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airstream said:I don't whine, I'm just surprise. It probably even makes me to support them
Fearless Greg Lemond said:
spalco said:And now? Forum consensus seems to have forgiven him.
Galic Ho said:He looks like he has dropped considerable weight since then.
Galic Ho said:He looks like he has dropped considerable weight since then.
thehog said:And gained considerable power.
airstream said:I don't whine, I'm just surprise. It probably even makes me to support them
Ripper said:Nah, you whine.
excuse me, I understand you very bad. You criticize Armstrong for using doping in the 90's. when 100% of world cup riders used EPO, (some of them used EPO so much that as Tyler wrote, their hc hit 60-65 and they had to wake up in the night and seat on stationary bike, pedal in order not to die from weak puls)? You criticize him so using doping in the 2000'sFearless Greg Lemond said:The difference though is other teams dont scream from the top of the mountains how clean they are. In other words, by doing this they - and Garmin - claim to be clean and all the others that do not scream from the top of the mountain are dirty.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1180944/2/index.htm
''From 1990 to 2000, Armstrong was tested more than two dozen times by Catlin's UCLA lab, according to Catlin's estimate. In May 1999, USA Cycling sent a formal request to Catlin for past test results—specifically, testosterone-epitestosterone ratios—for a cyclist identified only by his drug-testing code numbers. A source with knowledge of the request says that the cyclist was Lance Armstrong. In a letter dated June 4, 1999, Catlin responded that the lab couldn't recover a total of five of the cyclist's test results from 1990, 1992 and 1993, adding, "The likelihood that we will be able to recover these old files is low." The letter went on to detail the cyclist's testosterone-epitestosterone results from 1991 to 1998, with one missing season: 1997, the only year during that span in which Armstrong didn't compete. Three results stand out: a 9.0-to-1 ratio from a sample collected on June 23, 1993; a 7.6-to-1 from July 7, 1994; and a 6.5-to-1 from June 4, 1996. Most people have a ratio of 1-to-1. Prior to 2005, any ratio above 6.0-to-1 was considered abnormally high and evidence of doping; in 2005 that ratio was lowered to 4.0-to-1.''
airstream said:excuse me, I understand you very bad. You criticize Armstrong for using doping in the 90's. when 100% of world cup riders used EPO, (some of them used EPO so much that as Tyler wrote, their hc hit 60-65 and they had to wake up in the night and seat on stationary bike, pedal in order not to die from weak puls)? You criticize him so using doping in the 2000's
when no rider could get spot in top-30 without doping?
Sorry, but your thoughts remind me some primitive communal system (slaves and people of quality from generation to generation). According to you any rider is born with a certain genetics which predetermines his cycling speciality subsequently. I strongly disagree with that. In sport like in any other sphere people build themselves by their own. If a rider couldn't show himself like a GT contender until 25-27 years, it can say about very different things. Not only about absence of talent. And it works for any cycling profiles. Pettacchi became an elite sprinter at 28 or 29. Before he was nobody. Just a flat gregario. Rodriguez had nothing but Vuelta maglia carmesí (for which nobody fighted) until 28. There are a few other examples like these.
airstream said:I asked to explain double standarts in attitude to the riders. You failed to do it. Or sorry, probably you didn't try. However, come le Tour and you or similar posters will start posting something like 'Contador, do them in'. And there is a huge double game in such words.
Froome got bilharzia before that year, and it is not sure that was in Kenya. Some estudies said he got bilharzia since 2008.Fearless Greg Lemond said:What I have always wondered on the bilharzia thingie is this:
Froome grows up in Kenya, untill at least 14 years old when his parents move to South Africa, where he trains with the great David Kinjah ''in the rural highlands north of Nairobi''. Yet, never catches the parasite.
Then, as an adult of 25 years, one year before his contract is due, in prime health we may assume, he goes on a safari in Kenya, hugging elephants et all, catches bilharzia, is cured and within a year he is the best climber and the third best TT'er of the world.
What are the odds for that?
airstream said:argumentation?
Taxus4a said:Froome got bilharzia before that year, and it is not sure that was in Kenya. Some estudies said he got bilharzia since 2008.
Bilharzia is not so common as to catch it just to be living there, but not so strange (a lot of people have in Africa) as to be very odd to get in a trip.
A ot of peopple in the world has the disease and they dont know it.
He was unlucky, of course, but luck and unluck are normal in life.
He has the parasit still in his system in 2013, but they can fight now againts him and it is not a problem.
thehog said:Froome was so unlucky his badzhilla would hit at opportune times and then magically clear up just prior to GTs.
Very unlucky. Just like his bio passport data. I'm sure it looks like a seismograph on the san andreas fault line.
the sceptic said:Froome on the other hand has of course always been known as one of the greatest talents of his generation.
ein??thehog said:Froome was so unlucky his badzhilla would hit at opportune times and then magically clear up just prior to GTs.
Taxus4a said:One of them, he showed that at Giro delle Regione amongs other races, but mainly in test. yes.
But he makes the difference with his mind, not only in his big engine.
thehog said:You can go from grupetto to GT winner with your mind?
What about the Atomic Jock Race? That was a big victory.
"The simple truth is that we outwork everyone. But when you perform at a higher level in a race, you get questions about doping."
"We are completely innocent. We run a very clean and professional team that has been singled out due to our success …
thehog said:You can go from grupetto to GT winner with your mind?
What about the Atomic Jock Race? That was a big victory.
the sceptic said:According to this guy you can.