rule violation at any professional level on the road.
Any member of the clinic can go to any race and expose anyone they want with minimal knowledge. Got to the teams observe riders giving their bikes back, the team cars offloading broken bikes and wheels, speak to the mechanics, just hang around the teams later at night while mechanics are working on next days bikes and its just obvious motors simply are not in use.

 

[macbindle]

Benotti69 also forgets that the Italian police raided the Giro in 2015, checking bikes for motors. None found.

Plenty of people looking...UCI, police, journalists,fans...

 

[Benotti69]

Cycling has no credibility. A guy that a team is looking to offload as they believe he has no talent suddenly transforms and now is holding all 3 GT titles and people in here think he is clean and not cheating. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Even Hinault thinks the riders should go on strike to stop this joke starting Le Tour! Hinault is no socialist and he thinks a rider strike. FFS!!!!!!!

Hinault can see past Salbutamol.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Benotti69]

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Benotti69 also forgets that the Italian police raided the Giro in 2015, checking bikes for motors. None found.

Plenty of people looking...UCI, police, journalists,fans...

Not seen any fans with x-ray machines lately, nor police, nor journalists and there are questions as to whether the UCI acutally turns the thing on a no one sees anything. Only 1 video by UCI on youtube realting to x-ray and it is PR :lol:

 

[thehog]

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Benotti69 also forgets that the Italian police raided the Giro in 2015, checking bikes for motors. None found.

Plenty of people looking...UCI, police, journalists,fans...

Lol! Let’s see a link for that one... 2015 Giro, lol!

 

[macbindle]

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Benotti69 also forgets that the Italian police raided the Giro in 2015, checking bikes for motors. None found.

Plenty of people looking...UCI, police, journalists,fans...

Lol! Let’s see a link for that one... 2015 Giro, lol!

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-17/chris-froome-distracted-by-motor-bike-claims-tour-de-france/6627710

Lol

 

[thehog]

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Benotti69 also forgets that the Italian police raided the Giro in 2015, checking bikes for motors. None found.

Plenty of people looking...UCI, police, journalists,fans...

Lol! Let’s see a link for that one... 2015 Giro, lol!

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-17/chris-froome-distracted-by-motor-bike-claims-tour-de-france/6627710

Lol

Raided? Riiiiighhhhhhht

 

[macbindle]

By the way, the police also were at MSR that year too, investigating.

Need a link? lol.

You can split hairs over a word, but it matters not. Benotti claims nobody has been looking. He's wrong.

I'm surprised at you, though. Notwithstanding your habit of twisting facts right out of shape to fit your agenda, you usually seem fairly knowledgeable.

 

[rick james]

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Cycling has no credibility. A guy that a team is looking to offload as they believe he has no talent suddenly transforms and now is holding all 3 GT titles and people in here think he is clean and not cheating. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Even Hinault thinks the riders should go on strike to stop this joke starting Le Tour! Hinault is no socialist and he thinks a rider strike. FFS!!!!!!!

Hinault can see past Salbutamol.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

playing the joker card when you can't actually post any proof of your claim

 

[samhocking]

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Cycling has no credibility. A guy that a team is looking to offload as they believe he has no talent suddenly transforms and now is holding all 3 GT titles and people in here think he is clean and not cheating. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Even Hinault thinks the riders should go on strike to stop this joke starting Le Tour! Hinault is no socialist and he thinks a rider strike. FFS!!!!!!!

Hinault can see past Salbutamol.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The issue is not belief in Froomes cleanliness or not, it's that motors, doping and even riding for Sky is also available to any rider in the peloton, not just Froome, so why only Froome can make it work a little bit better than the others? That for me is the big question. Just continually shouting motors, doping, UCI protection doesn't explain anything really.

 

[rick james]

1500 pages?

Just as long as Froome’s salbutamol submission to the UCI

1500 pages and all we have is Asthma treatment....just like the early 2000's all over again

 

[Poursuivant]

Hinault’s lack of understanding, lack of irony, and pure hypocrisy makes me cringe.

 

[yaco]

I am still waiting for the reason why no rider has won the giro/TDF double in the last 20 years, considering Bellotti's belief motors are a regular occurrence in pro cycling races - Actually if I ACCEPT Benotti's word, then I am staggered no-one has tried the Giro/TDF/Vuelta treble- It must be a cinch using a motor.

 

[macbindle]

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Hinault’s lack of understanding, lack of irony, and pure hypocrisy makes me cringe.

Yes, me too. He never was the sharpest knife in the block. Without the bike he'd have been a Breton farm hand.

With the bike, and being the Armstrong of his era, he's massively wealthy. Over $200 million, has been reported.

 

[fmk_RoI]

1500 pages?

Just as long as Froome’s salbutamol submission to the UCI

1500 pages and all we have is Asthma treatment....just like the early 2000's all over again

Haas has fifteen hundred pages but that's from Froome and UCI, only about 750 pages each. The Clinic's got 1,500+ pages on its own.

 

[Merckx index]

1500 pages and counting.

Thread so long because fanboys and skybots cant see the wood for the trees.

Of course! That’s what Lappartient meant when he said there were 1500 pages! The Tribunal is going to be required to read the entire Clinic Froome thread. Great strategy by Morgan. No wonder the case is taking so long.

I am still waiting for the reason why no rider has won the giro/TDF double in the last 20 years, considering Bellotti's belief motors are a regular occurrence in pro cycling races - Actually if I ACCEPT Benotti's word, then I am staggered no-one has tried the Giro/TDF/Vuelta treble- It must be a cinch using a motor.

Wrong thread for discussion of American college football. ☺

While I’ve made my skepticism about motors clear, I don’t think that their use would mean a rider could easily win or even contend in all three GTs in one year. Motors, as I understand the technology, are not developed to the point where one small enough to be hidden can provide a significant amount of extra watts for an extended period of time. They would be used in strategic moments, like dropping someone on a climb, or conserving energy in a flat or hilly stage in the wind. They would provide a big edge, sure, but it’s not like the rider doesn’t have to expend his own efforts maximally as well. You don't just turn on a motor and cruise for six hours a day for three weeks. And that’s not even taking into account that other riders may be using them.

 

[ontheroad]

People will have their own differing views on the extent of motor use within the pro peloton and that's fine. The old David Walsh chestnut of 'show me the evidence' is often bandied about and it is true that there is no hard evidence. Short of physically seeing a motorbike or hearing a full rider confession, the same people will continue to argue on this 'show me the evidence' angle. I believe that motor's have been used, the full extent of which is hard to say with certainty.

As for the argument that the UCI are trying hard to detect them, I would argue that they are simply trying to deter and control their use. Remember how Mark Barfield tipped off Typhoon about impending intervention from the French police 2 years ago. If motors have been used for a decade or more in the pro peloton which I think is likely then the UCI dare not risk exposing the charade as that would be like turkeys voting for Christmas. The pro teams hold all the power when it comes to motors and if it is exposed it will be by some external investigation and not by the UCI.

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/11/hidden-motors-former-pro-replaces-controversial-staff-member-uci/

 

[Benotti69]

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Hinault’s lack of understanding, lack of irony, and pure hypocrisy makes me cringe.

Hinault is someone i never cared for. It is laughable him calling for a strike.

 

[Benotti69]

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I am still waiting for the reason why no rider has won the giro/TDF double in the last 20 years, considering Bellotti's belief motors are a regular occurrence in pro cycling races - Actually if I ACCEPT Benotti's word, then I am staggered no-one has tried the Giro/TDF/Vuelta treble- It must be a cinch using a motor.

There can be any number or factors.

Lots have tried.

If everyone is super than no one is. If everyone is motoring than why expect only one winner.

How did Armstrong win 7TdFs in a row......

 

[ontheroad]

Yes, Hinault is a complete hypocrite calling for a strike. He states that the peloton are 'too nice' in not calling Froome out. That's just a joke, it's just omerta pure and simple.

Hinault has no right to take a moral stance in this case and I think he is simply more worried about his own achievement of winning 5 tours being threatened.

 

[thehog]

1500 pages?

Just as long as Froome’s salbutamol submission to the UCI

1500 pages and all we have is Asthma treatment....just like the early 2000's all over again

Haas has fifteen hundred pages but that's from Froome and UCI, only about 750 pages each. The Clinic's got 1,500+ pages on its own.

Yes but the Froome thread has being going since 2012 for 1500 page at 250 pages per year, Froome amassed his 1500 sheets In just over 6 months

 

[red_flanders]

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Yes, Hinault is a complete hypocrite calling for a strike. He states that the peloton are 'too nice' in not calling Froome out. That's just a joke, it's just omerta pure and simple.

Hinault has no right to take a moral stance in this case and I think he is simply more worried about his own achievement of winning 5 tours being threatened.

Give me a break. He's simply calling out BS as he always has done. The same nonsense was said about LeMond when Armstrong was going for 4, that it was about his legacy. Turns out LeMond was right about everything. As is Hinault.

His "doping" violation was not to show for a doping control at a post Tour exhibition race. He could have not cared, been full of blow or amphetamines or some mild substance. He gets that Sky and Froome are running the full program and are making a mockery of the sport.

He gets the difference. Not sure why others don't. You want to side with Froome over Hinault? Good luck with that.

 

[hfer07]

Hinault has a point:

Riders with similar cases have been sanctioned, but "Teflon Froome & SKY" are the exemption. Should the peloton protest? YES, they Should in their own right - but Will they? Probably not, because OMERTA still exist among the riders.

 

[Benotti69]

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Hinault has a point:

Riders with similar cases have been sanctioned, but "Teflon Froome & SKY" are the exemption. Should the peloton protest? YES, they Should in their own right - but Will they? Probably not, because OMERTA still exist among the riders.

Not going to happen, a strike, riders will be told it will scare away potential sponsors. Most riders probably want to ride for Sky so not going to happen. No riders came forward, it would appear, as witness to Moscon causing a crash!