Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Juan Speeder]

The crap these guys say is just ridiculous.

Froome: "We slept on volcanoes!"
(so does everyone in the state of Hawaii...as well as every single resident of a volcanic island.) Guess sleeping in a hotel on said island doesn't count.

Funny how that sounds like "I made sacrifices other **nts and **nkers didn't."
Wiggins' BS of last year recycled.

I don't know the reference, but I'd assume he's referring to a "train low, rest high" program, and Hawaii would be optimum for that. TT or intervals at sea level and recover/sleep at 11,000' ( Mauna Loa Observatory) or higher.

 

[Netserk]

news just in.

Brailsford claims to have offered the data to Wada



Then this



So Brailsford lied, not Sir David Braislford of team sky telling porkies. Cant be!

Been here before, if i remember correctly sometime between 1999 and 2005.

He hasn't claimed to have offered the data to WADA. He has suggested that it could be a possibility.

 

[The Hitch]

news just in.

Brailsford claims to have offered the data to Wada

Brailsford did admit that he'd talked to WADA about the idea.

"We'd encourage WADA to appoint to some experts and they could have everything we've got. They could have all our information, all of our data. We could then compare are training files with the blood data, to the weight and WADA would be a good body to analyse that," he said

Hang on. The quote you give doesnt actually show Bailsford "claiming to have offered the data to WADA".

Did you make it up in order to troll us?

 

[Benotti69]

So funny Sky fans shouting about sky doms having a bad day or 2 this year, does that mean last year because the blue/black train didn't have a bad day they were doped?

 

[Benotti69]

Hang on. The quote you give doesnt actually show Bailsford "claiming to have offered the data to WADA".

Did you make it up in order to troll us?

Brailsford did admit that he'd talked to WADA about the idea.

Wada according to Shane Stokes have denied any contact with Sky.

 

[Benotti69]

He hasn't claimed to have offered the data to WADA. He has suggested that it could be a possibility.

Brailsford claims to have talked to WADA about the idea. WADA have denied any contact with Sky.

 

[thehog]

So funny Sky fans shouting about sky doms having a bad day or 2 this year, does that mean last year because the blue/black train didn't have a bad day they were doped?

The roads are better. Cyclists are going faster.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I don't know the reference, but I'd assume he's referring to a "train low, rest high" program, and Hawaii would be optimum for that. TT or intervals at sea level and recover/sleep at 11,000' ( Mauna Loa Observatory) or higher.

He was referring to Tenerife, not Hawaii.

And I'm pretty sure every pro cyclist is familiar with the benefits of altitude training.

 

[131313]

Trying to be objective, how about this as a defence for Froome's unusual career progression:

2011-2013: Cycling god

2010-11: Explanation for mediocrity - bilharzia

2009 and prior years: Explanation for mediocrity - the rest of the peloton was juiced to the gills, so no wonder he couldn't win. Plus he came from a non-traditional background, so developed slower.

Is the peloton going slower now that in 2009? That doesn't appear to be the case.

LeMond was from "non-traditional background" being an American bike racer in the '80s. That sort of ability tends to show through.

Hey, it's possible that there was some sort of alien intervention or something, but given the sport's history, the most likely scenario is probably true. The story about his blood disease was cool.

Here's another story:
-obscure rider with blood disease has a free pass to have an irregular BP at a time when BP's are starting to become more regulated.

-Team with lots of money and political pull hires well-known doping doctor to assist some riders


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TDF Success!!

 

[Benotti69]

I don't know the reference, but I'd assume he's referring to a "train low, rest high" program, and Hawaii would be optimum for that. TT or intervals at sea level and recover/sleep at 11,000' ( Mauna Loa Observatory) or higher.

Ryeder Hesjedal 'trains' in Hawaii and he is having a great season

 

[Juan Speeder]

That makes no sense. Whatsoever. A clean rider couldn't do that anyway. A doped rider could.

Since there are 7 billion humans on this rock, why are you so sure that one can't be exceptional?

If Einsteins can exist, why not Froomes?

 

[The Hitch]

Who knows. Otoh, if I were Froome and clean, I would try to make it as close as possible too. Better not waste energy. So his behaviour doesn't really fit with any common logic. That's why we call it "going full ***" after all

Could be a double bluff. People in this forum will have difficulty understanding just how dumb the average sportsfan is.

If you look at the comment sections on British newspapers the arguments people use as proof that Froome is clean (word proof is always used) are worse than what del and parker come up with on here.

If Sky come out and say -" if we were doping, why would we ride so fast, it attracts suspicion" 90% of the British cycling fanbase would see it as conclusive irrefutable proof that sky are clean

 

[The Hitch]

Brailsford claims to have talked to WADA about the idea. WADA have denied any contact with Sky.

Show us the quote.

It was a press conferance not a secret interregation. If Bailsford did say that you should be able to find it in the transcript.

You seemed pretty ok with showing us quotes when you thought you had him. WHats stopping you now?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Since there are 7 billion humans on this rock, why are you so sure that one can't be exceptional?

If Einsteins can exist, why not Froomes?

So Froomstein?

 

[Taxus4a]

Since there are 7 billion humans on this rock, why are you so sure that one can't be exceptional?

If Einsteins can exist, why not Froomes?

Is he excepctional??
compared ti who??
Merzk, Coppi, Hinault, thery were so far more exceptional... tehre are young people in this Tour, in his forst Tour, climbing like him, as quintana.. there are people hurt, Trialing more... so, really is so exceptional??
if you compare the climbing time to Ventoux with tailwind, he is bad compared the dark era.
He is of course, excepcional, a bifg talent, but far away to be so excepcional. he is just 4 minutes of his rivals, Lance, put five minutes in two days, and after just keep that... Froome needs more time to be safe... look at Valverde.
He is the best in Tours, no more...

 

[thehog]

Show us the quote.

It was a press conferance not a secret interregation. If Bailsford did say that you should be able to find it in the transcript.

You seemed pretty ok with showing us quotes when you thought you had him. WHats stopping you now?

Full transcript: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...claims-Tour-France-2013--FULL-TRANSCRIPT.html

 

[H2OUUP2]

So Froomstein?

No. He believes in miracles.... Oh boy. Here we go again.

 

[kingjr]

Full transcript: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...claims-Tour-France-2013--FULL-TRANSCRIPT.html

Can you point out where he says he had talked to WADA, as Benotti claimed?

 

[thehog]

Can you point out where he says he had talked to WADA, as Benotti claimed?

That's not my job. I only read the Daily Mail for the Horoscopes.

 

[Galic Ho]

You're very quick to decide that you've got a complete picture of me. I've only made a handful of posts, yet you can sum me up entirely!!!

Only, you've not quite got me right. I have nothing wrong with people forming opinions. What I have an issue with is people stating them as fact.

There is a big difference between "I think Froome is a doper" and "Froome is a doper". Personally, I do agree with the former, but I still couldn't say the latter without evidence.

But don't worry about my opinion. I figured my break from the gospel would have a lot of people pegging me as a 'skybot'. That's what I meant when I talked about the parochial atmosphere of the clinic.

I didn't label you at all. Nor do I claim to have you figured out.

Was just a reply. Nothing more. I was actually trying to be brief. Could have gone into a lot more detail.

 

[jamesmasters]

So Froomstein?

Froomkenstein. A monster created in a lab.

 

[The Hitch]

Full transcript: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...claims-Tour-France-2013--FULL-TRANSCRIPT.html

Do your own work. You want to prove Bailsford said that. Dig it up yourself.

 

[thehog]

Do your own work. You want to prove Bailsford said that. Dig it up yourself.

Nah. I'll give it a miss. Not my fight to fight. I have bigger and better things to do.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Since there are 7 billion humans on this rock, why are you so sure that one can't be exceptional?

If Einsteins can exist, why not Froomes?

The problem is that we've seen this EXACT argument before...and in all honesty, Armstrong showed much more propensity to ride at the head of a race than Froome ever did prior to his Vuelta. Armstrong too showed some GT prowess the Vuelta before his first Tour win...but before that, the dude had won a classic and two stages of the Tour, and many other races.

Froome got 5th in the 2010 Commonwealth Games TT...oh yea, and that win in the 2009 Anatomic Jock Race...

EDIT: I suggest Froome get Coyle on speed dial because he needs a "scientist" who is willing to overlook the possibility of doping and things like weight scales to come up with some physiological reasons why he is riding better than dopers of the past...

 

[Viking]

Can you point out where he says he had talked to WADA, as Benotti claimed?

Brailsford did not say he had talked with WADA. He stated a possibly way to work with WADA to prove Sky's cleanliness:

Q: To be fair, the context has changed with yesterday’s...more information comes out yesterday with Chris’ win on Ventoux. So it’s not just a case of asking the question then going away. We have to be able to evaluate new information then ask questions in the light of that.

Brailsford: I totally agree. I’m not disputing that for one second. But instead of saying, ‘Dave, how are you going to prove you’re not doping?’ -- which isn’t the greatest question to ask. Why not think collectively, what would be the best methodology possible to prove beyond reasonable doubt that we and Chris aren’t doping. I’m not sure I’ve got the answer to that. But if we think collectively maybe we could come up with an answer that said, actually, this would be a fantastic way of doing it. If we could contribute to that, we’d be quite happy to do it.

Bottom line is, it’s a rest day, it’s 10 o’ clock in the morning and I’m trying to defend somebody who’s doing nothing wrong. I’m quite happy to do it, and I’m more than happy to try to convince you guys that we’re not doing anything wrong, but I need a little bit of help. I think, in coming up with a way about how the hell we do it. So our idea is, we give all our information to WADA and they can have everything that we’ve got. They’ve got all our bloods anyway. They can have power data, weight, where we’re training, what we’re doing. Somebody sits there and pieces it all together and says yes or no. Quite happy to do that. But what I would like is that the data they’re given is treated the same way as the bloods; so they get to see all the bloods but they don’t release it to the press, but we trust their opinion. Something along those lines might be a fruitful avenue...

Given the situation, given what’s happened with Armstrong, given what’s happened with athletics, just applying old ways of thinking to this situation in which we find ourselves isn’t going to find a solution. What we need to do is scratch our heads a bit and come at it from a different angle, think of a novel way of coming at it that maybe hasn’t been thought of yet, that might move this whole debate forward.

We would like to be sitting here and say, here it is...

And it's a pretty decent plan, really, especially if every team turned over all of their data for WADA analysis.