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[BYOP88]

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Good lord. How can any cycling journo write this post Armstrong

"Va Va Froome won his Yellow Jersey against a soundtrack of uncorroborated smears that his rocket fuel included banned substances - even though he was tested 30 times in three weeks and each one was negative."

It wasn't that long ago that even some posters in the clinic didn't seem to understand how to interpret a negative. It's hopeless. Negatives will always prove national heroes to be clean, even with Armstrong holding the World record for most clean tests ever doping throughout his career, Balco athletes never getting caught etc.

In the past era EPo was indetectable, and there wasnt biopassport, now test are really eficcient, but you will see in the future becouse now I dont have any hope on you believe that.

After to see that most of rieders of Festina were doped by EPO, some performances of some riders later at the end of a GT were not possible without doping, expecially becouse then riders didnt take care in all the things that riders take now.

But now is impossible a doping like Festina, maybe some riders still dope in an small quantity, but anyway a good rider can win everything clean.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'll have what you're smoking/drinking please!

 

[goggalor]

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Two missed tests in 5 years. Well that's not too bad.

Yeah, any good doping programme should not rely on dodging tests. That is for emergencies only.

 

[heart_attack_man]

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Good lord. How can any cycling journo write this post Armstrong

"Va Va Froome won his Yellow Jersey against a soundtrack of uncorroborated smears that his rocket fuel included banned substances - even though he was tested 30 times in three weeks and each one was negative."

It wasn't that long ago that even some posters in the clinic didn't seem to understand how to interpret a negative. It's hopeless. Negatives will always prove national heroes to be clean, even with Armstrong holding the World record for most clean tests ever doping throughout his career, Balco athletes never getting caught etc.

In the past era EPo was indetectable, and there wasnt biopassport, now test are really eficcient, but you will see in the future becouse now I dont have any hope on you believe that.

After to see that most of rieders of Festina were doped by EPO, some performances of some riders later at the end of a GT were not possible without doping, expecially becouse then riders didnt take care in all the things that riders take now.

But now is impossible a doping like Festina, maybe some riders still dope in an small quantity, but anyway a good rider can win everything clean.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'll have what you're smoking/drinking please!

I'm a good rider. I'm also clean. Look out TdF!

 

[Escarabajo]

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How the hell would the hotel staff know they were not customers?

And was this the hotel in Tenerife? Coz that brings in a whole new bunch of issues with why they train there...

It was in Italy when he was with his wife.

But I don't believe it anyway. Why Hotel staff didn't call Froome at his room. Testers understand that they have to announce themselves at the lobby of course. they are not idiots. The story sound stupid.

 

[IamIronMan]

Don't even bother replying to Taxus. He's absolutely hopeless.

 

[Archibald]

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How the hell would the hotel staff know they were not customers?

And was this the hotel in Tenerife? Coz that brings in a whole new bunch of issues with why they train there...

It was in Italy when he was with his wife.

But I don't believe it anyway. Why Hotel staff didn't call Froome at his room. Testers understand that they have to announce themselves at the lobby of course. they are not idiots. The story sound stupid.

they did ring up to his room.
his missus answered the phone and promptly said that he can't be disturbed as he was "taking a shower"
testers knew from previous history that you can't interrupt riders wanting to take a shower

 

[Jimsnchz]

The best part of the story was Froome's wording- "I just didn't see this one coming". Does that mean in other cases he gets advance warning? Perhaps someone else was asleep at the wheel?

 

[42x16ss]

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The best part of the story was Froome's wording- "I just didn't see this one coming". Does that mean in other cases he gets advance warning? Perhaps someone else was asleep at the wheel?

Most likely. It's not like this hasn't happened before

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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How the hell would the hotel staff know they were not customers?

And was this the hotel in Tenerife? Coz that brings in a whole new bunch of issues with why they train there...

It was in Italy when he was with his wife.

But I don't believe it anyway. Why Hotel staff didn't call Froome at his room. Testers understand that they have to announce themselves at the lobby of course. they are not idiots. The story sound stupid.

Yep got that later when they released more details. Still seems incredibly dodgy - and reminded me of someone in an exclusive private jet having more luck through customs than those on regular airliners.

 

[Bosco Rivera]

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The best part of the story was Froome's wording- "I just didn't see this one coming". Does that mean in other cases he gets advance warning? Perhaps someone else was asleep at the wheel?

I was thinking the same thing. After saying that, I wonder if Froome thought to himself, "did I just say that?"

 

[Anaconda]

BEEE ESSSSS, the testers carry credentials and documents. Any hotel management with half a brain would be able to deal with this situation. Simple call the client. It was at 7am, not an unusual time. A posh hotel would have even sent the manager up to the room to discuss face to face with the guest. In Italy of all places its hard for anyone to have zero idea of at least some of the issues regarding doping in sport and deal with credentialed testers showing up. Can't wait for the story of missed test#2. What about his cell tel, was that not working too? He put on his where about form the time and location they could find him. So he is responsible to be reachable.Sounds a bit far fetched to me, but Chis/Cound do make up good strories that cast doubt in the general skymania public for sure.

 

[spalco]

I still like Froome, but this story seriously stretches credulity.

Admitting a missed test is fine, I guess I can think of ways this could happen to me if I were a professional athlete, but like this?

 

[S2Sturges]

BEEE ESSSSS, the testers carry credentials and documents. Any hotel management with half a brain would be able to deal with this situation. Simple call the client. It was at 7am, not an unusual time. A posh hotel would have even sent the manager up to the room to discuss face to face with the guest. In Italy of all places its hard for anyone to have zero idea of at least some of the issues regarding doping in sport and deal with credentialed testers showing up. Can't wait for the story of missed test#2. What about his cell tel, was that not working too? He put on his where about form the time and location they could find him. So he is responsible to be reachable.Sounds a bit far fetched to me, but Chis/Cound do make up good strories that cast doubt in the general skymania public for sure.

Was he staying there with his team or any Sky personnel? Surely they would be wearing team clothing when they checked if nothing else... Testers come in with accreditation and ask for rider X room number, I can see if the testers were accompanied by hotel staff to the room, and in Italy of all places, how many tifosi hang around hotels..
The whole thing smells of old fish, he's taking everyone for idiots... It just gives many of us reason to suspect more and more that he is dodgy and untrustworthy, along with most of the team..

 

[Archibald]

he's there on a break with the missus, right? A couple of days off, and likely no bike... what then, did the testers hope to find??
glow time is 2-3days, and you're not going to benefit from juicing up while on the couch for a couple of days, so highly unlikely they have anything of note in his system, no?

or, was it really a brief holiday with Cound?

 

[rick james]

Folk jumping in feet first just because it's Froome, he was on holiday with his wife, I'm not sure what more Froome can do, surely the hotel is to blame for this? They are the ones who wouldn't let them phone the room or give them access to Froome

 

[Bolder]

Heh well this one drew me out of lurker mode.

First off, I don't believe that a missed test has all that much to do with anything. It's not like anyone big except Contador has been snared by a test in the lats 4-5 years. But...I'd feel better that Froome wasn't trying to hide anything if he'd admitted missing the test just after it happened. Waiting x number of months, blaming the hotel staff and his wife a week before the TdF is really shady behavior. How do you "forget" that you can be subject to a OOC test at any time and not plan accordinly? That really strains credibility.

In this brave new "clean" world the best thing a rider can do is be honest about every little thing. It's certainly not prima facie evidence of cleanliness, but it removes at least one avenue of prosecution.

 

[WillemS]

Well, I can see that the clinic is having a field day.

I just don't have the information available to make sense of his story. We know nothing but his story, so if has any agenda at all, we still have nothing to go on. Was he "just having a break with his wife"? That's what he says. I don't know, it could be. I would love to have to hotel confirm the proceedings, I don't think they have much to gain by lying or much to lose by telling the truth if it's uncomfortable for Froome. Most likely, though, they'll have some privacy policy that excludes talking about clients due to their status as a posh hotel.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Folk jumping in feet first just because it's Froome, he was on holiday with his wife, I'm not sure what more Froome can do, surely the hotel is to blame for this? They are the ones who wouldn't let them phone the room or give them access to Froome

I don't like the fact he has waited months to tell the public this as it makes the whole event rather fishy.

However from my own experience if you stay in a very reputable hotel where there are VIP guest the hotel staff are under strict instructions to not let any visitor disturb the guests that includes even a simple phone call, especially early in the morning. However Froome should have told the staff that there was a very minor possibility that drug testers could be on site. He was probably too busy making babies to tell them though!

 

[ebandit]

so if interpol / FBI showed up the manager would respond...............peeeeessss off our

guests are enjoying their luxury break................

Mark L

 

[SeriousSam]

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Good lord. How can any cycling journo write this post Armstrong

"Va Va Froome won his Yellow Jersey against a soundtrack of uncorroborated smears that his rocket fuel included banned substances - even though he was tested 30 times in three weeks and each one was negative."

It wasn't that long ago that even some posters in the clinic didn't seem to understand how to interpret a negative. It's hopeless. Negatives will always prove national heroes to be clean, even with Armstrong holding the World record for most clean tests ever doping throughout his career, Balco athletes never getting caught etc.

In the past era EPo was indetectable, and there wasnt biopassport, now test are really eficcient, but you will see in the future becouse now I dont have any hope on you believe that.

Yes, I don't believe that because a wise man proportions his belief to the evidence at hand. And what evidence is there the new tests are so efficient? It is researchers like Ashenden saying you can microdose EPO without detection? CIRC saying night-time testing is something that needs to be looked at because the glow time for some PEDs really is that short? The recent experiments that you can avoid passport detection whilst blood doping? The fact that throughout the history of sports, PED users have been a step ahead? Are riders being tested every week now?

 

[Pricey_sky]

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so if interpol / FBI showed up the manager would respond...............peeeeessss off our

guests are enjoying their luxury break................

Mark L

No if they had a warrant then by law they would have to be let up to the guests room.

Slightly smaller scale but used to work in a hostel, I'm was not allowed to give any visitors access to my clients room unless they have a warrant or have specified that they would be expecting a visitor.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Surely the hotel reception (or the testers) would have just called Froome and Froome like the clean hero he is would come downstairs right away.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Before he went to that hotel, Froome had to have logged into ADAMs and updated his whereabouts, including the name and address of the hotel and the time he would be available for testing.

To then rock up to the hotel and not tell them about whereabouts or testers, to me, seems kinda dodgy.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Surely the hotel reception (or the testers) would have just called Froome and Froome like the clean hero he is would come downstairs right away.

Yeah that's the part which is dodgy, surely the testers could just have contacted Froome directly, I get that the hotel could not do it but the drug testers did not have a phone?

 

[arvc40]

Apart from the Doping aspect of missing tests. How *** crazy is it that Athletes like Froome are one missed test from a ban !. That's what's a stake !. And then they come out with naive excuses. One missed test away from 2 year ban !. You would have to be *** mad to get into that situation by mistake !!