Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Dear Wiggo]

Going to be some time before we see results. For some inexplicable reason.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

Im not a froome fan but this is pretty big news. Is there no one here that cares about this. People have been crying and moaning in here since the toiur that he still hadn't done it. Now its been done, SILENCE, not a **** word out of anyone!

Whatever. If I had a dollar for every time I read, "I'm not a fan of X but..." I could retire.

Later on in the year. Guess that's how long doctoring the results to appear somewhat convincing will take.

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Re:

Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

Good lord, he looks even worse on rollers than on the road, if such were possible.

Why does anyone care about this? If I understand correctly, it's Sky doing the testing on a guy we know is performing at a certain level. What on earth is this supposed to prove? They already have released data which is known to be false on its face.

More grist for the believers I imagine...

No axe to grind, but I'm interested whether this data you speak of has been publicly shown to be false...........or whether it's "known" to be false by this forum ?

if its not 'them' then its Froome...he has not released ANY of his medical information let alone ALL...with an ignorant press its easy to confuse the easily confused

PS this does not include any information released by Dr David Walsh (although I would check that guys credentials as he never picked up on the Asthma)

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

Good lord, he looks even worse on rollers than on the road, if such were possible.

Why does anyone care about this? If I understand correctly, it's Sky doing the testing on a guy we know is performing at a certain level. What on earth is this supposed to prove? They already have released data which is known to be false on its face.

More grist for the believers I imagine...

No axe to grind, but I'm interested whether this data you speak of has been publicly shown to be false...........or whether it's "known" to be false by this forum ?

Publicly shown.

 

[Walkman]

Re: Re:

Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

Im not a froome fan but this is pretty big news. Is there no one here that cares about this. People have been crying and moaning in here since the toiur that he still hadn't done it. Now its been done, SILENCE, not a **** word out of anyone!

Whatever. If I had a dollar for every time I read, "I'm not a fan of X but..." I could retire.

Later on in the year. Guess that's how long doctoring the results to appear somewhat convincing will take.

Going to be some time before we see results. For some inexplicable reason.

You expect him to do tests during the Vuelta and reveal them on a day by day basis?

I know you have it in for the guy (and maybe deservingly) but how would it not take some time? He started today and did one test, presumably more will do more test after the Vuelta hence the results will come out in due time.

But hey, maybe I am messing up the conspiracy theory now?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

Im not a froome fan but this is pretty big news. Is there no one here that cares about this. People have been crying and moaning in here since the toiur that he still hadn't done it. Now its been done, SILENCE, not a **** word out of anyone!

Whatever. If I had a dollar for every time I read, "I'm not a fan of X but..." I could retire.

Later on in the year. Guess that's how long doctoring the results to appear somewhat convincing will take.

Going to be some time before we see results. For some inexplicable reason.

You expect him to do tests during the Vuelta and reveal them on a day by day basis?

I know you have it in for the guy (and maybe deservingly) but how would it not take some time? He started today and did one test, presumably more will do more test after the Vuelta hence the results will come out in due time.

But hey, maybe I am messing up the conspiracy theory now?

Um. He's had the data for years. Power meter data + weight is all you need.

This is a smoke screen. PR puffery. That machine he was connected to via the mouth spits the data out instantly. On the fly. It's a machine. There's no analysis necessary.

Speaking from experience.

And "analysis" was the same term used for
Henao's 6 (8?) week research to explain anomalous values
Rob Hayles 2 week research to explain an anomalous Hct value

Completely unnecessary.

But hey, maybe swallowing what ever Team Sky spit at you helps you feel good about yourself?

 

[poupou]

The other point of that testing is to say: "you don't need the 2011 results because you have the updated 2015 version!"

 

[TourOfSardinia]

I wouldn't like to be in spitting distance of those results.

But the 2011 ones, now that would be mouth watering.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Re:

Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

ERRRRR .......HOW MUCH WEIGHT HAS HE PILED ON FOR THAT ?? !!!!

- I thought it was a 'send up' !! he must have put on 5kgs - look at the size of his arms

 

[Texeng]

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So, now that Froome is confirmed for the Vuelta...what does he do? Back off a little and appear more "human"?

I'm thinking that someone else other than him is going to win in an effort to say "Hey, he didn't win the Vuelta...he's only human! We're cleans...move along!"

Exactly how I see it. They and their psycho fans are so desperate to push the - oh look, he didn't win every stage of the race, he actually only finished top 5 on some of them - we never saw that in the doped era.

I would think anyone that has to train as hard as these guys do (regardless of whether they are Sky or not/doping or not) is going to do their best to win. Throwing a race after all that work doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[danielovichdk2]

Did he release this yet ?

1. Pre 2011 data along with his '11, '12, '13, '14 and '15 data.
2. All medical records for his Bilhazia disease.

Oh..he didn't.

Whatever with the tests then...

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Given the Henao altitude study SKY will need a few years to go over 'the numbers', at best.

I am only interested in these figures if the pre - Vuelta and pre - SKY figures get released: no chance in that happening.

 

[HelmutRoole]

Re: Re:

So, now that Froome is confirmed for the Vuelta...what does he do? Back off a little and appear more "human"?

I'm thinking that someone else other than him is going to win in an effort to say "Hey, he didn't win the Vuelta...he's only human! We're cleans...move along!"

Exactly how I see it. They and their psycho fans are so desperate to push the - oh look, he didn't win every stage of the race, he actually only finished top 5 on some of them - we never saw that in the doped era.

Same here. They're not going to make the same greedy mistakes Armstrong et al did. It'll be a coming out party for a Sky rider. Froome will gleefully shake his head in bonerific adulation and say something like, "I'm going to have to watch out for him come July." And come July, business as usual.

 

[cantpedal]

Re: Re:

Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

Im not a froome fan but this is pretty big news. Is there no one here that cares about this. People have been crying and moaning in here since the toiur that he still hadn't done it. Now its been done, SILENCE, not a **** word out of anyone!

Surely we should first wait and look at the data he releases?

1 thing I am sure about, is that it'll be a **** storm either way. If the numbers are alien, well that's dodgy, if the numbers are human, they don't match with his performances = dodgy

be careful common sense will get you thrown out of the clinic

 

[No_Balls]

Re: Re:

Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

ERRRRR .......HOW MUCH WEIGHT HAS HE PILED ON FOR THAT ?? !!!!

- I thought it was a 'send up' !! he must have put on 5kgs - look at the size of his arms

Time to kick off some clean numbers. The benefit of controlling the narrative is that you can rack out non-alien numbers in public when things doesnt matter. And come out clean mind you.

Human figures here and a low-key Vuelta could give carthe blanche for something highly extraterrestre in shall we say next July.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

Per his twitter feed, the physiological testing is occuring today. Short video clip posted.

https://twitter.com/chrisfroome/status/633278404738031616

ERRRRR .......HOW MUCH WEIGHT HAS HE PILED ON FOR THAT ?? !!!!

- I thought it was a 'send up' !! he must have put on 5kgs - look at the size of his arms

Time to kick off some clean numbers. The benefit of controlling the narrative is that you can rack out non-alien numbers in public when things doesnt matter. And come out clean mind you.

Human figures here and a low-key Vuelta could give carthe blanche for something highly extraterrestre in shall we say next July.

This is the perfect time for Sky to do this, for two reasons.

Froome's numbers will still be high due to super compensation, as mentioned earlier, but the weight will be higher thanks to the recovery period. This gives the required outright power, but dilutes the power to weight ratio.

It also gives some baseline figures heading in to Froome's Vuelta preparation, which will be used to gauge the effectiveness of his training.

 

[doperhopper]

Does anyone understand what the heck this VroomTest at Glaxo is supposed to "prove"? Imagine Uniballer doing the same - they would produce any number they want, no problem to go as low as needed (and if it looks incompatible with wattage from Tour estimates, then "fatigue" argument covers it all). Or do they want to prove Vroome can do even more than he already showed?

 

[42x16ss]

Re:

Does anyone understand what the heck this VroomTest at Glaxo is supposed to "prove"? Imagine Uniballer doing the same - they would produce any number they want, no problem to go as low as needed (and if it looks incompatible with wattage from Tour estimates, then "fatigue" argument covers it all). Or do they want to prove Vroome can do even more than he already showed?

They want to prove that their fans will swallow what they're fed. Check the Skyborg a page back telling us how we've been put in our place - before a single shred of data is released

 

[Texeng]

Re:

Does anyone understand what the heck this VroomTest at Glaxo is supposed to "prove"? Imagine Uniballer doing the same - they would produce any number they want, no problem to go as low as needed (and if it looks incompatible with wattage from Tour estimates, then "fatigue" argument covers it all). Or do they want to prove Vroome can do even more than he already showed?

It could be a secret plan by Murdoch and Co to give the Clinic a new conspiracy to unravel

 

[biokemguy]

Anyone notice that he's doing the testing at GSK the developers of GW1516?

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

according to forbes magazine

gsk is ranked 98 out of 100 in the worlds most reputable companies in 2015

there are some seriously dodgy outfits well ahead of them on that list
http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2015/04/21/the-worlds-most-reputable-companies-in-2015/2/

 

[Jimsnchz]

Other than a crooked sign that reads Human Performance how do people know this is GSK? I would expect more lab stuff. Why have a water bottle? I had more stuff hooked up to me for a bike fitting.

 

[Savant12]

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Other than a crooked sign that reads Human Performance how do people know this is GSK? I would expect more lab stuff. Why have a water bottle? I had more stuff hooked up to me for a bike fitting.

How do we know that's Chris Froome? Maybe, it's a body double or lookalike. Maybe, it's filmed at Sky HQ on a green screen.

 

[Farcanal]

Re: Re:

Does anyone understand what the heck this VroomTest at Glaxo is supposed to "prove"? Imagine Uniballer doing the same - they would produce any number they want, no problem to go as low as needed (and if it looks incompatible with wattage from Tour estimates, then "fatigue" argument covers it all). Or do they want to prove Vroome can do even more than he already showed?

It could be a secret plan by Murdoch and Co to give the Clinic a new conspiracy to unravel

I can't understand for one second why he's bothering with all this. A complete waste of time and money. No matter what is released, whether it's this data, old data, old toe nail clippings whatever, the haters are gonna keep hating. Anything that shows they might be wrong will be flawed, incomplete or corrupted by money in their opinion. There is no reason or factual information in their argument and any data, is and will be just trawled through to find the most miniscule inconsistency which will assist their bile to keep flowing.

I would just say 'scr3w you lot, you catch me' then let all the half baked scientists argue, speculate and write what they want. After all, the fuss during the Tour got Froome and Sky much more publicity than just the win on its own, and not all negative. That's what pro cycling is about, expensive billboards, so work with it.

 

[BeagRigh]

Re:

according to forbes magazine

gsk is ranked 98 out of 100 in the worlds most reputable companies in 2015

there are some seriously dodgy outfits well ahead of them on that list
http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2015/04/21/the-worlds-most-reputable-companies-in-2015/2/

Google and Apple in the top 10 and Amazon in the top 25 tells you all you need to know about that list.