Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

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Luckier you mean again, no?
Italian Steve Bradbury (now that I think about it...Nibali literally Steve Bradbury'd his way to win that Tour) couldn't even put 10 minutes on 110 years old Jean-Christophe Peraud.

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You're not wrong: that Tour he got very lucky indeed.
But I feel more and more people tend to downplay his achievements.

I always loved riders that could read a race and know exactly how and when to win it. Not just by sheer watts, but by being smart and cunning. Nibali definitely had that instinct. And riders like that have become exceedingly rare, sadly.
 
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You're not wrong: that Tour he got very lucky indeed.
But I feel more and more people tend to downplay his achievements.

I always loved riders that could read a race and know exactly how and when to win it. Not just by sheer watts, but by being smart and cunning. Nibali definitely had that instinct. And riders like that have become exceedingly rare, sadly.
I've told this story before, but I did a Granfondo at Fiuggi a week before the start of the 2013 Giro and Nibali and Agnoli showed up to train. On the way to Collepardo I had a chance to chat breifly with Vincenzo, who was gentleman-like and he obviously was in angelic form. Agnoli gave us a real beating on the climb to Poli. Whatever one may say about Nibali, he was pure class on the bike and found ways to maximize his great talent, as at MSR. You don't pull off such feats unless you are a big champion.
 
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It was perceived like that by many: to win a GT after two years without any. It turned out that Pogacar prepared absolutely monstrous form for the Tour and they stopped saying so. If Vingegaard uses the Giro well and prepares superb form for the Tour winning it, nobody will think so anymore.
Arguably, with the level Pog showed in the classics in 2024, they must have known the Giro-Tour double was a real possibility. So the team must have never thought riding the Giro was capitulation. In fact, how could Pog ever ride a race thinking its consolation before the Tour? I don't think it's in his DNA.
 
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Arguably, with the level Pog showed in the classics in 2024, they must have known the Giro-Tour double was a real possibility. So the team must have never thought riding the Giro was capitulation. In fact, how could Pog ever ride a race thinking its consolation before the Tour? I don't think it's in his DNA.

I meant how it was perceived by some fans, same as now in Vingo's case. I don't know what was going on in Pogacar's or Vingo's head (none of us knows).
 

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11-Pogačar TadejUAE Team Emirates - XRG130050052″76:00:32
22-Vingegaard JonasTeam Visma | Lease a Bike104038034″4:24


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11-Vingegaard JonasJumbo-Visma130050029″82:05:42
22-Pogačar TadejUAE Team Emirates104038051″7:29


If you want to discuss capitulation, there is always Pogacar on Col de la Loze
Pogacar beat Vingegaard in 3 stages in 2023. Vingegaard never beat Pogacar in 2025. For next Tour says more this than a huge time difference due to a major collapse.
 
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Arguably, with the level Pog showed in the classics in 2024, they must have known the Giro-Tour double was a real possibility. So the team must have never thought riding the Giro was capitulation. In fact, how could Pog ever ride a race thinking its consolation before the Tour? I don't think it's in his DNA.
I never thought he would have been able to hold that form all year long. Was the biggest surprise to me, from classics, to giro to tdf, never dropped his form once.
 
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I never thought he would have been able to hold that form all year long. Was the biggest surprise to me, from classics, to giro to tdf, never dropped his form once.
He didnt ride classics. Only MSR-LBL and went in undercooked for Giro. After Tour was really tired.
 
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He didnt ride classics. Only MSR-LBL and went in undercooked for Giro.
He rode Strade, San Remo, Catalunya and LBL. I stand by my statement that I still thought the season was extremely long, and a lot of stuff in a short period. Back then I didn't think that was possible. Now I know differently.
 
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He rode Strade, San Remo, Catalunya and LBL. I stand by my statement that I still thought the season was extremely long, and a lot of stuff in a short period. Back then I didn't think that was possible. Now I know differently.
Thats very few race days and it is incorrect to say he did classics.

Im amazed at someone being able to come back from a big crash in April and finish 3rd in the Tour (doing your best climbing ever) + winning both of the events in the Olympics. Now I know differently.
 
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Thats very few race days and it is incorrect to say he did classics.

Im amazed at someone being able to come back from a big crash in April and finish 3rd in the Tour (doing your best climbing ever) + winning both of the events in the Olympics. Now I know differently.
Not even sure what you think I was getting at, because I wasn't getting at anything
 
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I meant how it was perceived by some fans, same as now in Vingo's case. I don't know what was going on in Pogacar's or Vingo's head (none of us knows).
Of course, but personally any suspicion about capitulation quickly evaporated during that spring campaign. And I image that was the case for any clear-headed observers at the time.
 
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I never thought he would have been able to hold that form all year long. Was the biggest surprise to me, from classics, to giro to tdf, never dropped his form once.
The fact that he upped his game on UAE didn't surprise me and I knew during the Giro he was going to be incredible at the Tour. By that time, a sudden drop of form would have surprised me.
 
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“I actually think the person who posted it explained it quite well. That’s exactly what happened. He followed me, and then I simply went too fast into a corner. That was something I shouldn’t have done. So I crashed, but it wasn’t really that bad,” Jonas Vingegaard explains to TV 2 Sport.

Jonas Vingegaard felt perhaps slightly pressured by the amateur rider, and in trying to get away from him he took a rash chance that resulted in a crash.

However, he stresses that he has no problem with fans or amateur cyclists riding up to him to ask for a photo when he is out training. But he does not like being followed.

“Maybe he knows who I am, but we don’t know each other. And the fact that he’s sitting on my wheel feels a bit intrusive. I wouldn’t just follow someone down the street when I’m out walking either. So to me it feels a bit intrusive when people follow me like that,” says Vingegaard.

Tadej Pogačar has also said that you riders should be left alone when you’re training. Do you feel that it has got worse, or become more of a thing, that people try to ride after you when you’re training?

“Yes, I do. But actually it doesn’t happen that much when I ride at home in Denmark, because there aren’t that many people cycling around Glyngøre. It’s more when you’re abroad, because then there are many people sitting on your wheel. I think it’s fine if people come up and ask for a photo and then let us do the training we have to do. After all, it’s my job.

“Even though you might think I shouldn’t have to, I still have to take the person behind me into account. If I have to brake hard, I risk him riding into the back of me. If I’ve got a runny nose, I can’t just blow my nose because I might hit him. So I constantly have to take someone else into consideration. There’s a reason I’m out riding alone. It’s because I WANT to ride alone.

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“When the crash had just happened, I also thought that if it continues like this and gets worse and worse, then that’s what it will end up with. Either the riders will have a motorbike or some kind of personal bodyguard so that people simply can’t get near us at all. And that would be even worse. We have to look after ourselves. When it becomes intrusive for us that people follow us, then something has to be done about it.

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“Of course, it’s probably a big thing for them to see a rider like Tadej or me. But people have to accept that we’re at work – rather than sitting on our wheel or riding alongside us and chatting. We’re working, and I might be in the middle of an interval, and then I don’t have the time or the energy to sit and talk. In that sense I think they should give us a bit more privacy.”
 

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