Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[burning]

So much analysis of times.

With 11.5km to go, De Marchi, a rider who has only ever won three races, went solo. He had a lead of 1.10 over the GC group and had been in the break all day. Only two people caught him. He was only 50s down on Contador at the finish. So how fast where they really going?

With 4km to go, De Marchi, a rider who has only ever won three races, went solo. He had a lead of 1.00 over the GC group and had been in the break all day. Only two people caught him. He was only 50s down on Contador at the finish. So how fast where they really going?

I reworded your question so it makes more sense.

 

[Parker]

With 4km to go, De Marchi, a rider who has only ever won three races, went solo. He had a lead of 1.00 over the GC group and had been in the break all day. Only two people caught him. He was only 50s down on Contador at the finish. So how fast where they really going?

I reworded your question so it makes more sense.

No, he dropped Poels at the 11.5 km mark - that's where he went solo. But even with the 4km mark the point remains.

 

[Parker]

Is your question rhetorical, or do you need some help with the math?

Show me the maths then. Make sure you show the working.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Show me the maths then. Make sure you show the working.

Here's how fast they went:

 

[Dear Wiggo]

V=d/t

d=6 km
t=18 min = (18/60)hr
v=6/18/60 = 6*60/18 = 20km/hr

You're welcome.

 

[burning]

No, he dropped Poels at the 11.5 km mark - that's where he went solo. But even with the 4km mark the point remains.

They were really slow until Nieve set the pace, he even gained time on the group. Froome and Contador were really fast after they Froome attacked as they are over the "human limit" by a big margin.

 

[Parker]

They were really slow until Nieve set the pace, he even gained time on the group. Froome and Contador were really fast after they Froome attacked as they are over the "human limit" by a big margin.

What's the 'human limit'? Specifics please. I know sources will be too much to ask.

And why not measure the climb as a whole? Surely the pace they take the early part has an impact on the later part.

 

[burning]

What's the 'human limit'? Specifics please. I know sources will be too much to ask.

And why not measure the climb as a whole? Surely the pace they take the early part has an impact on the later part.

I was talking about the "holy" 6.0 w/kg.

I think the reason behind the measurement is the climb is pretty much a false flat until 6km to go, so the results would be just based on the pace of the group.

 

[Parker]

Here's how fast they went:

And? An 18 minute segement? Why are there no stats for the full 16km climb? Picking suitable Strava segements are you?

 

[Parker]

I was talking about the "holy" 6.0 w/kg.

And where does that come from? A conveniently round number sold to you with no reference to the length of the climb by people who then derive a media profile why saying riders break it?

 

[burning]

And where does that come from? A conveniently round number sold to you with no reference to the length of the climb?

That number is based on the bullsh*t that Sky came up with and I was joking with it.

 

[nomapnocompass]

Have to say I think Froome is most likely using chemical assistance...

But 6.4 W/Kg is perfectly within the limits of human physiology for 18 mins.

 

[Walkman]

Have to say I think Froome is most likely using chemical assistance...

But 6.4 W/Kg is perfectly within the limits of human physiology for 18 mins.

Do you have a source? Just curious.

 

[D-Queued]

Here's how fast they went:

20.5 kph?

Now, is it just me or have the motos been really close to the riders for this edition of the Vuelta?

Who needs teammates when you can reach out and touch a camera moto for minutes on end?

Dave.

 

[red_flanders]

Have to say I think Froome is most likely using chemical assistance...

But 6.4 W/Kg is perfectly within the limits of human physiology for 18 mins.

The important question is not whether it's believably within human limits, but whether it's believably within Froome's limits.

If he is a specimen who operates at the limits of human physiology, he would have shown such talent long before he did. It's pretty obvious that he was a mediocre rider who all of a sudden started operating at the envelope of human potential.

He's a doper.

 

[Granville57]

The important question is...

No, the important question is:

Why did it take me until just now to finally get your avatar?

 

[msjett]

I still don't get why Froome doesn't have it at the end of the stage when he needs to kick on for the win? If they are all super charged including Froome, why can't he win a stage? Prior to this last few months the guy didn't come up short ever on a mountain top finish. So why? Are the others really that much stronger, today showed not.....

 

[red_flanders]

No, the important question is:

Why did it take me until just now to finally get your avatar?

Too many ideas happening at once. Not my best work, but good enough.

 

[Granville57]

If they are all super charged including Froome, why can't he win a stage?

For the same reason you won't see an 8-way tie for "first" in the 100m sprint.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

No problem.

Like all of you I read the thread with the book extracts. Like you I laughed (at the coffee thing) but was also disturbed (the bunny thing, lying about being clean). However, you guys have formed an opinion about someone by cherry picking certain parts of the book and ignoring the rest. I believe the guy who was posting it admitted to not reading the whole book. You can do that about any public figure if you want to.

I didn't buy or read the book, and I wouldn't use it for toilet paper (full disclosure: I have enough money to buy 2-ply and those nice wetwipes that make my bum feel ooohhh so clean).

I get that some people think winning the Atomic Jock Race is a sure sign that a rider will win the Tour in dominating fashion, and that 5th place in the Commonwealth Games TT is surely a further indication of the massive talent of a rider, but I think cherry picking significant results like that is not too smart...but hey, that bunny might be the one what comes hop hop hopping along on Easter to bring us eggs and candy on the day we celebrate Easter...

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Here's how fast they went:

...wow...just......wow...they would have dropped Armstrong like a bad habit...welcome to the new clean cycling.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

And where does that come from? A conveniently round number sold to you with no reference to the length of the climb by people who then derive a media profile why saying riders break it?

That number is based on the bullsh*t that Sky came up with and I was joking with it.

Hey Parker, don't bring your C game in here...you'll get smacked around like you just did...or worse. If you can't be bothered to know the full extent of what Sky has said about anything, stay away from threads that involve Sky riders...weak sauce dude, weak sauce.

 

[The Hitch]

Have to say I think Froome is most likely using chemical assistance...

But 6.4 W/Kg is perfectly within the limits of human physiology for 18 mins.

Limits of human physiology =/ what chris froome is capable off without insane ammount of drugs.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Limits of human physiology =/ what chris froome is capable off without insane ammount of drugs.

Isn't that the limit of what Michele will allow Froomey to partake?

 

[the sceptic]

Hey Parker, don't bring your C game in here...you'll get smacked around like you just did...or worse. If you can't be bothered to know the full extent of what Sky has said about anything, stay away from threads that involve Sky riders...weak sauce dude, weak sauce.

good post.