Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[therhodeo]

Pinotti? Other than that there isn't anyone else from BMC that age that left.

 

[roundabout]

What do you think of this profile for a rider born in 1977

I think he is clean but that is not the point

I have read conflicting things on how good he actually was

 

[therhodeo]

hahaha People think Cuddles is clean?

He said "generally considered". I didn't say I thought so.

 

[therhodeo]

Pinotti was born in 78.

 

[roundabout]

Pinotti was born in 78.

76 you mean

 

[roundabout]

Foxy said "by wayyy older riders", plural, Horner could be one, but then Horner did finish top 20 in a GT 4 times before finally winning one.

The idea of Horner finishing top-20 in a GT was too ridiculous to even contemplate in 1998.

 

[therhodeo]

76 you mean

Either way the other date was 1 off.

 

[del1962]

Either way the other date was 1 off.

Just throwing you of the trail

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I saw worse transformations by wayyy older riders in the last couple of years only. And I havn´t even checked years 1900-2010...

Riders plural?

Makes me laugh when people write that sort of thing and then forget, before finishing their post, to actually say who those riders are.

Please tell us again LeMond and Froome should be equated.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Whether it does or doesnt it wont satisfy many people on here who only see the answer as doping and seemingly see conspiracy and corruption everytime they turn the corner.

While others close their minds and open their mouths and simply swallow everything their countrymen tell them.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

and el fricken oh fricken el YET AGAIN to the people who write the most ridiculous,

"I am not convinced either way"

complete and utter BS - given they are constantly arguing with people who suggest the evidence points towards doping partly, completely or overwhelmingly.

Here's a little hint coz you clearly don't get it: your posting gives your position away.

You believe they are clean.

End of.

Man up and at least have the bits to take a position.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

A few names would be good.

Christopher Lee "Chris" Horner... from contract less at circa Froomes age to world beater at 40+

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Christopher Lee "Chris" Horner... from contract less at circa Froomes age to world beater at 40+

and... any more? You've beaten that drum so often the skin's looking ragged and has holes in it.

 

[BYOP88]

A few names would be good.

He'll come up with Horner and SFA else.

 

[The Hitch]

Cuddles maybe?

As usual re. Pinotti, (who's words he edited Stalin style in an attempt to make it look like not only Wiggins was defending Armstrong) del is being deceptive.

That graph looks suspicious because it is using a much smaller scale than froomes or wiggos or for that matter Cadel's one would.

It goes up to 1000. An Evans one would use a scale twice as big and go up to 2000. The froome and Wiggins ones go up to 3000 (and even then, the inclines are far more steep). It's like comparing the profiles of some of those small stage races that max out at 500m altitude and make road bumps look like cols, to the official rcs profile of a dolomite queen stage and trying to say the 2 stages are similar.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

and... any more? You've beaten that drum so often the skin's looking ragged and has holes in it.

As you guys do with Froome/Sky for about 10.000 pages. So my true deep Horner hate, repeatetly spilled in here, is like a fart in the wind in comparison...

 

[the sceptic]

As you guys do with Froome/Sky for about 10.000 pages. So my true deep Horner hate, repeatetly spilled in here, is like a fart in the wind in comparison...

You hate Horner because he is a doper, but you find Froome and sky believeable.

But in the real world, Froome/sky have done a lot more damage to cycling than Horner.

But of course you know that. Youre just butthurt that Horner made skyfans look like tools.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

So why release the data from the Vuelta 2011-when it was released last year?

Because they got tired I guess. The pressure was big, so they came up with something for the wolves....

 

[Dear Wiggo]

As you guys do with Froome/Sky for about 10.000 pages. So my true deep Horner hate, repeatetly spilled in here, is like a fart in the wind in comparison...

so when you said riders, plural, you were ... taking literary license? playing fast and loose with the truth, ala David Brailsford?

Let's play swings and roundabouts: what data could Sky release that would convince you Wiggo and Froome were clean? Or are you already there?

 

[EnacheV]

But in the real world, Froome/sky have done a lot more damage to cycling than Horner.

o'really?

how do you quantify that?

what damage?

or are you talking out of your ***, again ? most likely

 

[del1962]

You hate Horner because he is a doper, but you find Froome and sky believeable.

But in the real world, Froome/sky have done a lot more damage to cycling than Horner.

But of course you know that. Youre just butthurt that Horner made skyfans look like tools.

Makes me laugh coming from you

 

[BYOP88]

Because they got tired I guess. The pressure was big, so they came up with something for the wolves....

By releasing a select portion of the data, and lets face it the portion that shows their guy to be a world beater and no data when he was "a holding onto cars on climbs" rider. Isn't really going to quieten down those people wanting answers, it's just going to make these people louder.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

so when you said riders, plural, you were ... taking literary license? playing fast and loose with the truth, ala David Brailsford?

Let's play swings and roundabouts: what data could Sky release that would convince you Wiggo and Froome were clean? Or are you already there?

WTF... names? Since 2010? Cobo up and down and out, up again, gone again, Lagutin T-10, gone, PVelits up and gone, Mosq... blabla.
Pleased? If not... anyway, I like to hack away on my favo Chris Horner. The most obvious doper there is. No tiny doubt about that. Unexplainable to even consider he might have doing it clean, cleanish or in grey area, in his ToC win and Vuelta win...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

As you guys do with Froome/Sky for about 10.000 pages. So my true deep Horner hate, repeatetly spilled in here, is like a fart in the wind in comparison...

Not sure who "you guys" is, but I point out flaws in arguments offered for

Wiggo
Froome
JV1973 and his merry men
etc

and have no issue with Cadel being considered an assisted TdF winner.

You might hate a rider but man, I have far more important things to devote time, energy and emotion to, and some random rider in the middle of nowhere near me ain't it.

Analysing what they say and their performances and writing about it is a hobby, but nowhere near something that elicits that strong of an emotion.

I realise now that all the "hate" calling is simply projection, so go for it dude, hate away.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

But in the real world, Froome/sky have done a lot more damage to cycling than Horner.

We have been there before... I know, Sky/Froome came to shock the world, so CH had to go back in time to win the ToC at age 39 as revenge... Only problem with your theory: There was no Sky/Froome when CH damaged the trust of cycling fans once again, and for all back in May 2011.