Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Beech Mtn]

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Sure. Except for the fact that Lance came back post-passport and podiumed the Tour after not racing for a few years. From nothing to podium.

Lance had a lot of merit, becouse he did the Giro quite clean, maybe clean, and he did le Tour with the doping that some people used still in that year, but not the doping he used in the past.

His stage in Ventoux were he put Wiggins in 4th place is something that I predicted and it was very suspicious.
anyway at that level of doping Lance wanst nor similar good at ITT... it is similar than Horner...now Horner won la Vuelta, but he was much better in ITT in the past.

With similar level of doping, Contador was better. Lance was under biopasport and of couese his performance was much worse than in the past.

Anyway, I dont like him, but to come back and lose that muscular weight and so on has his merit.

I was in the press hall of Vuelta a Castilla y León when he crashed, I said, It s Lance, journalist didnt believe, me and other guy repeated, yes, it is Lance, and all the jounalist there, Josu Garai from Marca and those people starting to call with mobiles very nervous, people asking me where was the hospital, people becomed crazy... Lance was a very important guy.

Unfortunatelly, Froome is a better rider, and a much better person and he dont have by far the same recognition, even today.

Have you ever met David Walsh?

 

[blackcat]

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Have you ever met David Walsh?

wrong question.

have they ever met blackcat?

 

[Beech Mtn]

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Have you ever met David Walsh?

wrong question.

have they ever met blackcat?

You are falling down on the job, KitKat. This golden opportunity has been sitting in the Wiggins Discussion thread over in the PRR for two days:

Very much alive, my friend, and today took another
step towards an historic eighth Olympic medal.
https://vine.co/v/edL3jJEWLVD

#ChaRIOtsOfFire

Here Kitty, Kitty

 

[blackcat]

thanks Beech,

Oldcrank is just taking the p!ss as we would say in Australia. They need to line up Phelps and Wigans on the diases in Rio

 

[blackcat]

actually I think OldCrank may have been helping me out, I neglected to invoke Chariots Of Fire in my last post when I invoked my Gordonstoun self-parody meme

 

[Dear Wiggo]

 

[58teeth]

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So, now that Froome is confirmed for the Vuelta...what does he do? Back off a little and appear more "human"?

I'm thinking that someone else other than him is going to win in an effort to say "Hey, he didn't win the Vuelta...he's only human! We're cleans...move along!"

 

[The Hitch]

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So, now that Froome is confirmed for the Vuelta...what does he do? Back off a little and appear more "human"?

I'm thinking that someone else other than him is going to win in an effort to say "Hey, he didn't win the Vuelta...he's only human! We're cleans...move along!"

Exactly how I see it. They and their psycho fans are so desperate to push the - oh look, he didn't win every stage of the race, he actually only finished top 5 on some of them - we never saw that in the doped era.

 

[Walkman]

Froome is doing tests at GSK Human Performance. Says results will be shared with the public. What angle is he playing here?

 

[Catwhoorg]

Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

 

[deValtos]

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So, now that Froome is confirmed for the Vuelta...what does he do? Back off a little and appear more "human"?

I'm thinking that someone else other than him is going to win in an effort to say "Hey, he didn't win the Vuelta...he's only human! We're cleans...move along!"

Exactly how I see it. They and their psycho fans are so desperate to push the - oh look, he didn't win every stage of the race, he actually only finished top 5 on some of them - we never saw that in the doped era.

Meh, irrespective of what he's on or not on I think he will try to win the Vuelta. I don't see him trying to make a 'show' in the race. If he doesn't win it's cause he couldn't imo.

 

[deValtos]

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Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

As someone who doesn't understand much about these tests, does it matter what "form" Froome is in ? Or will the results be similar for what they are testing. I say that because obviously he's probably not tip top shape right now.

 

[grizzlee]

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Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

Im not a froome fan but this is pretty big news. Is there no one here that cares about this. People have been crying and moaning in here since the toiur that he still hadn't done it. Now its been done, SILENCE, not a *** word out of anyone!

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

Im not a froome fan but this is pretty big news. Is there no one here that cares about this. People have been crying and moaning in here since the toiur that he still hadn't done it. Now its been done, SILENCE, not a **** word out of anyone!

Surely we should first wait and look at the data he releases?

1 thing I am sure about, is that it'll be a *** storm either way. If the numbers are alien, well that's dodgy, if the numbers are human, they don't match with his performances = dodgy

 

[gillan1969]

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Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

Im not a froome fan but this is pretty big news. Is there no one here that cares about this. People have been crying and moaning in here since the toiur that he still hadn't done it. Now its been done, SILENCE, not a **** word out of anyone!

SKY will release what SKY want to release

meanwhile back on planet reality we want to see his pre-vuelta 2011 data...you know, stuff they could just release without him doing any tests...they being SKY, UCI or Barloworld....

so difficult to get too excited...

 

[red_flanders]

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Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

Good lord, he looks even worse on rollers than on the road, if such were possible.

Why does anyone care about this? If I understand correctly, it's Sky doing the testing on a guy we know is performing at a certain level. What on earth is this supposed to prove? They already have released data which is known to be false on its face.

More grist for the believers I imagine...

 

[Texeng]

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Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

Im not a froome fan but this is pretty big news. Is there no one here that cares about this. People have been crying and moaning in here since the toiur that he still hadn't done it. Now its been done, SILENCE, not a **** word out of anyone!

Surely we should first wait and look at the data he releases?

1 thing I am sure about, is that it'll be a **** storm either way. If the numbers are alien, well that's dodgy, if the numbers are human, they don't match with his performances = dodgy

Totally agree, damned if you do etc

 

[Catwhoorg]

It is completely meaningless, apart from the fact he said he would do it and now is.

It will be another popular fluff piece in the UK press about how he stuck to his word, and they can/will throw in some numbers which don't mean anything.

 

[red_flanders]

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It is completely meaningless, apart from the fact he said he would do it and now is.

It will be another popular fluff piece in the UK press about how he stuck to his word, and they can/will throw in some numbers which don't mean anything.

So the goal of the testing is presumably to show that he's clean, do I have that correct? I can't actually understand what they're planning to show that would prove anything one way or another at this point.

I am interested to see what they come up with, but I don't really get what it would show to anyone who's been following his progression or understands what it takes to perform at this level, even at a rudimentary level.

If his V02 max is all of a sudden off the charts, that will be incredibly suspicious, no? EPO is known to boost V02 max. He claimed between 80 and 85 earlier (love how it's vague and he doesn't actually know).

Can they measure his efficiency?

Is there anything they could show which could show he's clean? Serious question. Thanks.

 

[Handy Bendy Ghandi]

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Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

Good lord, he looks even worse on rollers than on the road, if such were possible.

Why does anyone care about this? If I understand correctly, it's Sky doing the testing on a guy we know is performing at a certain level. What on earth is this supposed to prove? They already have released data which is known to be false on its face.

More grist for the believers I imagine...

No axe to grind, but I'm interested whether this data you speak of has been publicly shown to be false...........or whether it's "known" to be false by this forum ?

 

[red_flanders]

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Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

Good lord, he looks even worse on rollers than on the road, if such were possible.

Why does anyone care about this? If I understand correctly, it's Sky doing the testing on a guy we know is performing at a certain level. What on earth is this supposed to prove? They already have released data which is known to be false on its face.

More grist for the believers I imagine...

No axe to grind, but I'm interested whether this data you speak of has been publicly shown to be false...........or whether it's "known" to be false by this forum ?

Not sure how this forum isn't public, but I'd point you to this: Science of Sport : Great power, great responsibility. Less power, greater speeds

It is thus absolutely inconceivable that a ride of that level, where Froome was supreme on the day, was only at 5.78 W/kg.

They go on to point out that the power numbers only work if the weight numbers cited were incorrect, as they obviously were to anyone paying attention. Froome claimed to be at 64kg last year and 66 at the Dauphine with more to lose this year. So they obviously lied about the weight data and quite likely fudged the adjustment for the elliptical cranks. But clearly something was way off and not explained.

Can I prove they lied? No. Is it obvious to anyone looking at this rationally that they lied? Yes. Was it an honest error? An honest error that fits perfectly into their narrative and covers a wildly suspicious performance when the data is corrected? If you buy that I've got a bridge to sell...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

As someone who doesn't understand much about these tests, does it matter what "form" Froome is in ? Or will the results be similar for what they are testing. I say that because obviously he's probably not tip top shape right now.

Due to the nature of training, recovery and super compensation, and that fact that's he's been doing post-Tour crits, he's probably fitter now than he was at the Tour.

 

[The Hitch]

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It is completely meaningless, apart from the fact he said he would do it and now is.

It will be another popular fluff piece in the UK press about how he stuck to his word, and they can/will throw in some numbers which don't mean anything.

So the goal of the testing is presumably to show that he's clean, do I have that correct? I can't actually understand what they're planning to show that would prove anything one way or another at this point.

I am interested to see what they come up with, but I don't really get what it would show to anyone who's been following his progression or understands what it takes to perform at this level, even at a rudimentary level.

If his V02 max is all of a sudden off the charts, that will be incredibly suspicious, no? EPO is known to boost V02 max. He claimed between 80 and 85 earlier (love how it's vague and he doesn't actually know).

Can they measure his efficiency?

Is there anything they could show which could show he's clean? Serious question. Thanks.

The testing will show that Froome has a VO2 max that is bigger/smaller than Lance Armstrong's. Since Froome's Vo2 max is not the same as Lance Armstrong's this will show David Walsh he was right all along about Froome being clean since he is different to Lance Armstrong.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

Im not a froome fan but this is pretty big news. Is there no one here that cares about this. People have been crying and moaning in here since the toiur that he still hadn't done it. Now its been done, SILENCE, not a **** word out of anyone!

Whatever. If I had a dollar for every time I read, "I'm not a fan of X but..." I could retire.

 

[The Hitch]

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Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

Im not a froome fan but this is pretty big news. Is there no one here that cares about this. People have been crying and moaning in here since the toiur that he still hadn't done it. Now its been done, SILENCE, not a **** word out of anyone!

Froome already got all the praise he warranted and then some back in July when he announced he would do it. The UK press stopped barely short of having him ordained a saint for his heroic actions in the name of clean cycling.

There is 0 praise left for Froome. Him and Sky have exhausted it all. All that remains is for him to actually do the fake tests and publish the fake results.