Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Tonton]

Folks, please bring arguments to the table, agree to disagree. The tone of these exchanges is getting toxic, and unacceptable per forum rules. Thank you .

If you see an inappropriate post, report it. Don't answer it. Please.

 

[Night Rider]

Does anyone remember and have access to the screenshots from the message board / forum Cound used to post on during the Lance era? They surfaced sometime around the Wiggins / Froome (first) wins.

I'm pretty sure they were posted here at the time or could have been velorooms. Basically Cound talking her usual potty mouth stuff about anyone saying Lance was a doper. Got exposed then she went and changed the username and deleted the posts. Someone screen grabbed the originals though.

 

[pastronef]

Velon website to showing live data fron London Surrey Classic

Froome´s data were available until a few minutes ago. not now

Velon will have a record click number for its pages today

everybody there to see Dawgs heart rate

 

[gooner]

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Matthew Syed's a "member of the FA’s High Performance Committee alongside Sir Dave Brailsford". Conflict of interest.

The FA approached multiple people across different sports. Stuart Lancaster too if I'm not mistaken. How is this a conflict of interest when they would have accepted this role on their own.

Syed has long believed in Sky before taking this role. The FA have nothing to do with Sky. There's enough things to criticise Syed on than to just make things up.

 

[Benotti69]

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Matthew Syed's a "member of the FA’s High Performance Committee alongside Sir Dave Brailsford". Conflict of interest.

The FA approached multiple people across different sports. Stuart Lancaster too if I'm not mistaken. How is this a conflict of interest when they would have accepted this role on their own.

Syed has long believed in Sky before taking this role. The FA have nothing to do with Sky. There's enough things to criticise Syed on than to just make things up.

Are you claiming that Syed is not a member of the FA’s High Performance Committee?

Syed has done nothing of note as sportsperson. Why would the FA want him on the High Performance Committee?

 

[42x16ss]

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Thats a first, so now Hinault was disliked?

Evreyone loved Hinault. :Loved Kelly. Fignon was somewhat controversial.

Hinault was respected by the peloton when riding, but not really liked until he retired and mellowed out a bit. Even the likes of Lemond and Phil Anderson get along well with him now

 

[gooner]

Re: Re:

Matthew Syed's a "member of the FA’s High Performance Committee alongside Sir Dave Brailsford". Conflict of interest.

The FA approached multiple people across different sports. Stuart Lancaster too if I'm not mistaken. How is this a conflict of interest when they would have accepted this role on their own.

Syed has long believed in Sky before taking this role. The FA have nothing to do with Sky. There's enough things to criticise Syed on than to just make things up.

Are you claiming that Syed is not a member of the FA’s High Performance Committee?

Syed has done nothing of note as sportsperson. Why would the FA want him on the High Performance Committee?

Yes he is and secondly ask them. I don't know. It wasn't Sky or Brailsford that hired him for this. As I said in the football thread a few weeks back, Stuart Lancaster and Graham Le Saux were also approached. Having checked now I see that Baroness Campbell is on it. This is the FA's initiative and it was up to each individual to accept. It's not a conflict of interests with Sky. Syed accepting this has nothing to do with Sky. If so then what about the other individuals? You're looking for something that's not there.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Matthew Syed's a "member of the FA’s High Performance Committee alongside Sir Dave Brailsford". Conflict of interest.

The FA approached multiple people across different sports. Stuart Lancaster too if I'm not mistaken. How is this a conflict of interest when they would have accepted this role on their own.

Syed has long believed in Sky before taking this role. The FA have nothing to do with Sky. There's enough things to criticise Syed on than to just make things up.

Are you claiming that Syed is not a member of the FA’s High Performance Committee?

Syed has done nothing of note as sportsperson. Why would the FA want him on the High Performance Committee?

Yes he is and secondly ask them. I don't know. It wasn't Sky or Brailsford that hired him for this. As I said in the football thread a few weeks back, Stuart Lancaster and Graham Le Saux were also approached. Having checked now I see that Baroness Campbell is on it. This is the FA's initiative and it was up to each individual to accept. It's not a conflict of interests with Sky. Syed accepting this has nothing to do with Sky. If so then what about the other individuals? You're looking for something that's not there.

Syed writes for the times, which is linked to Sky. End of.

Lancaster was a successful player. Le Suax played football and is recognised as a 'Football thinker'. Syed is a table tennis player that amounted to little as a player on the international stage. How does such a person get on the High Performance Committee? Nepotism.

 

[gooner]

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Syed writes for the times, which is linked to Sky. End of.

You didn't refer to that. You mentioned the FA.

Lancaster was a successful player. Le Suax played football and is recognised as a 'Football thinker'. Syed is a table tennis player that amounted to little as a player on the international stage. How does such a person get on the High Performance Committee? Nepotism.

Again, I don't know why the FA hired him. You don't either. For all I know they buy into his Black Box Thinking stuff. I also don't see what the others have to offer either when there is plenty of football expertise out there that can be called upon.

Syed has been highly critical too in the past of the FA and the coaching structures in England.

I still don't know what this has to do with Sky.

 

[sniper]

it's a coi for syed. As a journalist he needs to stay clear of such commitments. It compromises his independence.
the ethical standards have sunk so low these days, that it's easy to see this one through the fingers. But we shouldn't.

imo it's further evidence that sky's principal cheerleaders are frauds.
Walsh doing gigs on cruises, syed surfing the waves of nepotism, Swart celebrating pseudoscience.
What's next.

 

[gooner]

You can say it's a conflict of interests with him writing on football and then having his role with the FA. Nothing to do with Sky.

Martin Glenn and the FA board decided who the people were for this role.

 

[Bronstein]

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Does anyone remember and have access to the screenshots from the message board / forum Cound used to post on during the Lance era? They surfaced sometime around the Wiggins / Froome (first) wins.

I'm pretty sure they were posted here at the time or could have been velorooms. Basically Cound talking her usual potty mouth stuff about anyone saying Lance was a doper. Got exposed then she went and changed the username and deleted the posts. Someone screen grabbed the originals though.

Here's one - https://twitter.com/vamosalberto/status/511546584061181952.

 

[gooner]

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...while hardly desirable it's hardly a conflict of interests...it may come as a shock

but journalists..are doing their jobs....they are not duty bound to write in any given way...

Mark L

True, and even at that, he has been critical of the FA in the past. Still has nothing to do with Sky.

This is the same old looking for a story that isn't there. Entirely expected.

 

[thehog]

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You can say it's a conflict of interests with him writing on football and then having his role with the FA. Nothing to do with Sky.

Martin Glenn and the FA board decided who the people were for this role.

I agree with you, it's not a conflict of interest, either perceived or otherwise, being appointed to a committee which a Sky employee sits on raises no issues.

Walsh writing Froome's autobiography (for payment) then writing pro Froome in the Times is a COI.

Syed's conflict would be his books which he incorporates the marginal gains hypothesis & then writing pro Sky articles which use the same premise in the Times. That is a clear COI.

 

[thehog]

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but journalists..are doing their jobs....they are not duty bound to write in any given way...

Mark L

Well, this is not true. Journalists are bound to their management, company and board. They are not free to write whatever they want. This is why journalists dislike bloggers, as bloggers have the freedom to write without the influence of corporate.

 

[thehog]

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doing their jobs.

Well, this is not true. Journalists are bound to their management, company and board. They are not free to write whatever they want. This is why journalists dislike bloggers, as bloggers have the freedom to write without the influence of corporate.

not true?.....it's exactly as i stated.....doing their jobs.......

Mark L

Journalist are duty bound to their management, company and board, yes they will write in a certain way. That is obvious. One only needs to follow the manner in which Birtish papers follow their political affiliations. The Brexit vote and the Sun newspaper being an obvious example supporting the leave campaign.

 

[Benotti69]

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...while hardly desirable it's hardly a conflict of interests...it may come as a shock

but journalists..are doing their jobs....they are not duty bound to write in any given way...

Mark L

If journalism means become a pr stooge, then they are doing their jobs.

Working alongside Brailsford on a High profile committee is a conflict of interest as is being paid by Murdoch to write about a Murdoch sponsored team.

 

[Benotti69]

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doing their jobs.

Well, this is not true. Journalists are bound to their management, company and board. They are not free to write whatever they want. This is why journalists dislike bloggers, as bloggers have the freedom to write without the influence of corporate.

not true?.....it's exactly as i stated.....doing their jobs.......

Mark L

Journalists working for Murdoch are not free to write what they want. The Leveson Inquiry proved that.

 

[gooner]

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...while hardly desirable it's hardly a conflict of interests...it may come as a shock

but journalists..are doing their jobs....they are not duty bound to write in any given way...

Mark L

If journalism means become a pr stooge, then they are doing their jobs.

Working alongside Brailsford on a High profile committee is a conflict of interest as is being paid by Murdoch to write about a Murdoch sponsored team.

The FA hired him. Explain Syed's criticism of the FA then.

If Syed on the other hand was critical of Sky, would this have affected him getting this role. None of that had any bearing on this. The FA actually buy into his Black Box Thinking stuff.

This is typical of the FA and their image conscious nature, trying to look super professional and portray themselves as a forward thinking organisation after the shambles of the Euros.

 

[gooner]

Re: Re:

doing their jobs.

Well, this is not true. Journalists are bound to their management, company and board. They are not free to write whatever they want. This is why journalists dislike bloggers, as bloggers have the freedom to write without the influence of corporate.

not true?.....it's exactly as i stated.....doing their jobs.......

Mark L

Journalists working for Murdoch are not free to write what they want. The Leveson Inquiry proved that.

That's why I take no notice here of the journos who say this about Sky/Times/Murdoch when they're no different themselves about writing about corrupt Denis O'Brien and the FAI using him to pay O'Neill's wages. You wouldn't hear a sound about them over that.

 

[kwikki]

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Thats a first, so now Hinault was disliked?

Evreyone loved Hinault. :Loved Kelly. Fignon was somewhat controversial.

Not according to my mate who worked on the professional circuit in the 80s. What 48x16 and FMK say pretty much accords with what he has told me. Respected, because you had to respect his abilities, but largely disliked.

I wouldn't hold that against him too much. From what I've heard quite a few of the top guys were pretty difficult people to be around.

 

[kwikki]

I think in so far as journalists can actually have COIs then Syed and Walsh have them simply by writing team pr for a team owned by their employers. It really is that simple.

Still think Syed has one legitimate point. There are enough rival news agencies to Sky to make it worthwhile for somebody to leak.

With regards to journalists being too scared to write against Sky......err.......Walsh? He's still alive and breathing and seems to have picked up a great gig off the back of chasing Armstrong.

 

[kwikki]

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With regards to the point about regimes, it's an analogy.

It was a silly analogy, insultive to the people that suffered and suffer through totalitarian regimes.

Sorry, I've been in prison for three days so couldn't reply.

I think you are trying to make a cheap point. If you actually go to any totalitarian regimes (and I have spent months in quite a few) you very quickly realise that they are the most corrupt places on earth and apart from a few dispossessed minorities pretty much everyone else is in on it....because they have to be. That is how these places function.

With regards to it as an analogy of pro cycling I think it fits nicely, and I think you will find many of the most sceptical posters on here agreeing with me.

 

[Benotti69]

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I think in so far as journalists can actually have COIs then Syed and Walsh have them simply by writing team pr for a team owned by their employers. It really is that simple.

Still think Syed has one legitimate point. There are enough rival news agencies to Sky to make it worthwhile for somebody to leak.

With regards to journalists being too scared to write against Sky......err.......Walsh? He's still alive and breathing and seems to have picked up a great gig off the back of chasing Armstrong.

Death threats, bullying, ostracisation etc towards whistleblowers have made it worthwhile?

Whislteblowing has been discussed and debunked.

Please list those whislteblowers who have benefitted greatly from their actions.

 

[kwikki]

That isn't what I said. Somebody can leak anonymously to a journalist. It happens all the time.