Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[msjett]

For the same reason you won't see an 8-way tie for "first" in the 100m sprint.

But apparently they run just as fast after they have been banned for drugs....true story that.

I do though find it strange that the sit sprint wind up happens (reminds me of a hamster on the wheel) but then Froome basically goes backwards.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I still don't get why Froome doesn't have it at the end of the stage when he needs to kick on for the win? If they are all super charged including Froome, why can't he win a stage? Prior to this last few months the guy didn't come up short ever on a mountain top finish. So why? Are the others really that much stronger, today showed not.....

Froome has been hot-or-not all year. Do you remember his DNS at LBL(I think) the claim he was "sick." Three days later absolutely destroying the field. Three days!

I can't quite figure it out other than the obvious he just isn't developing his TdF winning power.

 

[DirtyWorks]

And why not measure the climb as a whole? Surely the pace they take the early part has an impact on the later part.

Because It turns out that gravity is a b!tch and there is no hiding from it.

 

[msjett]

Froome has been hot-or-not all year. Do you remember his DNS at LBL(I think) the claim he was "sick." Three days later absolutely destroying the field. Three days!

I can't quite figure it out other than the obvious he just isn't developing his TdF winning power.

Good point -hot or not is a good way to describe his form.

Well I have been scratching my head over the way he is riding and this lack of power at the finish, I half expected in the last stage if he got rid of Valverde and Rodriguez - he would be able to dislodge Contador.

 

[laurel1969]

Froomes big mistake was not starting his doping earlier, like when he was in his teens. Then he would have blended in nicely and it would have been called 'class'.

 

[Hawkwood]

Froomes big mistake was not starting his doping earlier, like when he was in his teens. Then he would have blended in nicely and it would have been called 'class'.

You might have something there.

 

[LaFlorecita]

And? An 18 minute segement? Why are there no stats for the full 16km climb? Picking suitable Strava segements are you?

These are the numbers we have. If you want to see the numbers for the entire climb, you're free to calculate them. No one will stop you.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Froomes big mistake was not starting his doping earlier, like when he was in his teens. Then he would have blended in nicely and it would have been called 'class'.

But he still would have been called a doper

 

[laurel1969]

But he still would have been called a doper

Not so sure.

What marked Froome out was that remarkable difference between his abilities in July 2011 and those two months later.

 

[frenchfry]

Not so sure.

What marked Froome out was that remarkable difference between his abilities in July 2011 and those two months later.

And the fact that he looks like an egg beater on his bike.

 

[Benotti69]

And where does that come from? A conveniently round number sold to you with no reference to the length of the climb by people who then derive a media profile why saying riders break it?

Aldo Sassi and Vaughters to name 2.

 

[Benotti69]

Have to say I think Froome is most likely using chemical assistance...

But 6.4 W/Kg is perfectly within the limits of human physiology for 18 mins.

After riding all day and riding HC cols before this and it comes in the 3rd week of a GT where the 2 previous days have been hard MTF stages!

No it aint perfectly within human limits. If it is why is half the peloton not doing it????

 

[Arnout]

After riding all day and riding HC cols before this and it comes in the 3rd week of a GT where the 2 previous days have been hard MTF stages!

No it aint perfectly within human limits. If it is why is half the peloton not doing it????

So you think half the peloton is not doping?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Because It turns out that gravity is a b!tch and there is no hiding from it.

Definitely my favorite post in the past several days. Thanks for the genuine out loud laugh I had.

 

[the sceptic]

Aldo Sassi and Vaughters to name 2.

gotta love it. Its almost as if people have forgotten that the entire year or 2012 was spent arguing about this number.

 

[Benotti69]

So you think half the peloton is not doping?

Yeah, because they all have the same ability and talent!!!

Nope most are doping the % is in the nigh 90s, very high 90s.

 

[Netserk]

Froomes big mistake was not starting his doping earlier, like when he was in his teens. Then he would have blended in nicely and it would have been called 'class'.

Huh? Are you saying he wasn't doping since his teens???

Just because he started BBs(or whatever he took/takes) in 2011 doesn't mean he was clean before that.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Froomes big mistake was not starting his doping earlier, like when he was in his teens. Then he would have blended in nicely and it would have been called 'class'.

Haha, good point. People would be saying 'he's always had talent'

 

[Benotti69]

Haha, good point. People would be saying 'he's always had talent'

yeah just like the other dopers who all have threads in here, Contador, Nibali, Canc, Gilbert, Piti, Purito ..........

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Haha, good point. People would be saying 'he's always had talent'

Nah, probably just the same people who are saying "he's always had talent but he started late and had a disease and bad tactics and ... " now

 

[The Hitch]

Haha, good point. People would be saying 'he's always had talent'

That's a very weird argument.

Yeah you are right, if Froome had showed more talent from the start more people would have said he always had talent.

But he didn't show that talent. Or anything resembling that talent. So what's the point you are trying to make?

Its sort of like saying - if Armstrong had been born with more talent he wouldn't have had to dope to win all those Tours. And then all those haters would have been wrong when they acused him of doping mwahahahahahahaha.

Right, but that is some weird alternative fantasy.

The fact is Froome showed no talent for most of his career then one day exploded and became the best.

So playing - lets pretend he showed talent, carries no relevance to the discussion.

 

[The Hitch]

Not so sure.

What marked Froome out was that remarkable difference between his abilities in July 2011 and those two months later.

There's also the fact that he is riding faster than 99% of dopers ever managed and was able last year to maintain a 6 month long super peak in which he showed total immunity from fatigue, which anyone who doens't believe in fairytales would tell you is absolutely impossible without massive doping.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

There's also the fact that he is riding faster than 99% of dopers ever managed and was able last year to maintain a 6 month long super peak in which he showed total immunity from fatigue, which anyone who doens't believe in fairytales would tell you is absolutely impossible without massive doping.

2nd at the Tour and then 4th at the Vuelta was pretty admirable too, I thought?

 

[go crazy]

Rest day at the Vuelta...so what do we think of Froome so far in terms of form? Is he way off his 2013 form, to the point where other riders can hang with him, or even drop him, or did some of these guys (Contador in particular) step up their own "enhancements" to be able to keep up?

I'm just wondering in 2015, should we expect Froome to come back with a vengeance and once again destroy everyone with ease, or are the others starting to step up their own programs, and we could see more competitive high-octane racing?

 

[the sceptic]

Who knows about Dawg. I thought he was finished but then suddenly he shows up with a mutant performance even though he is supposed to only be there to train. So I will stop trying to predict what he will do.

Nibali and Contador will be mutant. Quintana too. The arms race will continue to spread.

I wonder what will happened to little Ritchie and if he will get that GT win he was promised.