sniper said:Thanks for that.
I dont get the first two lines though.
who,s "he" and who showed signs of weakness?
Sir Bradley in 2012
sniper said:Thanks for that.
I dont get the first two lines though.
who,s "he" and who showed signs of weakness?
TailWindHome said:This.
I give him the benefit of the doubt until further evidence emerges and reserve the right to change my mind if it does.
YMMV
deValtos said:Eh ??
A discussion between what is humanly possible and what Froome is capable of would be very similar if Froome were clean, since he would be one of those guys pushing what is humanly possible.
TailWindHome said:I think he'd have significantly improved his time by doing nothing more than changing to a modern wheelset.
red_flanders said:I'll give him the benefit of the doubt when someone explains to me how a human could transform from middle-pack rider to worldbeater clean.
No one has ever been able to explain this.
Benotti69 said:Froome wasn't picked for the 2011 Vuelta team! He only got a place on the team because Norhaug got ill. Then Sky didn't even expect him to finish the race.
Clean! CLEAN! What planet are people on when the Sky didn't think he was good enough to pick in the 1st place and then when they had no choice but to pick him didn't expect him to finish the race!
Ventoux Boar said:re Bahamontes and equipment improvements, a scientist writes
Ross Tucker
FWIW from the same article he estimates Froome's mutant Ax3 VAM at 1715.
red_flanders said:Eh?
Why wasn't he even remotely coming close to finding the limits of human potential for the first several years of his career? He wan't even going to get a pro contract. Not what you see from guys pushing the bounds of human potential. Generally.
DirtyWorks said:It sure is convenient of you to forget that the rest of the peloton is riding in the same races with modern wheelsets.
the sceptic said:Yes, but you havent explained how he is doping either! (just kidding)
I would like Froome defenders to imagine how good Froome would be if he got put on the same doping program as Lance.
Lets say this would give him a 10% boost, which would mean something like 3-5 minutes on every MTF. Since we already know that Froome is as good if not better than Lance cleans, it means he would drop him like a stone on every MTF and win the tour by something like 20 minutes.
Does that sound plausible to anyone?
deValtos said:Wait what ? I get the feeling you're responding to a completely different point.
My original point was the discussion of what is humanly possible and what Froome is capable of are different if Froome doped but similar if he's clean. You said they weren't.
If he's clean, then he's pushing the limits of whats humanly possible right now.
If he's doped then he's probably not.
The fact that he wasn't pushing the limits of human potential in the first part of his career is completely irrelevant to that, I don't know what you're arguing against.
DirtyWorks said:I've seen that race!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og76z4kGMQU
(start about 10 minutes in. Things get ridiculous by minute 12.)
DirtyWorks said:What year is this again? It feels like 2004.
This equipment argument has risen from the dead once more. It died for a reason. It turns out it *was* doping that lead to numerous podiums and countless record-breaking climbing tests.
GuyIncognito said:...and that's your reaction to a stage won by not even 50 seconds. Imagine your reaction to Froome winning by 5 minutes
JimmyFingers said:Are you serious bro? You going to take a quote out of context and throw a huge strawman at me? I said nothing at all like this, did I? Where do you even get this from? Its bizarre. Hoggo threw up a British stereotype of aggressive hooligan against a knowledgeable Italian and I challenged that stereotype, nothing more. All the white noise you just spewed out was all in your own head, not mine.
I'm really very tired of being completely miss-represented in my motives, my support, my personality. Stop speaking for me.
nicethe sceptic said:Yes, but you havent explained how he is doping either! (just kidding)
I would like Froome defenders to imagine how good Froome would be if he got put on the same doping program as Lance.
Lets say this would give him a 10% boost, which would mean something like 3-5 minutes on every MTF. Since we already know that Froome is as good if not better than Lance cleans, it means he would drop him like a stone on every MTF and win the tour by something like 20 minutes.
Does that sound plausible to anyone?
good grief, what a freak show.DirtyWorks said:I've seen that race!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og76z4kGMQU
(start about 10 minutes in. Things get ridiculous by minute 12.)
Benotti69 said:Dopers dont stop pushing the limits of their natural ability and rely on the dope.
Dopers train hard and with the dope it allows them to train harder. THese guys are not doping and going for a spin to the coffee shop.
Froome had the talent to be a pro. But not the talent to win GTs.
Ventoux Boar said:Go back a few posts. It was in reference to ScienceIsCool's claim that there had been no material equipment (or other) improvements since the Bahamontes era. In fact if you'd read the quote I posted you'll have noted that it states recent improvements offer neglible performance enhancements by comparison.
Digger said:What I want to know is how the Froome defenders think he's able to beat these doped riders, whilst clean...imagine what he'd win by if everyone was clean...about three or four hours...is he that much of a freak that he's not alone better than these guys, but better than them when they dope...I mean Jesus....![]()
I also used EPO for 4 months 4000 iu's injected sub Q in the lower belly fat once a week to build, and then 1000 a week to hold. 4000iu's will bring your hematocrit up 1% a week.
I went up to 54% but even at 50%, the legal limit in the pro ranks , my performance was unreal.
My sustainable power output went from 350 to 420 in three months!!! That's a 20% gain!!!
DirtyWorks said:John's point is valid. Yes, the equipment has gotten lighter. But that's nothing compared to oxygen vector doping.
Ventoux Boar said:Well who said it was comparable? John said (in terms) that Bahamontes wouldn't have gone faster on modern kit. That's ludicrous. But it's helpful to see the strength of your tribal bond.