Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[pastronef]

You do all realise that the crazy people on Bikeradar think that people in the Clinic are crazy :lol:

and the clinic think the bikeradar people are crazy.
it nullifies each other. no use in wanting to make each other change their mind.
I know the Clinic must tell the world the Clinic is right and the rest is wrong and crazy. the bikeradar users, from the comments I´ve seen on here, won´t change their minds, as the Clinic user won´t either.

 

[rick james]

You do all realise that the crazy people on Bikeradar think that people in the Clinic are crazy :lol:

Go on, ask what people think of bikeradar in the clinic :surprised:

 

[brownbobby]

You do all realise that the crazy people on Bikeradar think that people in the Clinic are crazy :lol:

and the clinic think the bikeradar people are crazy.
it nullifies each other. no use in wanting to make each other change their mind.
I know the Clinic must tell the world the Clinic is right and the rest is wrong and crazy. the bikeradar users, from the comments I´ve seen on here, won´t change their minds, as the Clinic user won´t either.

Yeah that was kind of the light hearted point I was making!

 

[Rollthedice]

Lappartient speaks again:

https://m.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/David-lappartient-souhaite-que-sky-suspende-chris-froome-a-titre-provisoire/868106

"Sky should suspend Froome. Now, it's not for me to interfere. Without predicting the guilt of the rider, it would be easier for everyone. It's up to Brailsford (his manager) to take responsibility. I think that's what other riders want. They are tired of the general image conveyed. "

"In any case, it is up to Froome to demonstrate the reasons which may have led to such a concentration of salbutamol, the burden of proof being on him to build his file. From there, the Legal Anti-Doping Services (LADS) of the UCI will see if its arguments are admissible. If this is not the case, a sanction that may be two years will be proposed. If he does not accept it, we will go to the UCI Anti-Doping Tribunal."

 

[Poursuivant]

Re:

Lappartient speaks again:

https://m.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/David-lappartient-souhaite-que-sky-suspende-chris-froome-a-titre-provisoire/868106

"Sky should suspend Froome. Now, it's not for me to interfere. Without predicting the guilt of the rider, it would be easier for everyone. It's up to Brailsford (his manager) to take responsibility. I think that's what other riders want. They are tired of the general image conveyed. "

"In any case, it is up to Froome to demonstrate the reasons which may have led to such a concentration of salbutamol, the burden of proof being on him to build his file. From there, the Legal Anti-Doping Services (LADS) of the UCI will see if its arguments are admissible. If this is not the case, a sanction that may be two years will be proposed. If he does not accept it, we will go to the UCI Anti-Doping Tribunal."

Maybe they have suspended him, he hasn't raced, I don't even think he has announced his first race of the season yet has he?

 

[red_flanders]

You do all realise that the crazy people on Bikeradar think that people in the Clinic are crazy :lol:

Of course!

Except over the years, the clinic has been proven right again, and again, and again, and again.

BikeRadar not so much. I'd be concerned if they didn't think we're crazy.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Thumbs up to David Lappartient
& ClassicomanoLuigi

 

[CTQ]

and yesterday he said that : Lappartient added that Froome had not been given any special treatment by being allowed to continue to compete while the case is ongoing, saying that forcing Froome to suspend himself would go against their own regulations. Although, he added that it would have made things easier if Team Sky were part of the MPCC, which requires teams to suspend any riders under investigation.

"It is important to uphold the rights of the rider," Lappartient said. "There is no special treatment for him, even if some riders claim that. Salbutamol is one of the drugs allowed in a limited dose. An immediate suspension would conflict with the rules in force

if he isn’t happy with the rules , change the rules ..................

 

[Robert5091]

J'accuse! (that's about all the French I know )

 

[Alpe73]

Re:

and yesterday he said that : Lappartient added that Froome had not been given any special treatment by being allowed to continue to compete while the case is ongoing, saying that forcing Froome to suspend himself would go against their own regulations. Although, he added that it would have made things easier if Team Sky were part of the MPCC, which requires teams to suspend any riders under investigation.

"It is important to uphold the rights of the rider," Lappartient said. "There is no special treatment for him, even if some riders claim that. Salbutamol is one of the drugs allowed in a limited dose. An immediate suspension would conflict with the rules in force

if he isn’t happy with the rules , change the rules ..................

Good post.

Lappartient seems a bit 'nerveux' with his role in this particular case. Under the current UCI/WADA rules, he has an obligation to protect the rider's rights ... no more or no less. Don't equivocate on this fundamental principle. Bardet ... blah, blah, blah ... the French public ... blah, drama, blah.

 

[Rollthedice]

Re: Re:

and yesterday he said that : Lappartient added that Froome had not been given any special treatment by being allowed to continue to compete while the case is ongoing, saying that forcing Froome to suspend himself would go against their own regulations. Although, he added that it would have made things easier if Team Sky were part of the MPCC, which requires teams to suspend any riders under investigation.

"It is important to uphold the rights of the rider," Lappartient said. "There is no special treatment for him, even if some riders claim that. Salbutamol is one of the drugs allowed in a limited dose. An immediate suspension would conflict with the rules in force

if he isn’t happy with the rules , change the rules ..................

Good post.

Lappartient seems a bit 'nerveux' with his role in this particular case. Under the current UCI/WADA rules, he has an obligation to protect the rider's rights ... no more or no less. Don't equivocate on this fundamental principle. Bardet ... blah, blah, blah ... the French public ... blah, drama, blah.

Every team has a code of conduct and ethics. The most advanced, zero tolerance, marginal ultra gains team in the world Sky should have one unless it's lost together with Freeman's laptop. They received the AAF and so did that lady from BC who didn't like the leak of Froome's salbutamol abuse. The first step Brailsford should've done, after receiving the confirmation of the B sample was to suspend the rider until the affair is over. A nice press statement, saying they believe Froome is innocent would've been the normal way of dealing with this. Nobody leaked Ulissi's positive, upon notification of the AAF, Lampre, based on their code of ethics suspended the rider. That's how the cycling world found out about Ulissi's salbutamol case and that is how even the dirtiest teams operate. But Brailsfraud thinks he invented cycling and all the brits including one white Kenyan can do whatever they like, something that they pretty much did during Crookson's time at UCI. Basically Sky are telling the whole cycling community f*** y** all. Now this is something that makes a lot of people really angry, especially the French and the Italians.

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

Lappartient speaks again:

https://m.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/David-lappartient-souhaite-que-sky-suspende-chris-froome-a-titre-provisoire/868106

"Sky should suspend Froome. Now, it's not for me to interfere. Without predicting the guilt of the rider, it would be easier for everyone. It's up to Brailsford (his manager) to take responsibility. I think that's what other riders want. They are tired of the general image conveyed. "

"In any case, it is up to Froome to demonstrate the reasons which may have led to such a concentration of salbutamol, the burden of proof being on him to build his file. From there, the Legal Anti-Doping Services (LADS) of the UCI will see if its arguments are admissible. If this is not the case, a sanction that may be two years will be proposed. If he does not accept it, we will go to the UCI Anti-Doping Tribunal."

Feels like a Cookson-like response. This case has highlighted a number of failings within the procedures following an AAF. It seems there's no time-limit for Froome to address this, no requirement for his team to suspend him, I'm sure people can think of others. It would be great if he were to address these issues rather than effectively say "I'm doing nothing but waiting".

 

[Parker]

Re: Re:

Every team has a code of conduct and ethics. The most advanced, zero tolerance, marginal ultra gains team in the world Sky should have one unless it's lost together with Freeman's laptop. They received the AAF and so did that lady from BC who didn't like the leak of Froome's salbutamol abuse. The first step Brailsford should've done, after receiving the confirmation of the B sample was to suspend the rider until the affair is over. A nice press statement, saying they believe Froome is innocent would've been the normal way of dealing with this. Nobody leaked Ulissi's positive, upon notification of the AAF, Lampre, based on their code of ethics suspended the rider. That's how the cycling world found out about Ulissi's salbutamol case and that is how even the dirtiest teams operate. But Brailsfraud thinks he invented cycling and all the brits including one white Kenyan can do whatever they like, something that they pretty much did during Crookson's time at UCI. Basically Sky are telling the whole cycling community f*** y** all. Now this is something that makes a lot of people really angry, especially the French and the Italians.

Froome hasn't done a single race for Sky since they knew the results of the tests. So nothing would have been any different whether they had suspended him or not.

If he actually starts a race then maybe that's a time to complain about it. Until then it makes no difference.

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Re:

Every team has a code of conduct and ethics. The most advanced, zero tolerance, marginal ultra gains team in the world Sky should have one unless it's lost together with Freeman's laptop. They received the AAF and so did that lady from BC who didn't like the leak of Froome's salbutamol abuse. The first step Brailsford should've done, after receiving the confirmation of the B sample was to suspend the rider until the affair is over. A nice press statement, saying they believe Froome is innocent would've been the normal way of dealing with this. Nobody leaked Ulissi's positive, upon notification of the AAF, Lampre, based on their code of ethics suspended the rider. That's how the cycling world found out about Ulissi's salbutamol case and that is how even the dirtiest teams operate. But Brailsfraud thinks he invented cycling and all the brits including one white Kenyan can do whatever they like, something that they pretty much did during Crookson's time at UCI. Basically Sky are telling the whole cycling community f*** y** all. Now this is something that makes a lot of people really angry, especially the French and the Italians.

Froome hasn't done a single race for Sky since they knew the results of the tests. So nothing would have been any different whether they had suspended him or not.

which is why it may have been prudent to take the hit now, to be redeemed off actual suspension....

 

[Parker]

Re: Re:

Every team has a code of conduct and ethics. The most advanced, zero tolerance, marginal ultra gains team in the world Sky should have one unless it's lost together with Freeman's laptop. They received the AAF and so did that lady from BC who didn't like the leak of Froome's salbutamol abuse. The first step Brailsford should've done, after receiving the confirmation of the B sample was to suspend the rider until the affair is over. A nice press statement, saying they believe Froome is innocent would've been the normal way of dealing with this. Nobody leaked Ulissi's positive, upon notification of the AAF, Lampre, based on their code of ethics suspended the rider. That's how the cycling world found out about Ulissi's salbutamol case and that is how even the dirtiest teams operate. But Brailsfraud thinks he invented cycling and all the brits including one white Kenyan can do whatever they like, something that they pretty much did during Crookson's time at UCI. Basically Sky are telling the whole cycling community f*** y** all. Now this is something that makes a lot of people really angry, especially the French and the Italians.

Froome hasn't done a single race for Sky since they knew the results of the tests. So nothing would have been any different whether they had suspended him or not.

which is why it may have been prudent to take the hit now, to be redeemed off actual suspension....

As long as he isn't competing that period can be redeemed. There's no need to make a big show of it.

 

[brownbobby]

Re: Re:

and yesterday he said that : Lappartient added that Froome had not been given any special treatment by being allowed to continue to compete while the case is ongoing, saying that forcing Froome to suspend himself would go against their own regulations. Although, he added that it would have made things easier if Team Sky were part of the MPCC, which requires teams to suspend any riders under investigation.

"It is important to uphold the rights of the rider," Lappartient said. "There is no special treatment for him, even if some riders claim that. Salbutamol is one of the drugs allowed in a limited dose. An immediate suspension would conflict with the rules in force

if he isn’t happy with the rules , change the rules ..................

Good post.

Lappartient seems a bit 'nerveux' with his role in this particular case. Under the current UCI/WADA rules, he has an obligation to protect the rider's rights ... no more or no less. Don't equivocate on this fundamental principle. Bardet ... blah, blah, blah ... the French public ... blah, drama, blah.

Every team has a code of conduct and ethics. The most advanced, zero tolerance, marginal ultra gains team in the world Sky should have one unless it's lost together with Freeman's laptop. They received the AAF and so did that lady from BC who didn't like the leak of Froome's salbutamol abuse. The first step Brailsford should've done, after receiving the confirmation of the B sample was to suspend the rider until the affair is over. A nice press statement, saying they believe Froome is innocent would've been the normal way of dealing with this. Nobody leaked Ulissi's positive, upon notification of the AAF, Lampre, based on their code of ethics suspended the rider. That's how the cycling world found out about Ulissi's salbutamol case and that is how even the dirtiest teams operate. But Brailsfraud thinks he invented cycling and all the brits including one white Kenyan can do whatever they like, something that they pretty much did during Crookson's time at UCI. Basically Sky are telling the whole cycling community f*** y** all. Now this is something that makes a lot of people really angry, especially the French and the Italians.

Referring specifically to the decision not to suspend Froome, he's doing what the rules say he is allowed to do, nothing more. Your anti British rant is not warranted and suggests xenophobic prejudice; Dave Brailsford represents Team Sky (and formerly British Cycling), whatever you may like to think, this is not 'all the Brits'.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

Every team has a code of conduct and ethics. The most advanced, zero tolerance, marginal ultra gains team in the world Sky should have one unless it's lost together with Freeman's laptop. They received the AAF and so did that lady from BC who didn't like the leak of Froome's salbutamol abuse. The first step Brailsford should've done, after receiving the confirmation of the B sample was to suspend the rider until the affair is over. A nice press statement, saying they believe Froome is innocent would've been the normal way of dealing with this. Nobody leaked Ulissi's positive, upon notification of the AAF, Lampre, based on their code of ethics suspended the rider. That's how the cycling world found out about Ulissi's salbutamol case and that is how even the dirtiest teams operate. But Brailsfraud thinks he invented cycling and all the brits including one white Kenyan can do whatever they like, something that they pretty much did during Crookson's time at UCI. Basically Sky are telling the whole cycling community f*** y** all. Now this is something that makes a lot of people really angry, especially the French and the Italians.

Froome hasn't done a single race for Sky since they knew the results of the tests. So nothing would have been any different whether they had suspended him or not.

If he actually starts a race then maybe that's a time to complain about it. Until then it makes no difference.

Except for the World TTT, World ITT & signed onto the Giro for €1.5m

 

[veganrob]

Re: Re:

Every team has a code of conduct and ethics. The most advanced, zero tolerance, marginal ultra gains team in the world Sky should have one unless it's lost together with Freeman's laptop. They received the AAF and so did that lady from BC who didn't like the leak of Froome's salbutamol abuse. The first step Brailsford should've done, after receiving the confirmation of the B sample was to suspend the rider until the affair is over. A nice press statement, saying they believe Froome is innocent would've been the normal way of dealing with this. Nobody leaked Ulissi's positive, upon notification of the AAF, Lampre, based on their code of ethics suspended the rider. That's how the cycling world found out about Ulissi's salbutamol case and that is how even the dirtiest teams operate. But Brailsfraud thinks he invented cycling and all the brits including one white Kenyan can do whatever they like, something that they pretty much did during Crookson's time at UCI. Basically Sky are telling the whole cycling community f*** y** all. Now this is something that makes a lot of people really angry, especially the French and the Italians.

Froome hasn't done a single race for Sky since they knew the results of the tests. So nothing would have been any different whether they had suspended him or not.

which is why it may have been prudent to take the hit now, to be redeemed off actual suspension....

As long as he isn't competing that period can be redeemed. There's no need to make a big show of it.

The way it looks is everything, and it is Froome that is making the big show of it

 

[Parker]

Re: Re:

Every team has a code of conduct and ethics. The most advanced, zero tolerance, marginal ultra gains team in the world Sky should have one unless it's lost together with Freeman's laptop. They received the AAF and so did that lady from BC who didn't like the leak of Froome's salbutamol abuse. The first step Brailsford should've done, after receiving the confirmation of the B sample was to suspend the rider until the affair is over. A nice press statement, saying they believe Froome is innocent would've been the normal way of dealing with this. Nobody leaked Ulissi's positive, upon notification of the AAF, Lampre, based on their code of ethics suspended the rider. That's how the cycling world found out about Ulissi's salbutamol case and that is how even the dirtiest teams operate. But Brailsfraud thinks he invented cycling and all the brits including one white Kenyan can do whatever they like, something that they pretty much did during Crookson's time at UCI. Basically Sky are telling the whole cycling community f*** y** all. Now this is something that makes a lot of people really angry, especially the French and the Italians.

Froome hasn't done a single race for Sky since they knew the results of the tests. So nothing would have been any different whether they had suspended him or not.

If he actually starts a race then maybe that's a time to complain about it. Until then it makes no difference.

Except for the World TTT, World ITT & signed onto the Giro for €1.5m

He was told about the test after the World TTT, the World ITT he wasn't riding for Sky and the Giro hasn't happened yet.

 

[Robert5091]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...-fromme-over-doping-allegations-uci-president

But the Guardian understands Team Sky will still enter Froome for the Giro d’Italia and this year’s Tour de France as planned unless any anti-doping rule violation is brought against the 32-year-old before then.

 

[Rollthedice]

It's not about him actually not racing because there are no races or whatever his schedule is for preparation of Giro. Some don't want to understand.

For all we know Froome wants to start the Giro with or without a final decision in his case because nobody can suspend him apart from Sky or himself. It's not me to tell you how disrespectful and unsportsmanlike this is in relation with the organizers, the fellow riders with whom he'll fight for the win and the cycling movement.

If he fails to prove his innocence at LADS, a process that is already taking months, he'll be handed suspension in the form of "an acceptance of consequences". He will not accept it because, remember, he's innocent. The case goes then to the Anti doping Tribunal, another month? He is again convicted or maybe exonerated. He, or the UCI or WADA will go to CAS. Here we are talking about many months. During all this time he races and maybe even wins just to be possibly stripped of all his titles. How do you think all those riders who finished second will feel? What about the organizers? How is that a proper and ethical behavior I really don't understand.

 

[Wiggo's Package]

Re:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...-fromme-over-doping-allegations-uci-president

But the Guardian understands Team Sky will still enter Froome for the Giro d’Italia and this year’s Tour de France as planned unless any anti-doping rule violation is brought against the 32-year-old before then.

So Froome's gonna blithely keep racing while dragging out the legal process on his AAF

2018 is going to be an epic car crash for pro cycling

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

Every team has a code of conduct and ethics. The most advanced, zero tolerance, marginal ultra gains team in the world Sky should have one unless it's lost together with Freeman's laptop. They received the AAF and so did that lady from BC who didn't like the leak of Froome's salbutamol abuse. The first step Brailsford should've done, after receiving the confirmation of the B sample was to suspend the rider until the affair is over. A nice press statement, saying they believe Froome is innocent would've been the normal way of dealing with this. Nobody leaked Ulissi's positive, upon notification of the AAF, Lampre, based on their code of ethics suspended the rider. That's how the cycling world found out about Ulissi's salbutamol case and that is how even the dirtiest teams operate. But Brailsfraud thinks he invented cycling and all the brits including one white Kenyan can do whatever they like, something that they pretty much did during Crookson's time at UCI. Basically Sky are telling the whole cycling community f*** y** all. Now this is something that makes a lot of people really angry, especially the French and the Italians.

Froome hasn't done a single race for Sky since they knew the results of the tests. So nothing would have been any different whether they had suspended him or not.

If he actually starts a race then maybe that's a time to complain about it. Until then it makes no difference.

Except for the World TTT, World ITT & signed onto the Giro for €1.5m

He was told about the test after the World TTT, the World ITT he wasn't riding for Sky and the Giro hasn't happened yet.

He was told before the ITT and still rode. Statement came from Sky.

In a statement Team Sky said Froome received the notification of the adverse analytical finding from the UCI on 20 September, prior to the individual time trial event at the world championships.

 

[Parker]

Re:

It's not about him actually not racing because there are no races or whatever his schedule is for preparation of Giro. Some don't want to understand.

For all we know Froome wants to start the Giro with or without a final decision in his case because nobody can suspend him apart from Sky or himself. It's not me to tell you how disrespectful and unsportsmanlike this is in relation with the organizers, the fellow riders with whom he'll fight for the win and the cycling movement.

If he fails to prove his innocence at LADS, a process that is already taking months, he'll be handed suspension in the form of "an acceptance of consequences". He will not accept it because, remember, he's innocent. The case goes then to the Anti doping Tribunal, another month? He is again convicted or maybe exonerated. He, or the UCI or WADA will go to CAS. Here we are talking about many months. During all this time he races and maybe even wins just to be possibly stripped of all his titles. How do you think all those riders who finished second will feel? What about the organizers? How is that a proper and ethical behavior I really don't understand.

There's a simple solution to all of this.

Just give him a six month ban backdated to the last time he raced and then he can get back to racing on March 20. Then he can appeal the whole thing to CAS and get the definitive judgement. Then everyone can just get on with it knowing future races won't be effected.

 

[Parker]

Re: Re:

He was told before the ITT and still rode. Statement came from Sky.

In a statement Team Sky said Froome received the notification of the adverse analytical finding from the UCI on 20 September, prior to the individual time trial event at the world championships.

I know. He wasn't representing Sky in the ITT