Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[blackcat]

I was after his first Tour de France, I can prove that, and I am spanish.
Froome was in Santarem, Portugal, in 2008m at the level in ITT of Kloden, Bodrogi and Taaramae.
Froome was 14th in the last ITT of the Tour.
In Vuelta a Asturias similar level, not far from Samu, the winner of the ITT, Froome was begining in profesional cycling then. A lot to learn for him.

hey, so someone agrees with me!!!

 

[thehog]

Mmm not really... Most Froome fans took up cycling and watching the sport in July 2012 so it's normal for SKY to dominate.

I mean I don't know any Froome fans from 2008. Not 1.

I was a big fan of Froome in 2008.

I loved his sideways climbing.

 

[sittingbison]

Looks like the Dawg is going to go full *** !

But he says: “I don’t feel like I’ve hit my best form yet. It’s been good but not like I’ve been absolutely flying yet. I feel on the rise but I’ve still got a few weeks to the Tour, there’s still headroom.”

 

[mewmewmew13]

there's no place left to go but up!

should be a show

 

[thehog]

there's no place left to go but up!

should be a show

Porte has lost his friggin' marbles.

I haven't seen the race plan for next week yet but I don't think we'll be using me until it has to be done. It hasn't always been that I had to ride – Critérium International I didn't have to but then Romandie I did, that was my GC. Alberto's not going to be there underdone and then you've got Rodriguez so hopefully we'll have teams that are there to work and not just leave it all for Sky to do everything as per usual.

They need to stop injecting him. Maybe if Sky wasn't doing 480w for 5 hours another team could ride on the front

 

[Ripper]

Porte has lost his friggin' marbles.



They need to stop injecting him. Maybe if Sky wasn't doing 480w for 5 hours another team could ride on the front

Good post Hog.

Oh, and Chris' uncle is skeletor.

 

[airstream]

I'd be very grateful if some forum member would try to explain such a strong ideological dislike towards Sky (Froome) rationally. An argument 'they use doping' doesn't work, because all elite athletes use it. I realize love/hate is love and hate in order to be irrational, but still...

Reading the forum during last year, I collide with the same idea which is not declared, but strongly implied — 'Sky are intruders of elite pro cycling'. How people logically come to this conclusion is a big riddle for me.

 

[blackcat]

just the hypocrisy.

wiggins and cav slamming ricco et al. or moreni, whichever that cofidis guy was at the tour.

my position, and it stands to garmin also, because i have been critical of hifalutin rhetoric that i dont think meets the road, is, shut up, and ride. by all means dope like your fellow competitors, but dont tell me you are different or pure.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I'd be very grateful if some forum member would try to explain such a strong ideological dislike towards Sky (Froome) rationally. An argument 'they use doping' doesn't work, because all elite athletes use it. I realize love/hate is love and hate in order to be irrational, but still...

* selfproclaimed cleanliness, without any proof, add in the Geert Leinders/Bartalucci story there
* transformations of riders even Armstrong would be ashamed of
* 're-inventing' the wheel if we have to believe Kerrison
* the marginal gains PR nonsense, even Ferrari says it is nonsense

PS:
I dont dislike Froome, I find him a very nice/well manored/humble fellow, just dont believe the clean mantra.
I dont dislike Wiggums, I actually think he is a funny bloke, just dont believe the clean mantra.
I dont dislike Brailsford, fill in the blanks.

etc etc

The only rider I dislike at Sky is Kirienka, never liked him, but has nothing to do with Sky.

shut up, and ride. by all means dope like your fellow competitors, but dont tell me you are different or pure

Exactly.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Porte has lost his friggin' marbles.

They need to stop injecting him. Maybe if Sky wasn't doing 480w for 5 hours another team could ride on the front

Lol Richie. This is what happens when you do drugs.

 

[airstream]

* selfproclaimed cleanliness, without any proof, add in the Geert Leinders/Bartalucci story there

They are not more sinful than anyone else on this matter. Doping system is unwavering in this regard. Landis and Vino were caught. Bruyneel and Contador were hurried to become themselves the part of new clean cycling. What is more it happened straight after the most dopage Tour in history. Others riders got popped, Sky proclaimed themselves clean. It's a vicious circle without entrance in which everyone will always spit in back of one who goes in front of him. I don't think that's the reason to award Sky with special portion of exceptional distaste.

I can understand people with strong anti doping course, but I'm not able to understand the guys who support team Sky opponents.

* transformations of riders even Armstrong would be ashamed of

What do you support then? Slow progress and podium in a GT at 30 or what? Armstrong was always an extremely talented sportsmen as far as I remember. Man is not born a GT contender, it doesn't have any special genetics. Man becomes a GT contender.

The only rider I dislike at Sky is Kirienka, never liked him, but has nothing to do with Sky.

Very cute.

 

[S2Sturges]

compare froome to a rider of the past.....

there is only one valid comparison. lance armstrong.

mystery illness. late career GT contender. unbelievable TT and climbing ability.

And Hindenburg sized egos...

 

[spalco]

* selfproclaimed cleanliness, without any proof, add in the Geert Leinders/Bartalucci story there

How would you go about "proving" that? Do you believe anyone in cycling?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Ha! Good point Spalco, you can't prove a negative.

Although I think FGL is saying they bang on about been clean and their ZTP and then they have characters like Leinders/Yates/Julich/de Jong/Rogers etc in the organisation, which basically makes a mockery of that.

In their defence I do believe their ZTP is what the sponsors want rather than team a mangement, and if allowed their policy would be closer to Garmins.

But really the hiring of Leinders is unforgivable, and you can't blame people for calling bull$hit on Sky's cleanliness in the wake of that gross error/calculated deception (delete as appropriate).

The other reasons are they're British

And they're sponsored by Murdoch.

 

[Benotti69]

Ha! Good point Spalco, you can't prove a negative.

Although I think FGL is saying they bang on about been clean and their ZTP and then they have characters like Leinders/Yates/Julich/de Jong/Rogers etc in the organisation, which basically makes a mockery of that.

In their defence I do believe their ZTP is what the sponsors want rather than team a mangement, and if allowed their policy would be closer to Garmins.

But really the hiring of Leinders is unforgivable, and you can't blame people for calling bull$hit on Sky's cleanliness in the wake of that gross error/calculated deception (delete as appropriate).

The other reasons are they're British

And they're sponsored by Murdoch.

Sky fans love to declare that you cant prove a negative.

But one thing about Sky is they constantly prove themselves to be liars.

 

[Trudgin]

Quote:
Originally Posted by T_S_A_R
compare froome to a rider of the past.....

there is only one valid comparison. lance armstrong.

mystery illness. late career GT contender. unbelievable TT and climbing ability.

And Hindenburg sized egos...
__________________

I know this is Froomes page, but this description does not just belong with him... it's all at team Sky, especially the anglos... and sorry Froome does get lumped into that bunch..

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

They are not more sinful than anyone else on this matter.

The difference though is other teams dont scream from the top of the mountains how clean they are. In other words, by doing this they - and Garmin - claim to be clean and all the others that do not scream from the top of the mountain are dirty.

What do you support then? Slow progress and podium in a GT at 30 or what? Armstrong was always an extremely talented sportsmen as far as I remember. Man is not born a GT contender, it doesn't have any special genetics. Man becomes a GT contender.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1180944/2/index.htm
''From 1990 to 2000, Armstrong was tested more than two dozen times by Catlin's UCLA lab, according to Catlin's estimate. In May 1999, USA Cycling sent a formal request to Catlin for past test results—specifically, testosterone-epitestosterone ratios—for a cyclist identified only by his drug-testing code numbers. A source with knowledge of the request says that the cyclist was Lance Armstrong. In a letter dated June 4, 1999, Catlin responded that the lab couldn't recover a total of five of the cyclist's test results from 1990, 1992 and 1993, adding, "The likelihood that we will be able to recover these old files is low." The letter went on to detail the cyclist's testosterone-epitestosterone results from 1991 to 1998, with one missing season: 1997, the only year during that span in which Armstrong didn't compete. Three results stand out: a 9.0-to-1 ratio from a sample collected on June 23, 1993; a 7.6-to-1 from July 7, 1994; and a 6.5-to-1 from June 4, 1996. Most people have a ratio of 1-to-1. Prior to 2005, any ratio above 6.0-to-1 was considered abnormally high and evidence of doping; in 2005 that ratio was lowered to 4.0-to-1.''

Yep, always a great testosterone talent.

GT riders are born that way, climbers too, TT'ers too, sprinters too. It does have to do with genetics airstream.

Very cute.

Has nothing to do with his nationality, sorry.

How would you go about "proving" that? Do you believe anyone in cycling?

So you agree they shouldnt scream from the top of the mountain something they themselves can not prove?

The other reasons are they're British

Indeed, them damned Brits!

 

[JRanton]

Why do you dislike Kiryienka, FGL?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Sky fans love to declare that you cant prove a negative.

But one thing about Sky is they constantly prove themselves to be liars.

Did you read the rest of the post past the first line Mr B? I sorta said that

 

[frenchfry]

I'd be very grateful if some forum member would try to explain such a strong ideological dislike towards Sky (Froome) rationally. An argument 'they use doping' doesn't work, because all elite athletes use it. I realize love/hate is love and hate in order to be irrational, but still...

Reading the forum during last year, I collide with the same idea which is not declared, but strongly implied — 'Sky are intruders of elite pro cycling'. How people logically come to this conclusion is a big riddle for me.

I didn't like Virenque and Festina doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Armstrong and USPS doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Landis and Phonak doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Vinokourov and Astana doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Ricco and Saunier Duval doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Schumacher and Gerosteiner doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Di Luca doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Rebellin doping (was proven to be right)
I don't like Froome/Wiggins and Sky doping (will be proven right?)

There appears to be a pattern here

 

[JimmyFingers]

They should put you in charge FF

 

[King Boonen]

I didn't like Virenque and Festina doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Armstrong and USPS doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Landis and Phonak doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Vinokourov and Astana doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Ricco and Saunier Duval doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Schumacher and Gerosteiner doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Di Luca doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Rebellin doping (was proven to be right)
I don't like Froome/Wiggins and Sky doping (will be proven right?)

There appears to be a pattern here

Who do you like?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

I didn't like Virenque and Festina doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Armstrong and USPS doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Landis and Phonak doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Vinokourov and Astana doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Ricco and Saunier Duval doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Schumacher and Gerosteiner doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Di Luca doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Rebellin doping (was proven to be right)
I don't like Froome/Wiggins and Sky doping (will be proven right?)

There appears to be a pattern here

Have there been any riders and/or teams that you did like in the last 20 years?

 

[Ferminal]

It's possible to not like the doping but still like the individual. That is if you see doping as a symptom of the system, which it is.

 

[blackcat]

I didn't like Virenque and Festina doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Armstrong and USPS doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Landis and Phonak doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Vinokourov and Astana doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Ricco and Saunier Duval doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Schumacher and Gerosteiner doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Di Luca doping (was proven to be right)
I didn't like Rebellin doping (was proven to be right)
I don't like Froome/Wiggins and Sky doping (will be proven right?)

There appears to be a pattern here

+Kirchen
+Schumacher
+Ricco.

heck, plus the whole damn pointy end
ok, u had schumacher, and ricco. but kirchen basically killed himself, without testing positive. flo jo