Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Freddythefrog]

Greg looks like he's crushing Vrooms hand while piercing him with those eyes that Vroom is rightfully not looking back at.

Don't upset Oldcrank - he is one of the few believers who posts here.

 

[Benotti69]

+1

Instead of talking about Froome, people should be asking themselves why Contador is climbing so much slower than in 2009, even if in 2009 he climbed Bonascre and Ventoux not pushing by any means.

The clinic knows why Contador is climbing slower. Less dope. Easy.

It is like why other riders and teams are not discussed so much, no one doubts that Riis's riders or Movistar or others are doping.

The real question is why are Sky getting away with the levels they are getting away with while others aren't?

Simple answer is that Sky have a USPS deal with UCI/ASO.

 

[Miburo]

Not that I am defending Froome, but Contador has been rather mediocre.

3:22 ahead of Peraud on GC of which 2:04 were due to the much superior team.

But maybe this is as good as Contador can be right now.

Yea let's not consider the fact that contador was already caught in 2010 but still destroyed the giro 2011.

I'm not saying Contador is not taking the juice but if he did it in 2011, then why not the same in 2013?

 

[No_Balls]

I doubt Contador is clean. I mean he is Contador and riding for Riis. He doesn't have UCI protection to same level Sky have.

Not convinced either. But the brits and CE-european has sold the idea that it is a "clean peloton" (and thats why the noble Brits are winning) so i will take that into consideration if he will fly the other day and the brittish newcomers is talking about "doping" and a "dirty peloton" again.

 

[happychappy]

That today was laughable, just laughable.

I thought I was watching the Tour from the 90s!

Not enough 90kg riders in the top 10 for that.

 

[deValtos]

People actually do give a **** and it will soon become common knowledge what his actual time was ... the estimate for 15.65 kilometers is 48:35...just two seconds shy of Armstrong 2002 ...the final confirmations are forthcoming...Vetoo has 47:11 for him at the 15km banner and 48:35 for the full 15.65km...

Good, just as long as people are using the right numbers.

And yes it was a very similar time to 2002 Armstrong. Still slower than Kreuziger though !

 

[vrusimov]

Quintana blew himself up trying to follow from in the end, if he would have paced himself better he could have been closer than 29s in the end. Also notice that Quintana rode more kilometers solo than Froome did, Froome was paced by Porte and Kennaugh for quiet a long time. Quintana's ride was spectacular.

Repeat this to yourself my friend: "Quintana is not in Froome's class, no matter how he paces himself". Froome was toying with that guy!

 

[MrRoboto]

Quintana blew himself up trying to follow from in the end, if he would have paced himself better he could have been closer than 29s in the end. Also notice that Quintana rode more kilometers solo than Froome did, Froome was paced by Porte and Kennaugh for quiet a long time. Quintana's ride was spectacular.

But Froome was in front for most of the time they were together.

 

[hrotha]

Yea let's not consider the fact that contador was already caught in 2010 but still destroyed the giro 2011.

I'm not saying Contador is not taking the juice but if he did it in 2011, then why not the same in 2013?

Pepe Martí.

 

[roundabout]

Yea let's not consider the fact that contador was already caught in 2010 but still destroyed the giro 2011.

I'm not saying Contador is not taking the juice but if he did it in 2011, then why not in 2013?

Go complain about Nieve riding for Contador.

 

[spalco]

A dude once threatened to fly to my city, kill me, and then rape my wife...I think you are exaggerating a little bit.

I didn't see that, but yeah, that's worse.

Even so, as bad as Froome may be, he hasn't committed a genocide yet.

 

[Dead Star]

I found Froome's acceleration after Porter blew up everyone Popovych-style frightening. What is it? The higher pain threshold so he can ride a higher cadence? Those freakish twitch muscles he has? The bigger heart?

 

[Franklin]

Vroome Vroome.

Impressive doesn't start to describe what I'm seeing here. Lost my hope he's clean right then and there.

Having to go into the drops and use your brakes on the ascent of the Ventoux is indeed going full ***.

 

[deValtos]

I read Contador was just a little slower than his own time in 2009

1:55 slower than 2009.

 

[hfer07]

Liggett and Sherwen on ITV where stating that there was a headwind they said this many times during the broadcast.

Yes- From their location-at the top of the Ventoux, opposite to the road's direction- it was headwind indeed...

 

[the sceptic]

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 24 m

#TDF, Mont Ventoux, last 6.15 km, 8.00 %, 492 m 2002 | Lance Armstrong: 17 min 53 sec 2013 | Chtris Froome: 17 min 41 sec

 

[Telmisartan]

Froome is a terrific rider,just spectacular.I feel torn between saluting this awesome rider or thinking what is really real.

Only folk i have conversed with re Froome is Airstream and Carols(similarly torn),if this is believable,it is without question the greatest athletic transformation in sporting history(with or without Bilharzia),its just too much of a stretch for me knowing pro cycling history.So hope the guy is clean,smashing guy,great role model,complete personality opposite of his rude vulgar predecessor,jeez,hope he's clean but doubt it.

 

[vrusimov]

Good, just as long as people are using the right numbers.

And yes it was a very similar time to 2002 Armstrong. Still slower than Kreuziger though !

In order of top 30 performances Ventoux:

So it "seems" that Mr. Froome is once again in dpVAM territory next to Armstrong...

 

[Miburo]

Go complain about Nieve riding for Contador.

Since when does a domestique drops his leader?

Oh yea Froome...

Pepe Marti?

Doesn't he have a disciple or what? A guy like contador should be able to find someone from that level somewhere else. I think it's too simple, bloody riis is still his teammanager. I'll wait for next year to say it was really cause of the dope.

 

[No_Balls]

But you are a contador fanboy

I have explained this above and no Contador wasnt the man who introduced juice to cycling. The very fact you even cheer a doped rider is the responsibility of UCI/ASO and not the rider himself.

After Armstrong had been busted it was an golden opportunity to clean up cycling once and for all as was the moment during the Festina-gate -98. Then comes this Froome guy and Sky and we are back in -99 again.

 

[hiero2]

Our of interest, are any of the other riders or there teams complaining about Froomes peformance ?. They would surely know better than anyone.

You know, I agree. They should. They can't say something they don't know, but we have seen them speak up more in the past year. What I find interesting is that all the big anti-doper names seem to be on board that Sky is clean, and Froome by extension. Walsh, Lemond anyway. Haven't heard a peep out of Ashenden in ages. Whatshisname - the French guy who wrote the 21 riders article/book - Vayer - has as many or more people "in the know" throwing spitwads at him as he does people sending him Salve Ceasars.

It seems the only thing we have is times/power output, and some bad PR moves by Brailsford. Unfortunately for Contador, I believe his performances since 2009 have proven the case against him, and this year is no exception. Schleck is in the same boat. So they've had to cut back or cut out artificial aid - and Froome can beat them.

What also gets me is that Rogers is still the incredible road captain even if he is not on Sky. Consistency in spite of a change in teams. That leads me to increase the likelihood of Sky being clean as they claim, and Froome by extension. Also, since Rogers jumped ship - if Sky were doing something, I would expect Riis and Contador to be doing it now. Which leaves me with, unfortunately, Froome looking clean.

I don't like it, I don't like Froome, and I don't know why. I am suspicious, but there is less and less evidence of something dodgy. There is not MORE evidence. A fast time by itself does NOT mean a doped performance. If there is dope, we should be seeing smoke somewhere, and we aren't getting any smoke.

<<sniff, sniff>> What's that smell, dog?
I and i, bro. Jah made the herb!

 

[roundabout]

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 24 m

#TDF, Mont Ventoux, last 6.15 km, 8.00 %, 492 m 2002 | Lance Armstrong: 17 min 53 sec 2013 | Chtris Froome: 17 min 41 sec

oh, Froome is dodgy as hell, but times on the section above the tree line do need to have the wind taken into account.

 

[vrusimov]

Thanks to Ross Tucker. More information on Ventoux performances:

 

[whittashau]

1:55 slower than 2009.

Can someone clarify all this stuff with the times? Because I'm sure I read Armstrong had the record for the last 15k yet this guy seems to have different numbers?

And yes it was a very similar time to 2002 Armstrong. Still slower than Kreuziger though !

Did they have a different finishing point in 2009?

 

[Franklin]

It looks like doping, but we don´t know. ...

Oh okay... so you actually let slip that everyone of your posts about Froome is Trolling!

You actually agree it looks like doping.

Pro-tip... trolling only works when you keep on the trollsuit.