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fmk_RoI said:
brownbobby said:
The most oft repeated reason for peoples absolute certainty of Froomes doping is the magical 3 week transformation from pack fodder/donkey/insert your own put down....to the best GT rider of a generation. Its the timing and sheer unprecedented nature of this transformation that leaves me so unsure, rather than convincing me as it seems to have done many others.

I think it can be taken as fact that Sky were about to offload Froome before his magical transformation, so this is what i dont understand; Why would Sky invest so much and take such a big risk on a rider they were looking to let go? Surely they wouldn't, so do we assume that Froome went freelance with the most successful doping programme ever undertaken in such a short space of time?

Again i find this hard to believe, the type of programmes being spoken about i would imagine would be both prohibitively expensive (ive read that an effective use of Aicar/GW5156 would be in the region of £1m at the time) for a rider of Froomes status at the time and extremely difficult to undertake without the knowledge of the full team/medical support. Im pretty sure old school EPO couldn't bring about this transformation alone.
One of the interesting things about this comment is that while it appears to be open to the possibility that doping is the cause of the transition, it immediately shuts the door on such a possibility, suggesting a doping regime described that is allegedly prohibitively expensive, and thus blocks the possibility of other doping programmes.
Not quite sure how you read between the lines of my comment to come to that conclusion, but its the wrong conclusion. For the record, i believe, on the balance of probability, that Froome is cheating somehow. I just have doubts about the most commonly proposed theories for exactly how he's cheating, doubts which you have requoted above. Doubts which i've posted on here to seek the thoughts of others.

Simple as that really, its unfortunate if you continue to see any agenda other than that in my posts.
 
brownbobby said:
Because his job was to help Wiggins win the Vuelta, which he was doing in the first week very well.
He was a lab rat in the summer of 2011, rehearsal for Wiggins Tour next year. Vuelta wasn't their target at all.[/quote]
Since you know so much about he was and what he did in 2011 why dont you enlighten us? :rolleyes:[/quote]

we all know what he did in 2011...we saw it..

the collective "who is that?" was uttered across the continent as soon as the road went upwards in the Vuelta

in scenes reminiscent of Wiggo in 2009

seems a more plausible explanation the badzilla and the diet....[/quote]

We all know what happened in 2011.

But we're all still searching for answers as to what he did (ie. the exact methods employed) to make what happened happen...[/quote]

indeed we are

just because you don't know how the magician managed to saw the body in half...you still know he didn't saw the body in half
 
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GraftPunk said:
Froome and Sky could dispel some of the suspicion by releasing that pre-transformation data...
Nope because that would only confirm that Froome's transformation is PED/Motor realted.
 
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brownbobby said:
We all know what happened in 2011.

But we're all still searching for answers as to what he did (ie. the exact methods employed) to make what happened happen...
Don't worry. It will be a combination of PEDs and motors. :)
 
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Angliru said:
@ rickjames

I was referring to the BS droppings that you leave in the PRR Contador thread, although I'm sure you're fairly consistent with your BS all over the forum. :)
Just because I don't believe the sun shines out Bertie's arse like some on here...Bertie deserves to be ridiculed
 
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thehog said:
rick james said:
Benotti69 said:
brownbobby said:
We all know what happened in 2011.

But we're all still searching for answers as to what he did (ie. the exact methods employed) to make what happened happen...
Don't worry. It will be a combination of PEDs and motors. :)
Will it? How do you know that? Guess work again?
You didn’t see Ventoux 2013? ET mode? :cool:
Ventoux 2013 implies he used motor in 2011 :confused:
 
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rick james said:
Angliru said:
@ rickjames

I was referring to the BS droppings that you leave in the PRR Contador thread, although I'm sure you're fairly consistent with your BS all over the forum. :)
Just because I don't believe the sun shines out Bertie's **** like some on here...Bertie deserves to be ridiculed
You know, you were very respectful in your posts (except for the one about the "shitz") after his win on Angliru and after the Vuelta was over so I will sincerely apologize.

Edit: Although I do firmly think that you believe the sun and many interstellar constellations shine out of your hero Froome's narrow derriere.
 
silvergrenade said:
Blanco said:
thehog said:
wansteadimp said:
thehog said:
Re: Froome. He did the Olympic test race after Poland in London. He then went to Manchester then to the Vuelta.

As for EPO use, I don’t think it would help anyone in Poland. A largely flat course ridden flat out. My theory is something occurred in Manchester, GW516 & AICAR, fitness in a pill.

In 2012 Froome went missing again for Badzhilla said he had another treatment and came back to the Tour absurdly skinny and in amazing form.

In 2013 Froome claims he has been “cured”.
The curious part is why? Not due to ride the Vuelta, about to be dropped by Sky.

Why are Sky/BC keen to give him expensive meds at this point? So he can prove how great he is that they have to give him a fat contract.

Leinders has been on the scene for virtually a full season at this point and not succeeded (more likely not tried given Froome's spot on SDBs graph!).
Because his job was to help Wiggins win the Vuelta, which he was doing in the first week very well.
He was a lab rat in the summer of 2011, rehearsal for Wiggins Tour next year. Vuelta wasn't their target at all.
Since you know so much about he was and what he did in 2011 why dont you enlighten us? :rolleyes:
I just did!
 
miguelindurain111 said:
Blanco said:
thehog said:
wansteadimp said:
thehog said:
Re: Froome. He did the Olympic test race after Poland in London. He then went to Manchester then to the Vuelta.

As for EPO use, I don’t think it would help anyone in Poland. A largely flat course ridden flat out. My theory is something occurred in Manchester, GW516 & AICAR, fitness in a pill.

In 2012 Froome went missing again for Badzhilla said he had another treatment and came back to the Tour absurdly skinny and in amazing form.

In 2013 Froome claims he has been “cured”.
The curious part is why? Not due to ride the Vuelta, about to be dropped by Sky.

Why are Sky/BC keen to give him expensive meds at this point? So he can prove how great he is that they have to give him a fat contract.

Leinders has been on the scene for virtually a full season at this point and not succeeded (more likely not tried given Froome's spot on SDBs graph!).
Because his job was to help Wiggins win the Vuelta, which he was doing in the first week very well.
He was a lab rat in the summer of 2011, rehearsal for Wiggins Tour next year. Vuelta wasn't their target at all.
And at the same time was offered to Vaughters and Bruyneel :confused:
He was offered before, but when they turned him down, Sky made him an offer he can't refuse :p
 
miguelindurain111 said:
thehog said:
rick james said:
Benotti69 said:
brownbobby said:
We all know what happened in 2011.

But we're all still searching for answers as to what he did (ie. the exact methods employed) to make what happened happen...
Don't worry. It will be a combination of PEDs and motors. :)
Will it? How do you know that? Guess work again?
You didn’t see Ventoux 2013? ET mode? :cool:
Ventoux 2013 implies he used motor in 2011 :confused:
No, there were PED's in 2011 and 2012, by him and Wiggins (and the whole train), motors came into play in 2013, because they were so afraid of AC Velasco.
 
miguelindurain111 said:
Naah Sky knew that bertie won't be able even podium in le Tour after his ban.
He would have certainly been in the podium of 2014 TDF without the crash and he would have had a very high chance of winning it (higher than Froome's imo if none of the 2 had crashed, not sure if he could have taken the 2:30 out of Nibali but I think he could've) so I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. He was flying all year in 2014.
Contador was doping both before and after his ban.
 
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Forever The Best said:
miguelindurain111 said:
Naah Sky knew that bertie won't be able even podium in le Tour after his ban.
He would have certainly been in the podium of 2014 TDF without the crash and he would have had a very high chance of winning it (higher than Froome's imo if none of the 2 had crashed, not sure if he could have taken the 2:30 out of Nibali but I think he could've) so I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. He was flying all year in 2014.
Contador was doping both before and after his ban.
Yeah yeah yeah bertie would have won everything if there weren't ifs :lol:
 
miguelindurain111 said:
Forever The Best said:
miguelindurain111 said:
Naah Sky knew that bertie won't be able even podium in le Tour after his ban.
He would have certainly been in the podium of 2014 TDF without the crash and he would have had a very high chance of winning it (higher than Froome's imo if none of the 2 had crashed, not sure if he could have taken the 2:30 out of Nibali but I think he could've) so I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. He was flying all year in 2014.
Contador was doping both before and after his ban.
Yeah yeah yeah Bertie would have won everything if there weren't ifs :lol:
Grand Tour 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017
Pink jersey Giro d'Italia — — — — 1 — — 1 — — — 1 — —
Yellow jersey Tour de France — 31 — 1 — 1 1 5 — 4 DNF 5 DNF 9
golden jersey Vuelta a España — — — — 1 — — — 1 — 1 — 4 5

Yup.
Look at his amazing performances from 2012 at the Tour. Froome was so afraid of him. :D :lol:
 
miguelindurain111 said:
Forever The Best said:
miguelindurain111 said:
Naah Sky knew that bertie won't be able even podium in le Tour after his ban.
He would have certainly been in the podium of 2014 TDF without the crash and he would have had a very high chance of winning it (higher than Froome's imo if none of the 2 had crashed, not sure if he could have taken the 2:30 out of Nibali but I think he could've) so I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. He was flying all year in 2014.
Contador was doping both before and after his ban.
Yeah yeah yeah bertie would have won everything if there weren't ifs :lol:
2009 bertie would :lol:
 
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miguelindurain111 said:
LaFlorecita said:
This thread is about how dirty a cheat Chris Froome is, please don't bring Berto into it, stop derailing the thread thank you very much
Actually it was Blanco who brought bertie and the blood bags (an unfamous spanish pop band) into this thread.

viewtopic.php?p=2200230#p2200230
And you and your mates kept going on about it for several posts after that.
 
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rick james said:
LaFlorecita said:
This thread is about how dirty a cheat Chris Froome is, please don't bring Berto into it, stop derailing the thread thank you very much
that's guess work on your part, we know for a fact bertie is a dirty cheat and a liar
Seems you can't discuss Froome without bringing Bertie into it - in the Clinic or PRR. What Bertie was up to is not related to what Froome is up to, so why not take the Bertie stuff to the Contador is juiced thread where it belongs?
 
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Electress said:
rick james said:
LaFlorecita said:
This thread is about how dirty a cheat Chris Froome is, please don't bring Berto into it, stop derailing the thread thank you very much
that's guess work on your part, we know for a fact bertie is a dirty cheat and a liar
Seems you can't discuss Froome without bringing Bertie into it - in the Clinic or PRR. What Bertie was up to is not related to what Froome is up to, so why not take the Bertie stuff to the Contador is juiced thread where it belongs?
lol
 

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