Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[MrRoboto]

He's bloody good isn't he?
He hasn't won yet but it looks as though only bad luck stands in his way. Fair play to The Hitch ... although his ranking system for riders seems to have vastly over-estimated Contador's true (clean) ability. At least we can now see just how juiced Contador was.

Now, about Quintana.

So how clean are the people behind Froome? I don't belive for a second that they are clean off season at least.

 

[horsinabout]

Because having a rider as skinny as Froome keeping up with a relative heavy as Tony Martin on a flat TT requires an amazing amount of power.

So to does Froome's high cadence and acceleration. This requires extremely high levels of muscle fitness and souplesse. It was quite literally unbelievable. And scariest of all appeared comfortably achieved.

 

[User Guide]

Switched it off with a km to go.The debate in my mind was over.
The only debate left is Brialsfords knowledge of whats going on,whether hes suspicious,turning a blind eye or enabling.
Ok I know it dosent really add too the debate,but for me personaly this thread is dead.

 

[bigcog]

You'll like this:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/photos/cycling-photos-slideshow/le-tour-france-2013-stage-20130714-163526-984.html

 

[bigcog]

Well, statistics are also science. The odds against Froome are extremely heavily stacked against him.

As you like science I conclude you fully agree he probably is doping. Thanks for making that clear.

I will when you provide some real evidence rather laughable conjecture.

 

[vrusimov]

Meh, though I totally believe Froome is dirty, this ride was not "full ***" as people in here seem to be suggesting, even looking at the times. It was clear he was holding back, even at the top when he rode away from Quintana "gritting his teeth". It reminded me very much of an LA climb. Never looked in any discomfort. LA never had to go full gas because he knew he could go easier and still drop everyone else with ease.

The scariest part to me was the insane acceleration away from AC. That was really crazy, Porte had already blown everyone else away then Froome still had the power to pull that crazy acceleration. It was far more vicious an attack than Armstrong ever showed he could do. In fact, it looked like to me he had to grab the brakes to avoid crashing into the motos or a fan or something. Grabbing the brakes going UP Ventoux? It was clear he could have continued a higher pace, probably finished a minute faster than he did. But he kept getting instructions to slow down, it seemed.

Not the demonstration I hoped for, but the accelerations were scary in and of themselves.

You mean you didn't see the episode at Tirreno-Adriatico earlier this year??? He nearly made roadkill of Contador and left Nibali for dead at Prati di Tivo. I knew then that this guy was on special form. It was clear by his massive acceleration then that he could have gone much sooner and gained more time. It was a statement to the rest that come the tour he would not be content to follow wheels.

 

[Franklin]

You'll like this:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/photos/cycling-photos-slideshow/le-tour-france-2013-stage-20130714-163526-984.html

You will love this one

http://s1.jrnl.ie/media/2013/04/lemond-armstrong-cycling-2-390x285.jpg

Awwww..... your attempt at trolling fails within minutes.

 

[Franklin]

I will when you provide some real evidence rather laughable conjecture.

Good comeback. So the fact that since 1995 most GT winners have been found out to be doping is no hard data... oh hmmm.... hmmmm.... it is indeed hard data

So that makes the odds of a GT winner being clean... hmmm.. small indeed.

Science is fun. Facts are also fun. Playing with a wannabe troll: even funnier. But really, it's to easy as you clearly have no clue about the history of cycling and thus will always be tripped up by statistics.

I'll let you go little fish, go try harder with others.

 

[Bakhjulet]

I am rapidly joining Preudhomme in becoming a fully paid up member of The Dawg's superfanclub,then i look at his ITT and climbing performances pre Vuelta '11 and think again.Froome's times today and Aix 3 Domaines are totally irrelevant,the historical information says all.Julich's defence about Chris not having race smarts pre 2011 is as hollow and transparent as you get.

One reason Froome is climbing better than pre 2011 is of course his weight loss. You compare him now to 2010 it's clear he has lost a lot of kilos. But sure, that can't explain all: that he is now the best climber in the world and one for the best time-trialist. The only logical explanation must be that Froome was way off realizing his full potential pre 2011, and that Sky saw something extraordinary in him and trained him in the right way to realize his full potential. If that's true is of course the main question. I'm sceptical, it's an unprobable saga, which of course doesn't mean it can't be true.

 

[Telmisartan]

This thread is dead,i'm with User Guide,Robert Millar's Tour blog was disconcerting,Froome wins at Ventoux by over a minute,he knew,everyone knew,game over.Froome getting caught next 5 years is the only story,IMO he won't be,new clean Sky cycling,marginal gains,no power data(although i dont trust it myself),warming down,riders born at altitude blah blah...

 

[masking_agent]

anyone know what his time up Mt. ventoux was ? I read that Armstrong did it in 48mins. It would be great to know the times being that peloton is supposedly "much cleaner".. < wink wink >

 

[Dead Star]

I reckon he'll give us another similar TT peformance and then go defensive in the mountains. Cover any accelerations or threats. Look 'clean' and stay with others in the top 10. And then we'll be told how real and normal he is.

 

[doperhopper]

the only apres-ventoux question: is microdosing and own blood enough for this?

 

[Franklin]

Sky saw something extraordinary in him and trained him in the right way to realize his full potential.

It reeks of the Lance story, but worse... Sky had him on the chopping block already. Nobody saw something extraordinary in him (potentially a good TT rider I'd guess).

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

+1

Instead of talking about Froome, people should be asking themselves why Contador is climbing so much slower than in 2009, even if in 2009 he climbed Bonascre and Ventoux not pushing by any means.

Why the f*ck do you think he's climbing slower? Seriously, EVERYBODY here knows why. Except for maybe you.

 

[vrusimov]

anyone know what his time up Mt. ventoux was ? I read that Armstrong did it in 48mins. It would be great to know the times being that peloton is supposedly "much cleaner".. < wink wink >

Froome 48:35 [5.88w/kg]
Armstrong 48:33 [2002]

 

[Bakhjulet]

Froome 48:35 [5.88w/kg]
Armstrong 48:33 [2002]

And what do we know about the wind conditions 2002 and 2013? Comparable?

 

[vrusimov]

It reeks of the Lance story, but worse... Sky had him on the chopping block already. Nobody saw something extraordinary in him (potentially a good TT rider I'd guess).

Yeah, it seems he was pretty low on Brailsford's "depth chart" and fast track to a new contract. However, there was Brailsford's "moment of clarity" from the Commonwealth 2006 where Froome finished near 5.5 minutes behind the winner. I think bad equipment was the culprit but don't quote me on it.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

What is striking is that Froome could win this race without drawing such attention - like Wiggins. So either he is clean or he is certain he won't be caught.

Wiggins knew why he didn't race. He'd be 5-10 minutes behind by now and carrying Froome's bottles and jacket.

 

[Telmisartan]

I'm trawling old ground but Sky didnt actually realise about Froome pre-Vuelta '11 did they,nothing decided on his contract?

 

[blackcat]

Wiggins knew why he didn't race. He'd be 5-10 minutes behind by now and carrying Froome's bottles and jacket.

he did not wish to steal leipheimers bottle nick

 

[armchairclimber]

When he arrived at the Vuelta, they were able to outbid other callers.
But there were other callers, which tells you something.

 

[whittashau]

When he arrived at the Vuelta, they were able to outbid other callers.
But there were other callers, which tells you something.

you mean during the Vuelta. Before he had no offers, well at least that's my understanding

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

When he arrived at the Vuelta, they were able to outbid other callers.
But there were other callers, which tells you something.

Katusha, Astana, and Movistar are always looking for clean riders.

 

[Ripper]

Froome 48:35 [5.88w/kg]
Armstrong 48:33 [2002]

I f*cking love it.

LOVE it.

Really.

Go big or go home - what a pile of sh!t

And all the total fanboys underneath the actual race story thread .... just painful. It's just so disappointing to see people just be stupid.