Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[lemoogle]

How do you know, but GT riders may not, out of interest?

It's not about knowing, it's just the only way they're doing something so terribly obvious in such an arrogant manner. Destroying the rest of the field like it's never been done before, climbing times better than EPO era times.
It's pretty clear the UCI protected USPS and this is the only plausible option for sky here. There are a lot more factors including what the UCI would have to gain from the market etc.

 

[Cycle Chic]

I knew he'd go FULL genius again today...because Wiggins won the ITT last year...in his mind there is no way he's letting Wiggins win more than him.

 

[whittashau]

Froome will be worse for cycling than Armstrong ever was. He at least rode against some other aliens. This is so one-sided it's pointless to watch

 

[Antoine_Blondin]

What a huge joke today...never seen that since Riis and Armstrong. Even Pantani, Vinokourov, Ullrich, Contador or Valverde appears to be clean in front of such swindle

 

[ExRower]

Shouldnt we all be happy to see human evolution happening right before our very eyes on live tv? This **** used to take decades to happen.

 

[Tom T.]

I knew he'd go FULL genius again today...because Wiggins won the ITT last year...in his mind there is no way he's letting Wiggins win more than him.

Well, the fact he didn't win the TT kind of shoots your theory out of the water.

 

[thehog]

I knew he'd go FULL genius again today...because Wiggins won the ITT last year...in his mind there is no way he's letting Wiggins win more than him.

Ordered by Michelle.

 

[sniper]

Fact or fiction:

Servais Kraven, in the DS car behind the new TT king of the world named Christ de Vrome, is enjoying the ride of his pupil. Christ has about ten K to go and is just about 3 seconds faster than Toni der Bestellwagen Murtin, the 26 time World Champion TT' ing.

Servais' phone rings. He looks at the screen and it says Patrick L. and thinks fukc me, what does he want? You must know, Patrick was the man behind Kraven's carreer succes.

He picks up the phone.
''Hello Servais, it's me, Patrick. Say, Servais, do you remember that little anti - doping convenant you had to sign for Team Slick?''
Servais:
''Yes, of course Patrickske, why?''
Patrick:
''Well, Servais, we both know doc Yvan still has those 'training' schedules you used in the lead up to that magnificent Panis R. win, or did you forget that?You know what to do Servais.''

Patrick L. hangs up.

Servais picks up the intercom and tells Christ to slow down, Vulva and the other Spanish doper are at enough distance, Der Toni and not to forget d'n Patrick are very happy campers.

Only winners today.

epic post.

Christ de Vrome

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Well, the fact he didn't win the TT kind of shoots your theory out of the water.

But it makes a f***ing nice change from her match fixing theories!

 

[Roude Leiw]

Fact or fiction:

Servais Kraven, in the DS car behind the new TT king of the world named Christ de Vrome, is enjoying the ride of his pupil. Christ has about ten K to go and is just about 3 seconds faster than Toni der Bestellwagen Murtin, the 26 time World Champion TT' ing.

Servais' phone rings. He looks at the screen and it says Patrick L. and thinks fukc me, what does he want? You must know, Patrick was the man behind Kraven's carreer succes.

He picks up the phone.
''Hello Servais, it's me, Patrick. Say, Servais, do you remember that little anti - doping convenant you had to sign for Team Slick?''
Servais:
''Yes, of course Patrickske, why?''
Patrick:
''Well, Servais, we both know doc Yvan still has those 'training' schedules you used in the lead up to that magnificent Panis R. win, or did you forget that?You know what to do Servais.''

Patrick L. hangs up.

Servais picks up the intercom and tells Christ to slow down, Vulva and the other Spanish doper are at enough distance, Der Toni and not to forget d'n Patrick are very happy campers.

Only winners today.

Thx man, that sums it up perfectly

 

[rata de sentina]

Was there a stage on today?

Thank goodness the cricket has started.

 

[el chava]

If this is clean, then we're witnessing probably the greatest cycling performance of the sport....ever... Woohoo? no? anyone?

Now if we assume like the skyfans say that the other GC guys are all dopers, then this is the greatest sporting performance of all sports ever.

no. maybe in the pure physiological sense, but please - the guy can't descend, sprint and looks like an insect on the bike. doping or not, to me a guy like f.i. kwiatkowski is a more impressive cyclist.

imagine froome in paris-roubaix. so aso, bring the cobbles back!!

 

[Logic Al]

It's not about knowing, it's just the only way they're doing something so terribly obvious in such an arrogant manner. Destroying the rest of the field like it's never been done before, climbing times better than EPO era times.
It's pretty clear the UCI protected USPS and this is the only plausible option for sky here. There are a lot more factors including what the UCI would have to gain from the market etc.

The rest of Sky aren't looking particularly special, just Froome

So what are they doing that's so obvious and arrogant? is it a new drug?

and if so, why isn't everyone else doing it?

 

[thehog]

The Dawg is putting me out of a job.

Now there's no one who believes he's actually clean!

 

[frenchfry]

I love this reply to a comment accusing Froome of doping on the stage summary:

wrinklyvet less than 1 minute ago

He would not be able to learn his style and technique from drugs and these bold allegations ought not to be made by someone hiding behind internet near-anonymity. You seem to be suffering from a lack of analysis and probably some sour grapes. Who is your favourite then?

The initial comment was made by someone who used their full name, whereas this reply is made using a pseudo.

Interns, not always the sharpest but at least they are cheap!

 

[ihavenolimbs]

Been reading for a while, but first post so please be gentle!

Reading this thread and others it seems to be taken as gospel that Froome is doping. Looking at what’s happened in the past and how dominant Froome has been it’s an obvious conclusion to make

But some things don’t make sense to me, and this and other threads are mostly just repetitive sly digs and insinuations without any detail/evidence. Found this a bit frustrating as reading this forum there’s some very knowledgeable guys. So few questions:

1. Is Froome doping more than anyone else in the TDF? If so, what’s he on and why isn’t anyone else on it? And if not, what causes the dominance if they’re all at it?

2. What evidence has there been? With Armstrong there was Bassons, O’Reilly, the ‘saddle sores’, accusations with some sort of evidence in L’equipe and Sunday Times. Has there been anything like that for Froome?

3. How far does it go in British cycling? If Froome is doping then that means Brailsford is on board (and a bigger hypocrite than anyone there’s ever been in cycling, including L.A.). So does that mean Wiggins, Cav, Thomas are all doping? And the track cyclists like Hoy, Pendleton and even young Trott? Or is there a ‘point’ where British cyclists become dopers and if so what is it

Basically my thoughts and questions too. Also, if Sky are cheating, what could they be using? Transfusions alone are unlikely (Froome has good form for long periods, and if achieved by multiple transfusions, then his new red-cell count would plummet), and regular microdosing is now too much of a risk?

Can anyone that is accusing Sky of doping suggest what their program might be?

I think that Brailsford is both ruthless enough, and focussed enough, to do whatever it takes to win, but I also think that Wiggins and Cavendish are clean. (If you were a team boss/dr, would trust Wiggins to never "out" you? He seems to be too unpredictable?)

 

[Kernel]

Froome is a disgrace for cycling and its efforts to clean itself up. This, quite frankly is not normal.

 

[lemoogle]

The rest of Sky aren't looking particularly special, just Froome

So what are they doing that's so obvious and arrogant? is it a new drug?

and if so, why isn't everyone else doing it?

1. Come on, you watched stage 8 didn't you? I mean sky even did a 1-2 last year already. won pretty much every race they took part in etc, got a dom to come 2nd in the giro , etc.

2. There are many theories right around the forum, I'm probably not the person to explain them, nor do I need to , this isn't about the exact how, this is about how clear it is that something is going on in front of our blind eyes.

3. Pretty sure that fairly explains itself, USPS didn't have a special drug, other people did do it, but they were protected. It could very well be that sky is doign something different other people don't have too, who knows.


The question is, what can you believe? I did not come to this forum convinced that sky were doping, I found what I saw on la planche des belles filles added to sky's 2012 season, to be too much to simply ignore it, it looked too much like USPS.
I came on here to read what much better informed people than me were saying and made up my mind based on that.

I personally don't think you need to know much more than this:
Froome was a noname cyclist, mediocre both at time trialling and climbing before the vuelta 2011.
Now he's the best climber by miles, climbing similar times to the EPO era. He's TTing better than anyone but 100%TT specialist Tony Martin, ( in what looked like worse wind conditions ).
He's leading anyone else by more than 3 minutes after 1 mountain stage and one short TT.

Add to this the Massive amount of information you can find in this forum, like about Leinders etc. and tell me if you can believe

 

[Logic Al]

Basically my thoughts and questions too. Also, if Sky are cheating, what could they be using? Transfusions alone are unlikely (Froome has good form for long periods, and if achieved by multiple transfusions, then his new red-cell count would plummet), and regular microdosing is now too much of a risk?

Can anyone that is accusing Sky of doping suggest what their program might be?

I think that Brailsford is both ruthless enough, and focussed enough, to do whatever it takes to win, but I also think that Wiggins and Cavendish are clean. (If you were a team boss/dr, would trust Wiggins to never "out" you? He seems to be too unpredictable?)

Thanks for replying, be good to get an answer to these question. Just constant one sentence "Froome is definitely doping" posts with no detail!

I think if Froome is doping then the rest of them must be, otherwise why just Froome?

 

[nightfend]

Can anyone that is accusing Sky of doping suggest what their program might be?

My guess would be some type of Aicar-like drug that is not currently being tested for. Probably pushed forth by the British cycling program a few years back and seeing the biggest returns via Sky with Wiggins and now Froome.

As to why other teams have not used these drugs. Well, one, they are experimental and possibly very dangerous to the riders using them. And also, not all teams may have a contact to get these drugs. It is not like EPO/Cera where the average hospital has a repository of the stuff.

 

[lemoogle]

I think that Brailsford is both ruthless enough, and focussed enough, to do whatever it takes to win, but I also think that Wiggins and Cavendish are clean. (If you were a team boss/dr, would trust Wiggins to never "out" you? He seems to be too unpredictable?)

Why would wiggins "out" anyone, so he can be the first ( one of the first ) to have his knighthood taken away? if that 's even possible. He's got the most to gain, he's looking crazy clean next to froome.

 

[Bag of Guts]

I just can't get my head around the labyrinthine möbius strip of logic that would lead me to a position of defending Froome's career/performances.

If Froome is clean, then he deserves to be spoken of in hyperbole that I am just not hearing from anyone.

Nobody truly believes in this guy.

Even the sheepish, hand-tied commentators and insiders seem embarrassed.

If he really is clean he deserves to be lavished with epithets like 'greatest physical human specimen of all time'.

If clean, he is a physiological marvel who has smashed the constraints of body-type specific specialist disciplines (climbing/TT-ing) with a physique so remarkable and unusual that biologists everywhere should be clamouring all over each other for the chance to study him.

Cycling had the brass balls to try this in the days of Miguelón and Lance (never before recorded lung-capacity/lactate threshold anomaly) but we all know how that turned out.

We don't know anything whatsoever about Froome's physiology. All details are closely guarded by his team.

Why is that? Here's a guy who's equalling the performances of the greats, and in the 'clean era of cycling', no less.

Sky could use this physiological marvel narrative to create a hero of colossal stature and make a ton of cash in the process.

Why are they not doing this? Well apart from the fact that his peptide pumped body looks hideous, they know he is resolutely not the real deal and are too embarrassed to push it.

Unless they do, in which case, I'd be very interested in the science.

I wonder what Wiggins thinks. He's home and dry and in the history books unless Froome brings the house down with his ridiculousness.

If I were Wiggins, I wouldn't be happy about that at all.

 

[Franklin]

Cycling is what it is. I doubt it's going to change by anyone watching it in hope.

Ah yes, I forgot this one;

They all doped and they still do, so there is no problem, only whiners.

 

[EnacheV]

Thanks for replying, be good to get an answer to these question. Just constant one sentence "Froome is definitely doping" posts with no detail!

I think if Froome is doping then the rest of them must be, otherwise why just Froome?

You will be only get stuff like

"Froome is a disgrace for cycling and its efforts to clean itself up. This, quite frankly is not normal. "

"Froome is definitely doping"

nothing else

at least so far. maybe in the future some concrete evidences or even small evidences of doping will show up

for now, there are some people who tinks something is doped when the real life standings are not = their imaginary standings, then post angry on the forums

 

[purcell]

Froome will be worse for cycling than Armstrong ever was. He at least rode against some other aliens. This is so one-sided it's pointless to watch

In many ways - ^this.

The problem with even trying to watch from this point on, on the aassumption that maye we will see some battles for second and third, is that I expect Sky to now just do the old "USPS Postal" train routine - ride hard tempo and close down everything else that happens.

We won't see any breakaways from anyone in the top 10 and we won't see anything other than just endless pictures of the Sky army at the front protecting Froome. It will be boring and utterly, heartbreakingly disappointing.

No point even turning it on now.