Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Benotti69]

Re:

guyincognito.....................there are always different examples to support conflicting opinion but to suggest

members be disqualified from posting for expressing differing thought......................well? i guess i'm not the

only one who could learn...................

Mark L

He doesn't say that. Talk about twisting words. Jeez.

 

[GuyIncognito]

Where the heck did I say that, mate?

 

[ebandit]

Re: froome busted

i recall the 'pre epo era'.................perfectly normal for riders to experience 'bad' days

Mark L

If you think drugs prevent bad days, please stay out of the discussion until you've gained knowledge'

of course i never said that....................but i see i was incorrect to focus on 'please stay out of the discussion until you've gained knowledge' missing the context in which it was used............oops! my bad

Mark L

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Re:

[quote="performance is not an acceptable metric to judge doping

maybe only for a few people, that use it anyway they like to reinforce their position like : he is fast he dopes, same guy he is slow he dopes. nonsense like that[/quote]

there's an american guy that used to race, you may know him, he also knows his way round PEDS..

he had a little phrase based on performance..."not normal"

Froome post Vuelta 2011 = not normal

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Re:

But you know what? I think AC is cleaner than previously, certainly in 2013 - he looked totally out of it. Really suffering and puffing - not like the past. I cant comment on 2014 since I didn't really watch the Tour after CF dropped out, and the Vuelta doesn't get as much hype as the Tour over here (although the coverage is about the same).

I'm confused. You can tell how much contador is doping purely based on watching his performance on tv.

So now performance IS an acceptable metric by which to judge doping?

But totally not acceptable for anyone else to do it with sky riders. Hmm

performance is not an acceptable metric to judge doping

maybe only for a few people, that use it anyway they like to reinforce their position like : he is fast he dopes, same guy he is slow he dopes. nonsense like that

not quite worked out this whole quote thing...the above was for the benefit of SKY Tears...The Spud may also want to consider.......

 

[harryh]

What was the drug which transformed him overnight? Something from the outer space? Available only for ET's?

 

[gillan1969]

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What was the drug which transformed him overnight? Something from the outer space? Available only for ET's?

we don't know...what we do know is that his rise came at the same time as weight loss drugs (and he lost weight) and the hiring of Lienders (you'll know who he is).....he's the man that along with Zorzoli (you'll know who he is) can make everything ok....

That and none of his pre-2011 Vuelta data is being released..this is the data which is key....this data should confirm what the data Brailsford did release showed...i.e. despite mediocre performances Froome is actually the fittest individual the world has ever known....

I wish Hamilton had been riding the 2011 Vuelta with Arrmstrong as they both watched Froome disappear up the road...before Armstrong could even say "not normal" he would have to say "who the f**k was that?"

 

[harryh]

But literally overnight? Never knew that there exists such powerful drugs...

 

[the sceptic]

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What was the drug which transformed him overnight? Something from the outer space? Available only for ET's?

I agree that even with doping it's hard to wrap ones head around how it's possible to have transformations like Froome did. It's a bit like Greipel winning the tour this year.

But I hope you're not trying to make the argument that since no one knows exactly what cocktail Dawg is on it means he is cleans. That would be ridiculous.

 

[Netserk]

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But literally overnight? Never knew that there exists such powerful drugs...

Blood bags do work overnight...

But really, it was from the end of Pologne to the Vuelta (stage 9 was his first wtf performance). So there's a 2-3 weeks timeframe for improvement.

 

[harryh]

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But I hope you're not trying to make the argument that since no one knows exactly what cocktail Dawg is on it means he is cleans. That would be ridiculous.

I think every GT contender uses PED's, legal or illegal. A part of business and doesn't make the show less entertaining. Actually, I like super human performances, they are not only entertaining but also motivate me to ride my bike, although my own efforts are not so super human, and wouldn't be even if I used every drug available including those from outer space

Lemond, Indurain, Zulle, Rominger, Ullrich, Armstrong are my all time favorites, oh, and Harry Hannus of course. I almost lost my interest in cycling, and riding my bike, when Armstrong retired but via performances of Chris Froome I have found it again

 

[McLovin]

Ok, but how is possible that a rider with relatively small salary finds something so good and so only for him and how come this exclusivity is lasting even after almost 4 years?

 

[Netserk]

Investment. I'm quite sure he got way more in return than he has spend on dope. Of course not all dope is expensive.

Who has talked about exclusivity? Maybe it's just more of the same or better use of the same dope as others. Or just better responding.

 

[harryh]

Re: Re:

But literally overnight? Never knew that there exists such powerful drugs...

Blood bags do work overnight...

But really, it was from the end of Pologne to the Vuelta (stage 9 was his first wtf performance). So there's a 2-3 weeks timeframe for improvement.

All right, not maybe overnight but in 2-3 weeks, well that's still helluva transformation. Wonder why other GT contenders don't use his method. Can't even imagine how strong Contador or Nibali would be if they used the secret blood bag-method

 

[Netserk]

Maybe, just maybe, they already do...

 

[harryh]

I mean they are talented but Froome isn't, so Contador would have beaten him minutes in TdF 2013 with the secret blood bag-method.

 

[McLovin]

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Investment. I'm quite sure he got way more in return than he has spend on dope. Of course not all dope is expensive.

Who has talked about exclusivity? Maybe it's just more of the same or better use of the same dope as others. Or just better responding.

Investment? If you have a good recipe you open a chain of stores, like KFC or McFuentes. Instead you sell two spicy wings to Froome every day from Feb to Jul?
It's pretty sure to say it's an exclusive thing if it's doping. Every second message on this thread is saying how this is the biggest tranformation in the modern history of cycling. Where are the other Froomes? Or half Froomes?
So many things are weird but for now, apart from that inhaler, I see nothing with a base.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

What was the drug which transformed him overnight? Something from the outer space? Available only for ET's?

I agree that even with doping it's hard to wrap ones head around how it's possible to have transformations like Froome did. It's a bit like Greipel winning the tour this year.

But I hope you're not trying to make the argument that since no one knows exactly what cocktail Dawg is on it means he is cleans. That would be ridiculous.

I still remember the hillarious argument conjured up by some sky fans here last summer, that Froome's transformation is so amazing, it can't possibly be explained by drugs, since drugs never transformed anyone that much, ergo he must be clean.

 

[The Hitch]

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Investment. I'm quite sure he got way more in return than he has spend on dope. Of course not all dope is expensive.

Who has talked about exclusivity? Maybe it's just more of the same or better use of the same dope as others. Or just better responding.

Investment? If you have a good recipe you open a chain of stores, like KFC or McFuentes. Instead you sell two spicy wings to Froome every day from Feb to Jul?
It's pretty sure to say it's an exclusive thing if it's doping. Every second message on this thread is saying how this is the biggest tranformation in the modern history of cycling. Where are the other Froomes? Or half Froomes?
So many things are weird but for now, apart from that inhaler, I see nothing with a base.

Could you maybe rewrite this post when you sober up a little? Right now its really confusing, none of your points follow on from eachother, and they seem to be mostly random facts.

What you seem to be saying is
1 Everyone says Froome is the biggest transformation in cycling (ok)
2 But there are no other similar transformations (no there aren't, what's your point)
3 There is no evidence. (errr, not true, and how does that follow on from the other things you said?)

 

[Netserk]

I guess when Riis transformed he must've been on something unique, since not every single rider who took epo transformed like him

 

[McLovin]

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Investment. I'm quite sure he got way more in return than he has spend on dope. Of course not all dope is expensive.

Who has talked about exclusivity? Maybe it's just more of the same or better use of the same dope as others. Or just better responding.

Investment? If you have a good recipe you open a chain of stores, like KFC or McFuentes. Instead you sell two spicy wings to Froome every day from Feb to Jul?
It's pretty sure to say it's an exclusive thing if it's doping. Every second message on this thread is saying how this is the biggest tranformation in the modern history of cycling. Where are the other Froomes? Or half Froomes?
So many things are weird but for now, apart from that inhaler, I see nothing with a base.

Could you maybe rewrite this post when you sober up a little? Right now its really confusing, none of your points follow on from eachother, and they seem to be mostly random facts.

What you seem to be saying is
1 Everyone says Froome is the biggest transformation in cycling (ok)
2 But there are no other similar transformations (no there aren't, what's your point)
3 There is no evidence. (errr, not true, and how does that follow on from the other things you said?)

Before I answer I am saying I am not a Froome fan and I never sustained he is clean. I am sober right now.
The link between 1-2 is that I tried to point out the potential exclusivity of that potential drug.
And for 3, I said THAT MANY THINGS ARE WEIRD, BUT.... .
And I don't see any of that evidence you claim there are out there. Where is Fromme's O'Reilly or something like that? 4 years and not a single minor leak?

 

[McLovin]

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I guess when Riis transformed he must've been on something unique, since not every single rider who took epo transformed like him

Riis was an one hit wonder who took a lot of risks regarding his health for an ambition and than he went 'normal' again. This is how I see it.

 

[Netserk]

I think he was more healthy than Froomie is.

 

[McLovin]

Riis had jelly running in his veins. Is a bigger risk to die because lack of fat? Ok.

 

[harryh]

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I still remember the hillarious argument conjured up by some sky fans here last summer, that Froome's transformation is so amazing, it can't possibly be explained by drugs, since drugs never transformed anyone that much, ergo he must be clean.

I'm a fan of Team Sky, or at least wish them to perform well, not least for the reason Kjell Carlström used to ride for them. However, I don't claim they are clean or cleaner than other teams.

But yeah, I wonder as well which kind of drug transforms small engine to a large one so quickly? Well, obviously the magic drug didn't work for Carlström or maybe he just hadn't access to it, which is a shame.