Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[TailWindHome]

Antoine VAYER

Froome,can you confirm that at mountain Madone,11.89 km, 23rd June,1week before #TDF13 your time 30:09= 459 watts, Weight 66 kg = 6.95 W/kg?



Any advance on 6.95?

 

[Benotti69]

To be fair to the lad, he went to a team with a shocking rider development program. Done well to succeed in spite of them.

Has Dave Brailsford not been developing talent on 2 wheels for a decade or more? He has a lot of gold medal winners to prove it!

Now Sky are not the masters of details that they proclaimed? So how did they turn Froome into a GT winner?

The coach of the millennium is a fraud? So who masterminded Wiggins and Froome's TdF wins?

 

[Nathan12]

Has Dave Brailsford not been developing talent on 2 wheels for a decade or more? He has a lot of gold medal winners to prove it!

Now Sky are not the masters of details that they proclaimed? So how did they turn Froome into a GT winner?

The coach of the millennium is a fraud? So who masterminded Wiggins and Froome's TdF wins?

Think he means Barloworld. He's still wrong, mind.

 

[elduggo]

wiggins should out froome, then take his tour spot.

 

[the sceptic]

Antoine VAYER

Froome,can you confirm that at mountain Madone,11.89 km, 23rd June,1week before #TDF13 your time 30:09= 459 watts, Weight 66 kg = 6.95 W/kg?



Any advance on 6.95?

Its like they dont even bother to hide it anymore. It can only mean Dawg is going to go full alien and break more doping records this year.

But not to worry, Im sure the numbers are wrong, even when they are coming from Froome himself.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

I can't wait to find out what Froome's regimen is. That level of sophistication and science will put Ferrari to shame.

 

[LaFlorecita]

wiggins should out froome, then take his tour spot.

We can dream

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Yup.

In claiming he is clean he is saying he is the greatest climber in history. Faster then Merckx, LeMond, Hinault, Coppi, Lucho, Gaul, Van Impe. Not by a little, but a lot. He would put 3-4 minutes on any of them on a 30 minute climb, regardless of equipment.

Funny how that talent did not not show up in his first 5 years as a full time athlete. Late bloomer I guess.

Has Dave Brailsford not been developing talent on 2 wheels for a decade or more? He has a lot of gold medal winners to prove it!

Now Sky are not the masters of details that they proclaimed? So how did they turn Froome into a GT winner?

The coach of the millennium is a fraud? So who masterminded Wiggins and Froome's TdF wins?

Check the results. Then subtract a Froome transformation (impossible I know). Then recall the rubble of 2013 Sky train, compare riders out vs riders in & riders missed. Sky's dominance is exaggerated in support of the doping agenda. Without Froome, they'd be nowhere.

 

[Race Radio]

To be fair to the lad, he went to a team with a shocking rider development program. Done well to succeed in spite of them.

Oh brother

Greg LeMond went from racing against a bunch of guys on Schwinns in office parks to crushing it in Europe within a few month. Froome would have put at least 4 minutes on him on a 30 minutes. 4 Minutes.

Froome was racing as a full time athlete for 5 years then suddenly becomes the greatest climber in history in the space of a few weeks in September?

LeMond just should have trained harder, what a slacker

 

[More Strides than Rides]

I found this thread when I was googling around, pretty interesting read about some guy juicing to try to become a pro.

http://www.cyclingforums.com/t/271814/my-experience-with-drugs-and-blood-doping

I also used EPO for 4 months 4000 iu's injected sub Q in the lower belly fat once a week to build, and then 1000 a week to hold. 4000iu's will bring your hematocrit up 1% a week.
I went up to 54% but even at 50%, the legal limit in the pro ranks , my performance was unreal.
My sustainable power output went from 350 to 420 in three months!!! That's a 20% gain!!!

The more I think about Froome's timeline, the more traditional doping of EPO and BB does not make sense. How fast was Froome's turnaround? A matter of weeks, not months, with a higher top end.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Oh brother

Greg LeMond went from racing against a bunch of guys on Schwinns in office parks to crushing it in Europe within a few month. Froome would have put at least 4 minutes on him on a 30 minutes. 4 Minutes.

Froome was racing as a full time athlete for 5 years then suddenly becomes the greatest climber in history in the space of a few weeks in September?

LeMond just should have trained harder, what a slacker

No need for that. It was a partial joke. I'm not claiming his progression is normal by any means. I was failing to highlight the incompatibility of Sky's alleged management genius not noticing a GT crusher under their noses.

But I do think greatest climber in history is a bit exaggerated. Quintana was at least his equal (imo) uphill last year.

Edit: More generally it's an incredibly miserable experience contributing anything which goes against the accepted orthodoxy in these parts. Disagreement is expected, of course. But the immediate attacks on intelligence, experience, agenda, must drive away many with interesting thoughts to share. Shame. (Not aimed at any poster in particular)

 

[gillan1969]

Oh brother

Greg LeMond went from racing against a bunch of guys on Schwinns in office parks to crushing it in Europe within a few month. Froome would have put at least 4 minutes on him on a 30 minutes. 4 Minutes.

Froome was racing as a full time athlete for 5 years then suddenly becomes the greatest climber in history in the space of a few weeks in September?

LeMond just should have trained harder, what a slacker

exactly...we know what happens when you're doing pro miles with a VO2 in the mid 90s...you can rip it up at will...as Lemond did pre-shooting...in fact he was ripping apart seniors as a junior

Froome on the other hand...............5 years of mediocrity

 

[elduggo]

The more I think about Froome's timeline, the more traditional doping of EPO and BB does not make sense. How fast was Froome's turnaround? A matter of weeks, not months, with a higher top end.

what do people think Cobo was on? He had the (almost) inverse timeline to Froome. From demi-god to zero in the space of a couple of months. He was the only one who could live with Froome in that Vuelta.

Maybe not (or not only) EPO but not necessarily something that hasn't been done before, or isn't being done by others.

 

[Benotti69]

Check the results. Then subtract a Froome transformation (impossible I know). Then recall the rubble of 2013 Sky train, compare riders out vs riders in & riders missed. Sky's dominance is exaggerated in support of the doping agenda. Without Froome, they'd be nowhere.

They have won the last 2 TdFs. They should've won the 2011 Vuelta. Hmmm, no doping agenda. Point to the last clean winner of the TdF?

 

[Digger]

No need for that. It was a partial joke. I'm not claiming his progression is normal by any means. I was failing to highlight the incompatibility of Sky's alleged management genius not noticing a GT crusher under their noses.

But I do think greatest climber in history is a bit exaggerated. Quintana was at least his equal (imo) uphill last year.

Edit: More generally it's an incredibly miserable experience contributing anything which goes against the accepted orthodoxy in these parts. Disagreement is expected, of course. But the immediate attacks on intelligence, experience, agenda, must drive away many with interesting thoughts to share. Shame. (Not aimed at any poster in particular)

You've got some cheek to come out with this considering how you behave.
A person who posted details about me, what he thought was my name and address (wrong on both) elsewhere.

 

[Catwhoorg]

what do people think Cobo was on? He had the (almost) inverse timeline to Froome. From demi-god to zero in the space of a couple of months. He was the only one who could live with Froome in that Vuelta.

Maybe not (or not only) EPO but not necessarily something that hasn't been done before, or isn't being done by others.

I 100% believe he took a blood transfusion before the Angliru stage.

 

[Nathan12]

I 100% believe he took a blood transfusion before the Angliru stage.

Cobo or Froome?

 

[Catwhoorg]

Cobo or Froome?

Cobo, there was such a step change in his performance during the race that day.

 

[elduggo]

Cobo, there was such a step change in his performance during the race that day.

yes it beggared belief what he did that day. But, he was super-strong on the Pena Carbaga too, a climb that a rider with his profile had no business going up as quickly as he did. So I doubt it was a once-off for the Angliru stage.

 

[roundabout]

Cobo, there was such a step change in his performance during the race that day.

Cobo was also the best on the Farrapona stage.

But Angliru was something else.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Oh brother

Greg LeMond went from racing against a bunch of guys on Schwinns in office parks to crushing it in Europe within a few month. Froome would have put at least 4 minutes on him on a 30 minutes. 4 Minutes.

Froome was racing as a full time athlete for 5 years then suddenly becomes the greatest climber in history in the space of a few weeks in September?

LeMond just should have trained harder, what a slacker

That would be 5 minutes 20 seconds on a ~40 minute climb. He'd have to climb Alpe d'Huez like Pantani to beat Lemond and his contemporaries by that much.

 

[jens_attacks]

That would be 5 minutes 20 seconds on a ~40 minute climb. He'd have to climb Alpe d'Huez like Pantani to beat Lemond and his contemporaries by that much.

well if he can do 7 w/kg for a 30 minutes climb, he very well could beat pantani's time on alpe. so possible yes.

 

[The Hitch]

But I do think greatest climber in history is a bit exaggerated. Quintana was at least his equal (imo) uphill last year.

In which case he would be the joint greatest climber in history.

Ergo, still the greatest climber in history and not exaggerated at all.

 

[sniper]

In which case he would be the joint greatest climber in history.

Ergo, still the greatest climber in history and not exaggerated at all.

And never mind that sky also have the second best tdf rider ever, clean wiggins.
Having discovered amd trained those two athletes en passent makes brailsford the best manager ever in the history of the sport.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

well if he can do 7 w/kg for a 30 minutes climb, he very well could beat pantani's time on alpe. so possible yes.

What did Quintana do? 39? Yes, he could, he was sandbagging on the Alpe.