Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Dirty Dennis]

Isn't it funny?

The Armstrong books Walsh wrote never made a cent, penny or Euro.

Think you guys are making up stories again.

Can you back up that claim?

'Seven Deadly Sins' just won him Journalist of the Year.

 

[Dirty Dennis]

And take down the entire British Cycling media, getting people out of a job?

No way.

I think Walsh really thinks they are clean, tunnelvisioned, just like us in a way. In his own words: 'a fan with a typewriter'.

It wouldn't take down 'the entire British Cycling media' anymore than the Armstrong stuff took down the US cycling media.

People love scandal. Look at us all gossiping away here

 

[Taxus4a]

Yeah, life is full coincidences, aient it?

I'll give the doc a ring, or was it a blood control by the uci?
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/cnt/DMF20121102_00356011
"I was late 2010 at the wedding of my brother in Kenya, when the International Cycling Union (UCI) checked me for the blood passport. I immediately asked to examine all parameters. When she discovered that I suffer from the disease.''

Care to react to that non - intelligent question?

This is a very interesting interview for me. Thank you

I was surprised nobody asked some questions, but here there are.

It sound everything a little bit odd, yes, but any evidence of anything wrong, IMO.

I think anyway that there are things to clear up about that part of the story. I hope will happen, becouse I think there is nothing to hire.

The more strange thing for me was why a rider that was considerer with some potential, and he had the risk than a disease that is not very strange in Kenia could be affecting him... why he wasnt checked before?

But I had some experience in cycling, and I have seen a lot os simples things that have no sense for me...i.e. why this rider did not know this parcours?
or: really you dont know this rider?

We see cycling from outside as very professional, and in some way it is a lot, day by day more, but sometimes there are things with no sense...and without any conspirative meaning behind them.


Do you think that if he would be saying anything that would affect his credibility, taking account of all the skeptics, he would say it??

Yes, life is sometimes full of coincidences, In the SKY issue, there are a lot of them, in a bad moment as well, that is the problem, and for that there are a lot of skeptics


Could anyone translate this from dutch or similar?

That was the reason why sometimes I was abnormally tired but what aanmodderde with Team Barloworld and my first year at Sky.

 

[thehog]

Can you back up that claim?

'Seven Deadly Sins' just won him Journalist of the Year.

The Sunday Times defended Walsh against the Armstrong suit.

Do you think they'll defend Walsh in Wiggins vs Walsh libel suit?

Ha!

Walsh's first two books couldn't even make in to print in English!

He's on record saying the books made him nothing.

You really think he's about to drop the Wiggins tell all after that experience?

Then wait another 15 years to win journalist of the year?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

That was the reason why sometimes I was abnormally tired but what aanmodderde with Team Barloworld and my first year at Sky.

muddle along

fumble

And, indeed, that is no evidence, there is just so little consistency in the stories.

 

[martinvickers]

You know nothing of Kimmage, unless you have been opening his mail.

you know nothing of What and how I know, unless you've been opening mine. So how about you keep your snark for someone who's more easily impressed by bullsh*t.

Wiggins is small fry compared to Monkeymouth Armstrong and Walsh didn't retire on the sales or serialisation rights to those 3 books.

So back to drawing board on that one.

Apples and Oranges. Unless you're suggesting such a book would be published in French only, for example. The serialisation rights for such a book in the UK press, if evidence were included, would certainly and comfortably run to six figures...

 

[thehog]

My my the Skybots are an abusive bunch.

Vickers tone it down.

This is not the pub.

 

[Taxus4a]

muddle along

fumble

And, indeed, that is no evidence, there is just so little consistency in the stories.

Thanks

Yes, in this part of the story there is little consistency... I hope someone clarify this:

The infection has marked Froome’s career over the past few seasons. After making a splash to earn a ticket to the Tour de France in 2009 with Barloworld, Froome all but disappeared from the results sheet as he struggled with fatigue and weariness that came with the parasite.

Doctors initially thought the symptoms pointed toward mononucleosis, but treatments failed to resolve his ongoing problems that left him tired and powerless on the bike. It went largely undiagnosed until he underwent extensive blood screening with a switch to Sky in 2010.

Doctors discovered the rather obscure parasitic infection and quickly prescribed treatments that kill just about everything in the body, similar to chemotherapy.

That is not right if was the UCI who discover the disease at the end of 2010...maybe some journalist misunderstood something...

 

[thehog]

Thanks

Yes, in this part of the story there is little consistency... I hope someone clarify this:

The infection has marked Froome’s career over the past few seasons. After making a splash to earn a ticket to the Tour de France in 2009 with Barloworld, Froome all but disappeared from the results sheet as he struggled with fatigue and weariness that came with the parasite.

Doctors initially thought the symptoms pointed toward mononucleosis, but treatments failed to resolve his ongoing problems that left him tired and powerless on the bike. It went largely undiagnosed until he underwent extensive blood screening with a switch to Sky in 2010.

Doctors discovered the rather obscure parasitic infection and quickly prescribed treatments that kill just about everything in the body, similar to chemotherapy.

That is not right if was the UCI who discover the disease at the end of 2010...maybe some journalist misunderstood something...

Hang on.

His 2010 was dismal especially Romandie and the Giro. As was 2011 until August.

But he had blood testing at Sky when he joined?

He rode a Grand Tour with Badzhilla?

Not likely. He wouldn't have even been on the bike.

 

[oldcrank]

So much for turning up unannounced and being a journalist.

Are you implying that because Paul Kimmage made an
appointment to interview Gregory James Lemond, that
Mr Kimmage is not a journalist? Please explain. Are you
confusing journalist with paparazzi?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Even better:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/25/chris-froome-sky-tour-de-france
Friday 25 January 2013

"I kept getting sick so something wasn't right. I'd gone to Kenya to see family and did the normal UCI blood passport tests. At the same time I said to the doctor, 'Can't you scan for anything that's not right in my blood?' He came back straight away and said you're riddled with bilharzia. It feeds on your red blood cells, so for an endurance athlete it's basically doing the opposite of what EPO does. It was a nightmare."

Huh? Is there a WADA accreditated lab in Kenya? Yeah, in Tunis.

That makes two journalists making a wrong?

 

[Taxus4a]

Hang on.

His 2010 was dismal especially Romandie and the Giro. As was 2011 until August.

But he had blood testing at Sky when he joined?

He rode a Grand Tour with Badzhilla?

Not likely. He wouldn't have even been on the bike.

That is not true, there are a lot of people with bilharzia doing normal life, most of them even dont know they are infected... there are different typhologies, some people even die for that, most of them does not have any symthoms and they live a long live with it (but anyway if you are a profesional rider...it is a problem).
Froome was likely more than three years riding with that, no less than one and a half even today he had inside

But that is all explain in the article.


But he had blood testing at Sky when he joined?

the question is not that, becouse you dont see bilharzia for a blod test, that need and expecific analysis, the question is if team SKY look for bilharzia after mononucleosis test failed... I dont know, I dont think so according the last interview to Froome.

The interview that said about he was checked when he started with SKY said this:

It went largely undiagnosed until he underwent extensive blood screening with a switch to Sky in 2010.

Doctors discovered the rather obscure parasitic infection and quickly prescribed treatments that kill just about everything in the body, similar to chemotherapy.

this is very abstract... blold screening? but for bilharzia?? maybe no

doctors?? wich ones?? SKY doctors? maybe no

Are witten by Andrew Hood, a journalist who lives in Leon, the cicty I went to College, cle to me and we have some friends in common, so I tried to contact him, but it was no possible...

He must answer those questions.. in the mouth of Froome, if the other journalist put right, it is was in november for a blood test for biopassport that he , or the team, asked for a good analisys.., (the same I ask when a do a blood donation)

 

[Taxus4a]

Hang on.

His 2010 was dismal especially Romandie and the Giro. As was 2011 until August.

But he had blood testing at Sky when he joined?

He rode a Grand Tour with Badzhilla?

Not likely. He wouldn't have even been on the bike.

Even better:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/25/chris-froome-sky-tour-de-france
Friday 25 January 2013

"I kept getting sick so something wasn't right. I'd gone to Kenya to see family and did the normal UCI blood passport tests. At the same time I said to the doctor, 'Can't you scan for anything that's not right in my blood?' He came back straight away and said you're riddled with bilharzia. It feeds on your red blood cells, so for an endurance athlete it's basically doing the opposite of what EPO does. It was a nightmare."

Huh? Is there a WADA accreditated lab in Kenya? Yeah, in Tunis.

That makes two journalists making a wrong?

I think so.

I have readed this last interview before, and the name of the kenian doctor, This has more sense.

It is not a big mistake misunderstand: I ask at the same time to the doctor... that he asked to the doctor of the blod test of the UCI...but it is a journalist that does not a lot about how cycling works to do that mistake

 

[mikehammer67]

• This article was amended on 28 January 2013. The term peddle was used instead of pedal. This has been corrected.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/25/chris-froome-sky-tour-de-france
i wonder who rang in and complained

 

[gooner]

I see the Walsh "sellout" brigade is back again.

Remind me who wrote about the number of days that Leinders worked at Sky and who said the Leinders episode was a disaster. Oh and don't forget who was the only journalist to ask Wiggins about his comments on Landis in the past and write a column based on it which painted Wiggins in poor light.

The same faces who were up in arms when Kimmage said he wasn't allowed access to Sky for the entire 2010 Tour are now the same ones who aren't happy now when Walsh is allowed in.

Walsh has probably seen nothing of note and has asked the right questions in private and not come up trumps on anything. You can't write a story when you don't have substance to it. Kimmage wrote a story for the Daily Mail last July about Leinders and so on but reiterated that there was nothing to suggest Wiggins's Tour win was anything but work hard. That was a year ago now. You can't keep using the Leinders argument or referring to Wiggins quotes about Landis every single week in a newspaper. New stuff hinting at something untoward going on would need to come up a more regular basis to keep the story running. And don't think Kimmage would be any different if he was still active as a journalist. The same would apply to him.

There is a hatred element coming across in many posts and I think many people are hoping they get exposed because of this more than the reason that it would be good for the sport if they were doping at all.

 

[thehog]

I think so.

I have readed this last interview before, and the name of the kenian doctor, This has more sense.

It is not a big mistake misunderstand: I ask at the same time to the doctor... that he asked to the doctor of the blod test of the UCI...but it is a journalist that does not a lot about how cycling works to do that mistake

So two journalists misrepsentation a direct quote?

and

Walsh would report Sky doping so he could write a book and make millions. Because he hasn't done this Sky are clean.

Never heard so many crackpot theories in one day !

 

[mikehammer67]

I see the Walsh "sellout" brigade is back again.

Remind me who wrote about the number of days that Leinders worked at Sky and who said the Leinders episode was a disaster. Oh and don't forget who was the only journalist to ask Wiggins about his comments on Landis in the past and write a column based on it which painted Wiggins in poor light.

The same faces who were up in arms when Kimmage said he wasn't allowed access to Sky for the entire 2010 Tour are now the same ones who aren't happy now when Walsh is allowed in.

Walsh has probably seen nothing of note and has asked the right questions in private and not come up trumps on anything. You can't write a story when you don't have substance to it. Kimmage wrote a story for the Daily Mail last July about Leinders and so on but reiterated that there was nothing to suggest Wiggins's Tour win was anything but work hard. That was a year ago now. You can't keep using the Leinders argument or referring to Wiggins quotes about Landis every single week in a newspaper. New stuff hinting at something untoward going on would need to come up a more regular basis to keep the story running. And don't think Kimmage would be any different if he was still active as a journalist. The same would apply to him.

There is a hatred element coming across in many posts and I think many people are hoping they get exposed because of this more than the reason that it would be good for the sport if they were doping at all.

has walsh said much of note since he hooked up with them?

you'd think maybe there would be a clear the air Q&A in the paper maybe

maybe if sky nailed the leinders issue there wouldn't be persistent doubts

 

[Taxus4a]

So two journalists misrepsentation a direct quote?

!

It is not a direct quote.

One he is redacting... ask Andrew Hood, and the other it is just a little misundertood.

Some journalist are not thinking about that has so many importance, they dont think there are some people in a forum looking at each word, for them the point was that he was detected bilharzia in a test that year.. and no more...

I have been acreditated as press in La Vuelta and other races i.e and I know how that works from inside

 

[gooner]

has walsh said much of note since he hooked up with them?

you'd think maybe there would be a clear the air Q&A in the paper maybe

maybe if sky nailed the leinders issue there wouldn't be persistent doubts

He has interviewed Brailsford, Wiggins, spoken to Bobby Julich and Tim Kerrison and will interview Froome for this coming issue of The Sunday Times.

Isn't that enough Q and A?

 

[Taxus4a]

I see the Walsh "sellout" brigade is back again.

Remind me who wrote about the number of days that Leinders worked at Sky and who said the Leinders episode was a disaster. Oh and don't forget who was the only journalist to ask Wiggins about his comments on Landis in the past and write a column based on it which painted Wiggins in poor light.

The same faces who were up in arms when Kimmage said he wasn't allowed access to Sky for the entire 2010 Tour are now the same ones who aren't happy now when Walsh is allowed in.

Walsh has probably seen nothing of note and has asked the right questions in private and not come up trumps on anything. You can't write a story when you don't have substance to it. Kimmage wrote a story for the Daily Mail last July about Leinders and so on but reiterated that there was nothing to suggest Wiggins's Tour win was anything but work hard. That was a year ago now. You can't keep using the Leinders argument or referring to Wiggins quotes about Landis every single week in a newspaper. New stuff hinting at something untoward going on would need to come up a more regular basis to keep the story running. And don't think Kimmage would be any different if he was still active as a journalist. The same would apply to him.

There is a hatred element coming across in many posts and I think many people are hoping they get exposed because of this more than the reason that it would be good for the sport if they were doping at all.

 

[mikehammer67]

He has interviewed Brailsford, Wiggins, spoken to Bobby Julich and Tim Kerrison and will interview Froome for this coming issue of The Sunday Times.

Isn't that enough Q and A?

so....everything's been explained to his and our satisfaction

or...just chit-chat

 

[Samson777]

He has interviewed Brailsford, Wiggins, spoken to Bobby Julich and Tim Kerrison and will interview Froome for this coming issue of The Sunday Times.

Isn't that enough Q and A?[/QUOTE] If he would just do a Q and A with dr. Leinders, he could leave the other poor fellows alone, as far as i'm concerned..

 

[thehog]

It is not a direct quote.

One he is redacting... ask Andrew Hood, and the other it is just a little misundertood.

Some journalist are not thinking about that has so many importance, they dont think there are some people in a forum looking at each word, for them the point was that he was detected bilharzia in a test that year.. and no more...

I have been acreditated as press in La Vuelta and other races i.e and I know how that works from inside

You know how it works from the inside?

So do I.

But our views differ.

You and me are having a beer in September.

I'll tell you some stories.

 

[Heckler]

Thanks

Yes, in this part of the story there is little consistency... I hope someone clarify this:

The infection has marked Froome’s career over the past few seasons. After making a splash to earn a ticket to the Tour de France in 2009 with Barloworld, Froome all but disappeared from the results sheet as he struggled with fatigue and weariness that came with the parasite.

Doctors initially thought the symptoms pointed toward mononucleosis, but treatments failed to resolve his ongoing problems that left him tired and powerless on the bike. It went largely undiagnosed until he underwent extensive blood screening with a switch to Sky in 2010.

Doctors discovered the rather obscure parasitic infection and quickly prescribed treatments that kill just about everything in the body, similar to chemotherapy.

That is not right if was the UCI who discover the disease at the end of 2010...maybe some journalist misunderstood something...

I know they hashed out the parasite topic for two or three days last week But, if you Google and go to the Wiki map, in Africa there is nothing obscure about this parasite. Froome, being from there, would have immediately thought "parasite" and seen the doctor. Once diagnosed, you take a bottle of prescribed pills and you're done. Look at the map. Everybody knows about it. And I don't think the treatment is as bad as chemo...

 

[Heckler]

So two journalists misrepsentation a direct quote?

This happens everyday. Ever read an article by Gregor Brown at Velo News? The UCI, WADA or some team send out a spoon fed press release; within a day there are 20 articles that all say the same thing and Brown's has lost the plot.