Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Gratemans]

Luckier you mean again, no?
Italian Steve Bradbury (now that I think about it...Nibali literally Steve Bradbury'd his way to win that Tour) couldn't even put 10 minutes on 110 years old Jean-Christophe Peraud.

Edit: (don't hate me for telling the truth please)

You're not wrong: that Tour he got very lucky indeed.
But I feel more and more people tend to downplay his achievements.

I always loved riders that could read a race and know exactly how and when to win it. Not just by sheer watts, but by being smart and cunning. Nibali definitely had that instinct. And riders like that have become exceedingly rare, sadly.

 

[Extinction]

You're not wrong: that Tour he got very lucky indeed.
But I feel more and more people tend to downplay his achievements.

I always loved riders that could read a race and know exactly how and when to win it. Not just by sheer watts, but by being smart and cunning. Nibali definitely had that instinct. And riders like that have become exceedingly rare, sadly.

I've told this story before, but I did a Granfondo at Fiuggi a week before the start of the 2013 Giro and Nibali and Agnoli showed up to train. On the way to Collepardo I had a chance to chat breifly with Vincenzo, who was gentleman-like and he obviously was in angelic form. Agnoli gave us a real beating on the climb to Poli. Whatever one may say about Nibali, he was pure class on the bike and found ways to maximize his great talent, as at MSR. You don't pull off such feats unless you are a big champion.

 

[Extinction]

Giro, Jonas
Tour, Tadej
Vuelta, Roglic

If Pog doesn't decide to ride the Vuelta.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Was Pogacar rading the Giro in 2024 capitulation?

It was perceived like that by many: to win a GT after two years without any. It turned out that Pogacar prepared absolutely monstrous form for the Tour and they stopped saying so. If Vingegaard uses the Giro well and prepares superb form for the Tour winning it, nobody will think so anymore.

 

[Extinction]

It was perceived like that by many: to win a GT after two years without any. It turned out that Pogacar prepared absolutely monstrous form for the Tour and they stopped saying so. If Vingegaard uses the Giro well and prepares superb form for the Tour winning it, nobody will think so anymore.

Arguably, with the level Pog showed in the classics in 2024, they must have known the Giro-Tour double was a real possibility. So the team must have never thought riding the Giro was capitulation. In fact, how could Pog ever ride a race thinking its consolation before the Tour? I don't think it's in his DNA.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Arguably, with the level Pog showed in the classics in 2024, they must have known the Giro-Tour double was a real possibility. So the team must have never thought riding the Giro was capitulation. In fact, how could Pog ever ride a race thinking its consolation before the Tour? I don't think it's in his DNA.

I meant how it was perceived by some fans, same as now in Vingo's case. I don't know what was going on in Pogacar's or Vingo's head (none of us knows).

 

[Cycling111]

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2025

Rnk	Prev	▼▲	Rider	Team	UCI	Pnt		Time
1	1	-	Pogačar Tadej	UAE Team Emirates - XRG	1300	500	52″	76:00:32
2	2	-	Vingegaard Jonas	Team Visma | Lease a Bike	1040	380	34″	4:24

2023

Rnk	Prev	▼▲	Rider	Team	UCI	Pnt		Time
1	1	-	Vingegaard Jonas	Jumbo-Visma	1300	500	29″	82:05:42
2	2	-	Pogačar Tadej	UAE Team Emirates	1040	380	51″	7:29

If you want to discuss capitulation, there is always Pogacar on Col de la Loze

Pogacar beat Vingegaard in 3 stages in 2023. Vingegaard never beat Pogacar in 2025. For next Tour says more this than a huge time difference due to a major collapse.

 

[Berniece]

Arguably, with the level Pog showed in the classics in 2024, they must have known the Giro-Tour double was a real possibility. So the team must have never thought riding the Giro was capitulation. In fact, how could Pog ever ride a race thinking its consolation before the Tour? I don't think it's in his DNA.

I never thought he would have been able to hold that form all year long. Was the biggest surprise to me, from classics, to giro to tdf, never dropped his form once.

 

[Salvarani]

I never thought he would have been able to hold that form all year long. Was the biggest surprise to me, from classics, to giro to tdf, never dropped his form once.

He didnt ride classics. Only MSR-LBL and went in undercooked for Giro. After Tour was really tired.

 

[Berniece]

He didnt ride classics. Only MSR-LBL and went in undercooked for Giro.

He rode Strade, San Remo, Catalunya and LBL. I stand by my statement that I still thought the season was extremely long, and a lot of stuff in a short period. Back then I didn't think that was possible. Now I know differently.

 

[Salvarani]

He rode Strade, San Remo, Catalunya and LBL. I stand by my statement that I still thought the season was extremely long, and a lot of stuff in a short period. Back then I didn't think that was possible. Now I know differently.

Thats very few race days and it is incorrect to say he did classics.

Im amazed at someone being able to come back from a big crash in April and finish 3rd in the Tour (doing your best climbing ever) + winning both of the events in the Olympics. Now I know differently.

 

[Berniece]

Thats very few race days and it is incorrect to say he did classics.

Im amazed at someone being able to come back from a big crash in April and finish 3rd in the Tour (doing your best climbing ever) + winning both of the events in the Olympics. Now I know differently.

Not even sure what you think I was getting at, because I wasn't getting at anything

 

[Salvarani]

Not even sure what you think I was getting at, because I wasn't getting at anything

Sure, lol

 

[Extinction]

I meant how it was perceived by some fans, same as now in Vingo's case. I don't know what was going on in Pogacar's or Vingo's head (none of us knows).

Of course, but personally any suspicion about capitulation quickly evaporated during that spring campaign. And I image that was the case for any clear-headed observers at the time.

 

[Extinction]

I never thought he would have been able to hold that form all year long. Was the biggest surprise to me, from classics, to giro to tdf, never dropped his form once.

The fact that he upped his game on UAE didn't surprise me and I knew during the Giro he was going to be incredible at the Tour. By that time, a sudden drop of form would have surprised me.