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[Digger]

Anyway in conclusion, has there ever been a rider with the career trajectory of froome?
I thoughts wiggins' one was far fetched...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Anyway in conclusion, has there ever been a rider with the career trajectory of froome?

Francesco de Bonis? His Romandie stage win was pretty insane.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Aitor Gonzalez' 2002 season might compare somewhat?
He had shown more than Froome, but still made a giant leap to become a GT winner

 

[Digger]

The thing about froome is that he really should have three GT's. 2011 vuelta and two tours. Add in last spring and his utter domination. It's insane.

 

[Digger]

Sky have his weight at 69kg.
Race radio has a link on the other thread where froome admits it was 66kg at the tour.
That makes his watts/kg even more nuts.

 

[Justinr]

Thanks for the response, for the sake of Justinr and others I won't reply at length.

When I mentioned that the other day it wasnt a specific dig at you or anyone, just that there had been some very long posts on the stats which seemed to veering way of track from the original point of saying that there could be more than 1 conclusion drawn.

Personally I thought most of the arguments were fairly well laid out and structured. People even went to the effort of producing graphs.

 

[BYOP88]

What clip are you talking about?
I am talking about the clip from last July when the journalist asked for Froome's VO2 max and Brailsford went all defensive!

Sorry forgot to post it, here it is http://youtu.be/1bKuqFBrE9o?t=11m32s

 

[deeno1975]

Sorry forgot to post it, here it is http://youtu.be/1bKuqFBrE9o?t=11m32s

That video is where Froome talks about his life and about his infection with bilharzia... says it eats red blood cells and also requires multiple treatments (not sure if this is medically correct or not).

This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtIhzY16iy0 is where Brailford talks about Froome's VO2 max (or lack thereof) from 3.24 on...

 

[thehog]

That video is where Froome talks about his life and about his infection with bilharzia... says it eats red blood cells and also requires multiple treatments (not sure if this is medically correct or not).

This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtIhzY16iy0 is where Brailford talks about Froome's VO2 max (or lack thereof) from 3.24 on...

I do like.... "I like to think its a start to a new approach and working more openly..."

July 2013 -> March 2014 = progress, transparency.

He is a genius

 

[Digger]

I do like.... "I like to think its a start to a new approach and working more openly..."

July 2013 -> March 2014 = progress, transparency.

He is a genius

Yes he went from we'll do it next time he's in a lab...to sky telling us they won't do it.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

That video is where Froome talks about his life and about his infection with bilharzia... says it eats red blood cells and also requires multiple treatments (not sure if this is medically correct or not).

This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtIhzY16iy0 is where Brailford talks about Froome's VO2 max (or lack thereof) from 3.24 on...

It is not medically correct. I've posted links which show what Bilharzia does (lays eggs everywhere, which cause fibrosis of liver and kidneys), as well as posted a link to a study which shows that Bilharzia (and other, similar infections) do not affect hematocrit or VO2max.

John Swanson

 

[Digger]

Again I'll say this. Why would you not do it?

 

[BYOP88]

That video is where Froome talks about his life and about his infection with bilharzia... says it eats red blood cells and also requires multiple treatments (not sure if this is medically correct or not).

This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtIhzY16iy0 is where Brailford talks about Froome's VO2 max (or lack thereof) from 3.24 on...

I posted the clip with Froome saying what he did, because it would appear to go against what a Team Sky Doctor told Walsh about Froome's blood profile. As a journalist surely Walsh should do some research.

 

[The Hitch]

That video is where Froome talks about his life and about his infection with bilharzia... says it eats red blood cells and also requires multiple treatments (not sure if this is medically correct or not).

It is medically incorrect. There are probably people on here who have had Bilharzia who can tell you that it doesn't require multiple treatments.

Here is what the individual who first pointed out that Froome's disease was inconsistent with medical science, had to say on that.

If schistosomasis/bilharzia was diagnosed in 2010, Froome should have been given the one day treatment and it should have no longer been an issue. The only reported occurrences of when the initial treatment does not eradicate the infection is when a heavy worm burden is in the system (i.e. a lot of worms infected Froome.) Even in those cases, treatment does not drag on for 18 months+. A heavy worm burden would also make the symptoms more severe than "I was always getting little colds and coughs, nothing serious".

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=21198

 

[thehog]

Yes he went from we'll do it next time he's in a lab...to sky telling us they won't do it.

Well more the point that his position at the time was one of frustration at the constant questions and scepticism.

Brailsford appealed to the media to say "what do you want us to do? How do we show you what we're doing is legitimate and clean?"

Since that time it's been more of the same or actually it's been a hell of lot more closed off and convoluted.

In the video Brailsdord said his 'got the ball rolling' with UK anti-doping and WADA. The result of that was....?

 

[SundayRider]

Again I'll say this. Why would you not do it?

I think the reason why he wouldn't do it is pretty obvious

 

[dolophonic]

Wow. The Brailsford video is crazy .. " you got to be careful "
no Dave you got to be careful .... he acts like doing a VO2MAx test is a ridiculous idea. I mean who would think of looking at that kind of data. Totally redundant.
The fact he says we do everything and its not enough is so disingenuous. Pretty obvious its not enough Dave .. people are not asking for a splice of his DNA pre 2011 they are simply wondering why Sky have chosen to ignore one of the most trusted metrics in sports science. Unreal.

 

[DirtyWorks]

It is medically incorrect. There are probably people on here who have had Bilharzia who can tell you that it doesn't require multiple treatments.

Here is what the individual who first pointed out that Froome's disease was inconsistent with medical science, had to say on that.



http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=21198

I'm not disagreeing with you but there is a pedantic response that goes something like, "That's not true either... There's plenty of research of patients needing multiple treatments." And then ignoring the fact the patients may not be aware enough to reinfect themselves, have *really* spotty medical care, terrible water quality, and a number of other cases that do not apply to Froome.

I will forgive Froome mangling the description of the disease. But, a disease that somehow induces extreme gains in power/performance has to die. We've already seen it used in cycling before and we all know how that ended.

 

[Justinr]

It is medically incorrect. There are probably people on here who have had Bilharzia who can tell you that it doesn't require multiple treatments.

Here is what the individual who first pointed out that Froome's disease was inconsistent with medical science, had to say on that.



http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=21198

But you can also do plenty of searches of medical sites that say multiple treatments may be required, especially if you have had it for some time. I've even seen one site that says annual treatments are needed.

 

[Justinr]

I'm not disagreeing with you but there is a pedantic response that goes something like, "That's not true either... There's plenty of research of patients needing multiple treatments." And then ignoring the fact the patients may not be aware enough to reinfect themselves, have *really* spotty medical care, terrible water quality, and a number of other cases that do not apply to Froome.

I will forgive Froome mangling the description of the disease. But, a disease that somehow induces extreme gains in power/performance has to die. We've already seen it used in cycling before and we all know how that ended.

Missed this before I posted my response. Pedantic or otherwise it was based on internet research much like other views on here ...

 

[Justinr]

Well more the point that his position at the time was one of frustration at the constant questions and scepticism.

Brailsford appealed to the media to say "what do you want us to do? How do we show you what we're doing is legitimate and clean?"

Since that time it's been more of the same or actually it's been a hell of lot more closed off and convoluted.

In the video Brailsdord said his 'got the ball rolling' with UK anti-doping and WADA. The result of that was....?

I remember that interview - to be fair I'm not surprised if he came across as flustered, annoyed, etc.

Didn't UKAD and WADA turn round and say they couldn't help as it was not their role / in their remit?

 

[mikeoneill]

I remember that interview - to be fair I'm not surprised if he came across as flustered, annoyed, etc.

Didn't UKAD and WADA turn round and say they couldn't help as it was not their role / in their remit?

correct

but he wasn't really flustered

happily for brailsford

he knew that his request would be refused

 

[Justinr]

correct

but he wasn't really flustered

happily for brailsford

he knew that his request would be refused

Well I think they were right as I dont think they should get involved on specifics like this.

However I dont see why WADA/UCI/whoever shouldnt make the ABP values publicly available for all riders.

On a lighter note The CN.com Forum IT managers might not like it as it would probably quadruple traffic & storage requirements overnight...

 

[ferryman]

I'm not disagreeing with you but there is a pedantic response that goes something like, "That's not true either... There's plenty of research of patients needing multiple treatments." And then ignoring the fact the patients may not be aware enough to reinfect themselves, have *really* spotty medical care, terrible water quality, and a number of other cases that do not apply to Froome.

I will forgive Froome mangling the description of the disease. But, a disease that somehow induces extreme gains in power/performance has to die. We've already seen it used in cycling before and we all know how that ended.

I can only reply as I have before. My sister in law is South African with a medical background. She literally rolled her eyes when I mentioned this, it is so common. Her words, you get it, you get A pill, you get cured. Unless, her words again, you are stupid enough to go swimming in the same place again.

Now, none of the above may apply to Froome if he had some sort of super infection, but her totally dismissive reaction to my question was telling to me.

 

[The Hitch]

I've even seen one site that says annual treatments are needed.

I'll play this along. Links?